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Mariavite church

Angela, could you check my new article about Mariavite Church. I'm afraid that there could be too much mistakes. But the topic is very interesting. I hope you will be able to reach the end of it ;) Thanks in advance Slawojarek 12:10, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your corrections. Thanks to you my effort is more clear for others :) Here are the answers for your questions:

My mistake, I meant "at the turn of 19th centuries" (= around 1900) => now it's ok
yes - Capuchin monk => ok
I deleted it, I think "to spread the constant adoration of the Holy Sacrament" is enough => ok
changed for "First one with the Mariavite priest Skolimowski" => is it clear now? [Yes, Angela .]
I wasn't sure of this word, so I wanted to check it later; finally I forgot to do it :), it's "overbearing" => ok

Thanks one more time. I wish you great time in New Year! Slawojarek 20:34, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Cleanup Process

Could you explain what the section headings in Wikipedia:Cleanup mean? If something is about a week old, does that make it "newish", or "oldish", or what? Is there a system? Thanks. Onebyone 05:08, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Changing attribution for an edit

Thanks for the Intro! Okay, I have a question now: I started Russell, Ontario but I did it anonymously. I would do the thing where I go back to the computer with the IP and claim it as mine, but I did it on dial up with Dynamic IPs, meaning I probably won't ever get it again. Is there anything else I can do? Thanks! PS: You can probably tell that it's really short. I'm planning on longening-it up when I get a free minute (although I probably won't use made-up words. . . probably ;). canrocks

Hi, Yeah you said that you thought I did it from a University. . .very clever! The IP probably came from ncf.carleton.ca. My ISP is called NCF, or National Capital Freenet. It's a service (not really free) provided by Carleton University for the community. It is dial-up which uses Dynamic IPs, basically assigning an IP at random, first-come first-serve. It would be very tiring to dial up and dial up repeatedly to get the right one. Do I have any other courses of action in claiming my article? Thanks, canrocks 17:04, Jan 2, 2004 (UTC)

San Jose: Accent policy

Angela, I seem to be in an edit war with various Wikilunies regarding accents. I put them in (because they are part of a proper name) and people take them out. Is there an existing discussion on the pros and cons of accents? Is there a policy or recommendation regarding their use? Or do I just need to wear someone down in an edit war? Joelwest 19:23, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. It is about San José (and San José State), both of which under Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) seem to qualify for accents -- since the official name on government stationery, website, etc. has the accents. But this is a general issue that comes up in California and a few other states with Spanish/Mexican influence, and before I write new content (or face other edit wars) I want to know the "right" answer.

As for talking about it, yes that's the right thing to do but that assumes my editing opponent is willing to talk rather than just go ahead and mash my accents. After the first round (with SJSU) I did just that at Talk:San Jose State University, but only got a discussion from someone who agreed with me not the person who backed out my changes. Joelwest 08:27, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I've never seen San Jose spelled with an accent. The San Jose newspaper doesn't use an accent. http://www.sanjose.com/ doesn't use an accent. http://www.sanjosesharks.com/ doesn't use it. If they do it on their official websites, that's decidedly odd. Do we start putting accents on Los Angeles? RickK 16:36, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

To jump in on this, as both a San Jose resident and a SJSU alum, the city and the university are pretty much the only instutitions that use the accent, the rest of us ignore it. I believe the accent was adopted in the late 1980s or early 1990s to show off our "cultural heratige" as the oldest city in California. It is a symptom of SJ's inferiority complex. Gentgeen 22:46, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Continued at Talk:San Jose State University. Last posting there by Joelwest 06:18, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)

External links

Hi Angela. Thanks for the welcome. I've just discovered Wikipedia and I feel that I'm going to be spending a lot of time here.

Thanks for helping me be more specific in my link additions. Actually, I think you'll find myMicronesia to be one of the most comprehensive sites on the internet in the area of Micronesia, and is quite relevant to the islands of Kosrae, Chuuk, Yap, Northern Marianas and others.

Thanks again, and happy holidays.

NLucey

IRC

Are you still on #wikipedia? -- Tim Starling 16:49, Jan 2, 2004 (UTC)

It's a takeover bot. I think it was J-DoeAWAY. Basically it kicked everyone and stole their nicknames, now #wikipedia is inhabited by bots. I don't think I can do anything more about it, I'm going to bed. -- Tim Starling 17:40, Jan 2, 2004 (UTC)

Image question thanks

Thanks Angela! The offer still stands if there is any small Wiki job you think needs doing regularly which I might be able to handle anyway.Zestauferov 14:51, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

msg:disam vs msg:disambig

The ratio of the two is 647 for disambig vs. 2 for disam (PPD, River Dee which I am fixing now) according to the latest dump. I don't think it will be hard to decide between the two. disam is not even listed in the custom messages page.

Discussion at MediaWiki talk: Disam. Dori | Talk 18:14, Jan 3, 2004 (UTC)

You protected "The Wrong Version"

I hardly think you could fairly be described as "neutral" in respect of your protection of English unitary district and Unitary Authority. User:80.255

Once again, you are not only acting in a gratuitously non-neutral manner over Ross-shire, you are also protecting a version with is not in line with Wikipedia:naming conventions (places). 80.255

And had I protected the other version, I would no doubt have Morwen complaining that I protected "The Wrong Version". Please read the Wikipedia:Protection policy which clearly states that the protection of a page is in no way meant to imply support for that version. I haven't even read the pages so I have no idea whether they meet the policy or not. The aim of protecting them is just to stop an edit war not to display my biases one way or the other. As I haven't read them, how can you imply I am not neutral? For all I know it is Morwen's version going against whatever it is you think I believe in. Angela .

As the author of that text naming conventions, I can state confidently that the version that is protected is fine. The example that 80.255 quotes as justification for his assertion, only prohibits not mentioning continued geographical use, and does NOT prohibit use referring to them in the present tense. He has been told this before, and is persisting in wilfully misreading a policy he originally opposed to back up his claims. Thanks, Morwen 15:38, Jan 4, 2004 (UTC)

Great. :) Please take it to Wikipedia:Current disputes over articles. Angela . 15:46, Jan 4, 2004 (UTC)

Redirect Q

Howdy from Phoenix, Arizona. I have read some of the policy on deletions, but thought I would run this by a WikiGuru: Surfed over a redirect to Abdomen from AbdomeN. Seems petty. Is the AbdomeN page a good candidate for deletion?
Getting bolder azwaldo 21:49, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Glad I asked. Thanks, I will review the links you gave. Just finished my second article, Biochemical oxygen demand. Another item: Seems that Fecal coliform bacteria could/should redirect to E. coli. As this would be the first redirect that I edit, I am throwing up a flag. Occurs to me that after a redirect, another more learned user can undo it, so it is alright to be bold here. azwaldo

Accidental deletion

Hi

I just inadvertently deleted Irish fiction, thinking I was deleting the draft version. I tried rolling back, but got this message: Cannot revert edit; last contributor is only author of this article. What can I do? Bmills 15:47, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks: you were confused, I was relieved. My first day back and I'm a sysop. I was bound to mess things up somewhere along the line. Bmills 16:02, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I view the fact that I answered this request before you did as conclusive proof that you are not a perl script ;-). Cheers, Cyan 16:04, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Npov in IRT article

Angela, I think your npov-excising-edit, injecting perception, was not a good one. The article is about IRT. The section you edited was meant to explain a technical issue to a lay audience about IRT and tests. Your edit injecting percpetions is off-topic so I undid those changes. I appreciate the feedback; maybe there is a better way to phrase this issue. Amead 19:20, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)

NOEDITSECTION on Main Page broken

The __NOEDITSECTION__ you added to the main page is showing up in the rendered page, which it shouldn't be. —Morven 00:36, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Conflicts between users

I know that the people who do truly important and useful work here don't get enough recognition...when I saw your name at Conflicts between users, I was upset on your behalf. I know that, even when the charges are as ludicrous and baseless as these, such things can be discouraging, so I just wanted to add my voice to the many who are saying that you do excellent work here. I honestly look to you as a guide in many matters, and if I can contribute 1/10 as much to Wikipedia as I have observed you contribute, I wil be very glad indeed. Thanks for all your hard work, and please keep it up: many of us appreciate it far more than we usually take the time to say. Jwrosenzweig 21:07, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Spanish family names and accutes, middle name on articles?

Hullo Angela! :)

I have read Wikipedia's Spanish family names naming convention and find it kinda vague.

My concerns:

should Spanish names be written with acutes?
regarding the article titles of people, should they include the middle's name first letter? for example, the article title for Juan D. Pueblo Gonzalez should be Juan D. Pueblo or Juan Pueblo?

If you could reply on my talk page that would be great. ^_^

#pd: do you like Oreos?

- Maio 01:48, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Re: Cyp's Sig

I already did stop :) As I got there from special:wanted pages, I think he's found the answer. Not much of an experiment really though was it? HappyDog

Thank you from Burnaby South!

Thank you for cooling Ed down enough to disable the block! But if you did it, well... I'll Thank you then.

-Jack Zhang 10:22, Jan 9 2004 (LST)

VfD headers and Internet trolling

Oops - re the headers - I don't particularly care, but when I saw someone putting headers, I made them in to subs for the non-days. Will stop. The Fellowship of the Troll 22:10, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC) PS Please could you help with an issue I am having with Maximus Rex? I keeps moving the article Internet trolling phenomena on Wikipedia to the Talk: namespace and will not discuss the reason. What can I do? I understand that articles and discussion on Wikipedia belong there, but this is an article about Internet trolling, that happens to tak place on Wik. Help! Thanks!The Fellowship of the Troll 22:10, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I moved it to the "Wikipedia:" namespace, not the talk: namespace. Maximus Re x 22:12, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Whichever, you keep on moving it around, without justifying it - it's antisocial and counterproductive - why do you want to move it?The Fellowship of the Troll 22:14, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Oh come on, there are plenty of articles that comment on things that are not reporting of other people's publication - List of fictional cats for example, is primary research. We would gut half of the articles if we really did this. The Fellowship of the Troll 22:18, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

You support moving wikipedia as well?The Fellowship of the Troll 22:30, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

No, that's factual. Your views on what is trolling are not. Angela . 22:36, Jan 9, 2004 (UTC)

They are not my views, they are examples of trolling that exists. There is not (or need not be) any comentary on them.The Fellowship of the Troll 22:41, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Cut and paste move

You're even more likely than usual to be busier than you wish, so let me start by suggesting that you might rather tell me who to ask, instead of whether i am over-finicky in contemplating rescuing the history of a particular article that got busted by a quite recent cut-and-paste "un-move" maneuver. Magneto was moved to Magneto_(engine component) make room for a disamb page. Then another editor, who rightly thot that the disamb belonged on the main article under the name Magneto, accomplished that by cutting and pasting Magneto_(engine component)'s content over the redir, and putting a redir back to Magneto over the text of Magneto_(engine component). Thanks in either case. --Jerzy 00:21, 2004 Jan 10 (UTC)

Prussia

Hey, since you've commented before on issues of where the article on Prussia should be, I thought I'd inform you that User:Zestauferov has made a complete mess of the article Prussia, and has moved all material on the Kingdom/Land (post-1918) of Prussia to the innacurate page Brandenburg-Prussia. Something needs to be done, surely. I've posted irritated messages on both pages already, but I wanted to get other opinions on this. john 05:19, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I'm not sure why I ever was involved in that. I know nothing about the topic so there's not a lot I can do to help. Sorry! Angela . 12:47, Jan 10, 2004 (UTC)

Hi this is Zestauferov. John kenney came after the discussions at the end of December had finished and the work had been done and nasically let us know that he does not like it. Which is fine because it is not finished yet and anything he wants to add can be put in. Basically we agree that the Prussia page should cover all aspects and not be just about the Brandenburg Prussia state. Ultimately we want to phase out the disambiguation page. If you have any suggestions please post. The article is still in a bit of a mess. I am having a baby tomorrow and do not have a lot of time to focus on it now but wanted to get the ball rolling before that happens. All the bestZestauferov 08:11, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)

See my comment above. I'm not the person to ask for help with this. Anyway, good luck tomorrow. Angela . 12:47, Jan 10, 2004 (UTC)

Protected pages

I removed some of the discussion concerning the administration page because it looked like a phantom edit - It still does. The dates for the comments I removed were April/May of 2003. The comments "I've unprotected this page" and "I unprotected it again" do not apply to the administrators page, which has stayed locked since I protected it. You can check for yourself in the protection log.
Almost all of the rest of the comments (Dershowitz-Finkelstein Affair, Silesia, extermination camp, et al) I removed were unchanged for almost three weeks. (Except, now that I look carefully, the last comment in Death camp was only 6 days old). When you say I removed text that was only a few hours old, I just don't see what you are talking about.
In the future, I'll archive them - I didn't know they were supposed to be.

Sorry for any confusion it might have caused. --Raul654 12:06, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the star! --mav 05:45, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)

:) no problem. Angela . 10:45, Jan 11, 2004 (UTC)

Danny's departure

Angela, could you look, first, at the comment RK has made at my talk page following my criticism of him relating to Danny's departure, and second, at the comment I have made at Jimbo Wales's talkpage relatikng to the structural issues which I think underlie this problem. I would welcome your opinion on both the RK/Danny situation and the structural issue. Adam 06:24, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)

M.R.M. Parrott

Hello, Angela. Thanks for the message on my talk page. You're quite right, M.R.M. Parrott was a candidate for deletion after all. So I've deleted it. I've kept Talk:M.R.M. Parrott, because there was a lot of useful talk about policies and things there. You might also want to read my note at Wikipedia talk:Archived delete debates about it (basically, why I didn't make a separate /Delete page). Well done on all this maintenance stuff, by the way. I wouldn't have the stamina for it... -- Oliver P. 08:53, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks Oliver. I've replied there too. Angela . 10:45, Jan 11, 2004 (UTC)

Conflicts between users

Are you going to revert your edits to the protected page or not? --Wik 11:41, Jan 11, 2004 (UTC)

Protected Pages (pt 2)

Think nothing of it, Angela. It was an honest misunderstanding between two well intentioned people, and nothing to hold a grudge over. --Raul654 12:48, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)

custom-messages breakdown

I noticed you had added one of these and had documented the fact, so i hoped you'd know what to do abt it. (If it should go to whoever added the other, let me know & i'll track it down myself & tell them -- or tell you if you prefer.)

One of the two tags for the third row of the table on Wikipedia:MediaWiki custom messages, and the tag of the next to the last row, differ only by capitalization. The version for factual dispute doesn't work (probably bcz the NPOV one trumps it). --Jerzy 01:19, 2004 Jan 12 (UTC)

Presumably i got it backwards. (I can't imagine that removing the row-3 use of it from the table made a difference!) It certainly is working (in preview, the only place i looked before) now, and there is no confusing info in the table anymore. Sorry for what was probably carelessness on my part, and thanks for making the table read accurately. --Jerzy 04:45, 2004 Jan 12 (UTC)

VFD - Foreign

Could you possibly look at my comments on the discussion for Key server? My Hungarian isn't fluent, but I could manage a translation. OTOH is this obscure enough to let die the death it would have had without the crash - and let an anglophone write it from scratch if ever needed? The content is valid enough and it is still probably one of the most effective methods of cryptography - just a rather obscure topic. The few bits of English on the page are mine - unkamunka . 04:19, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Since we're keeping it, can it be retitled either "The MD5 Message-Digest Algorithm" or simply "Message-Digest Algorithm" - to convey the substance? "Key Server" I suspect is an anglicisation of the general topic in Hungarian - unkamunka . 05:42, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Please delete both redirects - after all that:-) - Morwen found we have a shorter version in English already - unkamunka . 09:17, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Very good idea to retain the Message Digest Algorithm redirect - unkamunka . 22:01, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Walküre

My reading of Wikipedia:Special characters and Wikipedia:Naming conventions makes me believe the editors who created Die Walküre to replace Die Walkure were on the right track. But, alas, it was a cut and paste. If you would be so kind as to clobber it, i have saved the text, (just in case it was also a text-altering edit), i'll do the move and let them know about "Move this page". (This one is simpler & should go smoother than Magneto; thanks again for yr help on that.) --Jerzy 07:36, 2004 Jan 12 (UTC)

Moved talk.

This was posted on Use talk:Angela (the deletion of which should be seriously considered):

Just to say that I got unblocked! Seems it was a vandal using the same ISP and had gone through all the possible proxies and got them blocked. Anjouli 16:43, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Re: ToU / Useful links

Are you aware that .. has been working on something similar at Wikipedia:Submission Standards (proposal)? Perhaps you need to merge your efforts with him somehow.'
- I will try to get in touch with him (if I can remember it). Thanks. :-)
On a completely unrelated note, I came across some pages you have created like .. and .. which look amazingly useful but are so hidden. They need to be linked to places people are going to find them. As a minimum I would suggest you add them to the Wikipedia:Utilities page.
- I'm glad you liked them! ^_^ Check also Wikipedia:HOWTOs Index -- it is a simple idea, used by many websites. With a page like that, Google can automatically link all "how to" searches to that page, instead of linking the page itself! That way Wikipedians will always find what they are looking for. The format is simple: list all possible combinations of "how to" do things regarding the Wikipedia Project.

#pd: DID YOU BUY THE OREOS?!?! REDEEM YRSELF la~

--Maio 23:02, Jan 12, 2004 (UTC)

The HOWTOs looks useful and no, I still haven't bought any Oreos! :)

TransWiki

Thanks for the tip. That'll make life so much easier for me. PMC 00:47, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

factor analysis

I see you moved factor analysis (in marketing) to factor analysis. Let us recall some history. That was this article's original name. I complained that the article makes not the least attempt to say what factor analysis is (and please see the discussion page before disputing this). The page's first author rather belligerently and falsely accused me of wanting to write some sort of ivory-towerish account devoid of any mention of practical applications. What incited that attack I do not know. What happened was a sort of compromise. But my objection stands: the article still simply does not care what factor analysis is; it makes no attempt to even hint at that topic. Michael Hardy 02:05, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Message for you on User talk:Tim Starling -- Tim Starling 05:46, Jan 13, 2004 (UTC)

Just a hi, for no reason whatsoever. Except that you are rarely on irc these days, so I miss you, and could not say hi :-) ant

On that note, I have to point out that it is now next Tuesday. Will we be seeing you back on IRC soon? -- Tim Starling 09:32, Jan 13, 2004 (UTC)

stubnote

Hi Angela. Thanks for the pointer. For some strange reason I don't especially expect talk on wikipedia to make sense, oh well. BTW, howcome you don't visit #wikipedia anymore? Do you find yourself wasting a lot of time when on IRC? (I know I do). --snoyes 08:39, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

It certainly is strange hanging out on #wikipedia. I feels a bit like a cabal of people making decision about wikipedia in 'secret'. :) Good luck with your computer. --snoyes 08:48, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

The Eurovision archive that did put a sub-note on there pages about Wikipedia and GNU FDL has now appeared to have taken it off. Another letter is in order me thinks. -fonzy

Romania during World War II

You're obviously one of the de facto elders around here, so I'm coming to you for advice. User:MihaiC recently added to Romania during World War II (I quote verbatim) "Jews in Bukovina and Bessarabia were accused that they supported in an active way the soviet takeover of that teritories." This is undoubtedly a true (if poorly worded) statement, but the lack of agency makes it a slander: they "were accused" by whom? (Answer: well, by the fascists who killed them.) I'd like either to get this statement out of the article or get some serious discussion of any accusations, who made them, what historians have to say about the matter, etc. Frankly, I'd rather just get it out. I don't think every article on the history of WWII needs to deal in passing with a matter like this, although there is doubtless a place to take it up. I'm not sure it would be appropriate just to edit it out. I imagine that is how edit wars generally start. For the moment I am simply leaving it there in it's poorly worded state, hoping that speaks for itself, but that is not a long term solution. I am looking to you for a suggestion on how to proceed. -- Jmabel 20:01, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

WB

Welcome back, glad your computer problems are sorted out. I took your advice of staying away from #wikipedia for a while. :) --snoyes 20:27, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)