Talk:Left 4 Dead

Dawn of the Dead Remake

I checked the provided source and it had no mention of the dawn of the dead remake, although it did give mention to 28 days later, i suggest that the supposed inspiration from dawn of the dead 04 be removed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.248.125 (talk) 10:52, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Left 4 Dead and Half Life Template

I have removed the half life series template as the half life series has nothing to do with left 4 dead. See discussion here: Template talk:Half-Life series--Wiki Fanatic | Talk 07:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

You need to add this the hte HL2 source stuff... add it to the btm of the page menu with HL2, CSS, TF2, and the other source games... I'm just passing through and leaving a note.

Fansites?

Looks like an anonymous editor has added a fan site already. Should we leave it? Or remove it? I know some wikis like Crysis prefer not to have fansites. --Gamer007 04:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC) They don't provide any reliable sources for information (mostly mirroring other sources) so there's really no reason to include it in the article. IrDewey (talk) 17:56, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I've been undoing edits by 86.3.236.221 that adds an unofficial forum link to the article. I agree with IrDewey that fan sites aren't needed so I will continue to remove these links unless anyone thinks the links should stay. Noneforall (talk) 20:57, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

I see nothing wrong with adding fansites in the "External Links" section. It's all related to the game itself and we can't just assume that each fansite is just a mirror of other sources. I'm sure each site seeks out their own exclusives for information when it becomes available, thus making it an asset to the community. Why limit that?? It's also up to the people viewing the links which ones they visit, not up to random Wiki users if fansites should be added or not (and then removed...). Just as you can undo changes to links added, we (the people who enjoy having them here) can undo your changes. It can be an endless, pointless, cycle, you know? --Chemicalduck (talk) 13:36, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I can see why you would want to keep fan sites that has information in one place, but I still don't see why we should keep unofficial forums. According to WP:EL, links to discussion forums should usually be avoided so I'm going to remove the link to the unofficial forum but keep the other link. Noneforall (talk) 18:33, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

360

Can anyone cite where this is confirmed as coming out for the 360?

It is 100%. This game looks awesome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jovack (talk • contribs) 20:22, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Youtube trailer link

Why did someone remove the link to the trailer on youtube? Is this not aloud? If so please say so. --Black_Mesa | Talk 15:56, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

The Smoker

I'm going to add to the smoker part of the article that it can strangle survivors when it's above them, my source:[1]--Sherk 03:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Left 4 Dead Hands-on Preview at left4dead411.com

I added some info from this article, who get theirs right from Valve themselves. There's probably a bunch more to add if someone wants to comb through it all. --HertzaHaeon 16:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Retreat?

"The Hunter An agile Infected who can climb walls and jump over rooftops, similar to Half-Life 2's Fast Zombie. It can pin a Survivor down on the floor and slash at them with long claws, rendering the victim powerless unless The Hunter is killed by a team-mate or knocked off its victim. The Hunter can also retreat."

Can someone clarify what it means for the hunter to retreat? As far as I know anything can "retreat"

Retreat could be implied, it is not meant to denote a special ability. You could say it has the ability just stand and heal itself, though that would be rather ineffective in my opinion. It may also be the one that has any real reason to back off or retreat because of its ability to heal itself. That is a good enough reason to denote the fact that It can retreat because it would be a tactically useful and viable option. Brokenscope 13:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I believe the Hunter is faster than the survivors so retreating with anything else would just leave you being chased down; it's probably the only class capable of retreating successfully. LikuX 05:53, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Awareness

This is listed under awareness: "The game will feature full body awareness in which the players will be able to see their own bodies when they look down, this feature was first added in F.E.A.R."

As far as I know, you could see your own body with the option enabled in Tribes 2. F.E.A.R. wasn't the first.

EDIT: You could also see your own body in SIN I believe, other games too probably, FEAR was definitely not the first.

I removed the fear reference but left the rest of the section intact. Halo 2 let you see your feet, it came out before it 2004 vs 2005. Not really all that relevant either. I'm not even sure if the whole section is worth mentioning, partly because it reads like a back of the box "feature" blurb, partly because I doubt your going to be wasting time looking at your feet, partly because I doubt they will make you fall if one foot is walking on air next to the ledge. We really don't have that level of interaction or realism in games yet. I also doubt you will be very concerned about where your body is facing when you are downed. It might be helpful when trying to hide by checking if part of you has light on it but that is about it. Brokenscope 14:00, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Tons of games have this feature, it's been around for years. I'm not sure why it's notable. -- MisterHand 14:06, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

It's notable for being the fist Source engine game to feature this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.230.53.232 (talk) 05:33, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Origin

Why is there no mention that the origin of this game comes from the zombie mod for CS? 90.192.92.47 02:09, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Source please? Just because you played CS and saw a zombie server mod doesn't mean that its inspired by CS admin mods.Brokenscope 14:49, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

It was accualy developed because the founder of turtel rock studios saw that the guys from valve loved to play agianst his bots. And they found out that 3-4 people agianst 30 bots limited to knifes was a hell of fun. thats mainly the reason. =D

AI

Here's a possible citation for the AI segment of the Wiki, but I don't know if it qualifies as one: [2]

"The developers are working on an AI system that tries to make the two indistinguishable from each other - at least in the context of Left 4 Dead - and I have to say that they have done a great job so far."

xbox360 alright

Its coming for Xbox 360, its notifed on many sites, but i've seen it on www.gamereactor.no < this is a norwegian site so... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.147.34.250 (talk) 06:45, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Character last names

There's no source for the character last names, just wanted to let you know before I remove them (new at the wiki editing thing). Squerl (talk) 00:04, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Problems with article

Wikipedia is not a game guide, and this entire article is essentially a game guide -- list of weapons, list of characters, etc. Furthermore, most aren't even cited. If someone wants to edit the article I'll give them a week or so, but if not I'm going to remove a lot of content that contributes to the article simply being a game guide. Enfestid (talk) 18:17, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Release Date

Both IGN and Gamespy say the game is going to be released in February 2008. I'm not going to edit the article until there is any agreement on the release date. What do you guys think? Here are the links to where I found the release date. http://pc.ign.com/articles/760/760290p1.html http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/turtle-rock-project/787896p1.html Noneforall (talk) 21:51, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

At the moment it looks like it'll be release 2Q of 2008, since Valve just recently bought TRS. --FrostedBitesCereal (talk) 20:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Here's a Shacknews article saying "late summer": [3]. HertzaHaeon (talk) 12:08, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Recent Interview on the show XPlay says Fall I think... --FrostedBitesCereal (talk) 20:34, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Just watched the xplay clip, it said nothing about a release date, Fall or otherwise. --CitrusFreak12 (talk) 20:59, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

This article contains some good information, especially concerning the release ("Valve's Chet Faliszek told us to expect the title in August or September") and gameplay scenarios, and the current reasons why the release has been delayed. http://www.shacknews.com/featuredarticle.x?id=745 --CitrusFreak12 (talk) 21:07, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

• Update*

As of recently there has been a release date set for October 15th 2008. (Courtesy of GameStop) This date is subject to change, but I'm sure everyone is glad that there is one now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Residentevilfan3d (talk • contribs) 19:45, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I doubt that qualifies as an official source-CitrusFreak12 (talk) 21:31, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I think "Q4 2008" sounds more relyable than an estimated month or date. Cypher00 (talk) 21:42, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

That Gamespot article doesn't make sense though, as it says that it has already been released in Europe and that's not true. I don't think it would be a good idea to base it on that October release date. Spirallingspirit (talk) 23:50, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Individual Level Descriptions

What do you guys think about describing the individual levels (hospital, cornfield, airport, and "murky countryside")? I think there is enough information on the hospital and cornfield levels that can be garnered from previews and hands-on videos and articles (eg, the cornfield features a farmhouse with boarded-up windows and barbed wire where the final stand takes place, the final stand of the hospital level takes place on the roof of the hospital while waiting for a helicopter, etc). --CitrusFreak12 (talk) 22:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

PlayStation 3

Has it been confirmed for the PlayStation 3 or will this remain a Xbox 360 exclusive? Does anyone know? Have Valve confirmed this? Damien Russell (talk) 12:22, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Why would you add PS3 as a platform before knowing this? Even your references show it's only speculation and hasn't been confirmed. Nothing's been made official. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.138.93.142 (talk) 11:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

A spokesperson from Valve confirmed this. This isnt enough? Hmm - yeah you're right. //sarcasim Damien Russell (talk) 06:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

It's not looking good for a PS3 version: [4]. No official word from Valve yet, however. HertzaHaeon (talk) 18:13, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Article introduction

I just realized the intro says nothing about what the game is about, and also gives a lot of unnecessary details of what exactly happened at the first con viewings. I took it upon myself to correct that. Hope you like it. I guess a few more important details of the game could be included in the intro, such as the AI director system. HertzaHaeon (talk) 20:20, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Something wrong

The "AI" and "The Survivors" sections are messed up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.21.179.39 (talk) 23:07, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. It was caused by someone who didn't know how to write ref links. HertzaHaeon (talk) 00:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

NPCs?

It says in The Survivors section that: "Although there are only four playable characters, as you progress in the game players will encounter NPCs who will help you and your team out." Can some please put a source for this because I have not read anywhere that there are friendly NPCs. I know there are people like the Helicopter pilot and such, but those don't really count.--99.243.5.157 (talk) 23:27, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

M21 or Scoped Mini-14?

In all of the screenshots I've seen, it appears the sniper rifle is a scoped Mini-14. There is also a reference to it on the news page ([5]). Right now the article says M21; just curious which it is. Thanks. 66.191.19.217 (talk) 17:34, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

A black guy?

Surely there is more info available on the Louis character... it seems unlikely that with the detail in the backstory of the other characters Louis' story is literally "A black guy". So I am guessing the lack of detail is an omission? Condolini (talk) 00:31, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

    I read somewhere that he is a assistant manager at a electronics store chain. This is further evidenced when Louis says in a preview: "I shoulda stayed at the store..."