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Tomb of Antipope John XXIII

A fascinating and really good page. Congratulations. Giano (talk) 12:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

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Funerary Monument to Sir John Hawkwood

Your well-written and carefully-researched article on an important fresco was certainly worth any little contributions I could make: you should see my typos! Rather a lot of red-linked names there, but people do have to be fully introduced at first appearance unless they're as familiar as, say, Vasari. In general, though there is a cathedral in Florence, always called the Duomo, in spite of Wikipedia's Florence Cathedral [sic], there is no "Cathedral of Florence". The singular of condottieri is condottiero— as I recently was taught, having written condottiere for years. Kudos to you! I must look through your contributions, since I didn't know your work til now. --Wetman (talk) 22:32, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your edits. The errors you found are to be expected as the article is based on a paper I only had a week to write for an art history class. The other paper I wrote for that class is currently on the main page though... Savidan 22:39, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I can never see my own typos. Should all those condottieri have individual articles do you think? I listed some at condottiero once, long ago... Looking about now, I wonder how I have missed your name.--Wetman (talk) 08:40, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Eventually, I'll probably do some preliminary searches on each of them and eliminate the redlinks for the articles I consider untenable at this time. Savidan 13:08, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

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Lead item, with picture! Nice work. Bencherlite^Talk 19:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Boloco

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Papal names

Congratulations, nice work. Did you know that Popes until and including Pope Pius IX called themselves POPE AND KING? I have an old etching of Pius IX with that title. --Ambrosius007 (talk) 19:03, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I haven't even begun that article...I've been busy. I didn't know that, and am a bit skeptical of whether they all did that and in what contexts they would have used that title, interesting find though. Savidan 19:58, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Well the title "King" refers to the position as head of the "Church State" or "Papal State", which ceased to exist in 1870. Pius IX, not recognizing the Italian conquest, kept the title to his death in 1878. --Ambrosius007 (talk) 12:38, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

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DYK

The following appeared on my talk page, but it belongs to you:

On 19 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article papal election, 1292-1294, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Srnec 05:41, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

My apologies for not giving you the credit; too much text blinded me, I guess. Mea culpa.--Bedford 06:10, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

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Good to see you alive and well again Savidan. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:55, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Clement VIII and Pietro Aldobrandini

Pope Clement VIII and Cardinal Pietro Aldobrandini were not brothers. Pietro was nephew of this Pope on his father's side. Clement VIII was son of Silvestro Aldobrandini, governor of Fano, and Lisa Donati, while Cardinal Pietro was son of Pietro Aldobrandini and Flaminia Ferracci. Source that you've cited probably confused Pietro Aldobradini with Cardinal Giovanni Aldobrandini, who actually was older brother of Clement VIII, but was elevated in 1570 by Pope Pius V and died in 1573. Adnote that Clement VIII was born in 1536, while Pietro in 1571. 35 years is quite unusual difference of age for brothers. See:

Pope Clement VIII

Cardinal Pietro Aldobrandini

Cardinal Giovanni Aldobrandini

CarlosPn (talk) April 19, 2008 11:30 (CET)

Good research. I admit that I was uneasy about this, and will now regard Trollope with much more skepticism. Savidan 16:34, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Ludovico Migliorati and Gaetani Stefaneschi

Ludovico Migliorati and Cardinal Giovanni Migliorati were certainly different persons. The events described by The Catholic Encyclopedia concern Ludovico, but according to Kazimierz Dopierała "Księga papieży" ("The book of the Popes"), Pallotinum, Poznań 1996, p. 262-263, Ludovico Migliorati was a condotierre and layman, and does not mention his promotion to the cardinalate or any other ecclesiestical post. In 1406 Ludovico was named by Innocent VII lord of Ancona, a lay office, while Giovanni Migliorati four years before election of his uncle was elected archbishop of Ravenna. Adnote that papal genealogy, which mentions Ludovico, does not refer him as cardinal. The Catholic Encyclopedia confused these two relatives of Innocent VII in this way that atributed to Ludovico promotion to the cardinalate which actually concerned Giovanni. Konrad Eubel, Hierarchia Catholica Medii Aevi. Volumen I, p. 26 list only Giovanni Migliorati among Innocent's VII cardinals.

About Giovanni Caetani Stefaneschi I'd rather trust Salvador Miranda and his website than The Catholic Encyclopedia. Both these sources say that he was son of Pietro Stefaneschi and Perna Orsini, so he certainly wasn't nephew sensu stricte of Boniface VIII. Possibly he was distant relative of this Pope, and as such he may be added to the list with the question mark. Similary, Cardinal Jacques Fournier (Pope Benedict XII) may have been relative of Pope John XXII, who elevated him in 1327, but it is not certain.

CarlosPn (talk) April 21, 2008 15:12 (CET)

BTW, I've removed the note that Francisco Borja was possibly son of Callixtus III, because from his biographical entry (note 2) appears that it is rather unlikely. I think that alleged natural children of Popes is very delicate subject and we should be careful in providing uncertain informations about it. Pope Callixtus III is referred rather as very austere and piety man (see f.e. his characteristics by L. Pastor, "History of the Popes vol. 2" or on The Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church), and his alleged illegitimate son does not correlate with these characteristics. Adnote that Aldea, "Borja, Francisco de." Diccionario de historia eclesiástica de España, I, 279, saying that Francisco was son of Alonso de Borja (Callixtus III), adds that he was born before Alonso received the holy orders. But Francisco was born in 1441, while Alonso de Borja was consecrated to the episcopate on August 31, 1429, twelve years before, so this information seems very ureliable.

CarlosPn (talk) April 21, 2008 15:37 (CET)

I agree that Miranda has served us better in the past than the Catholic Encyclopedia. Thanks for your input and (as always) your dilligent research. Do you think its worth having a section for people inaccurately referred to as cardinal-nephews? I am uncertain. I will look into Benedict XII. I'd like to make this a featured list one day; do you think we'll ever be secure enough in its completeness to do so? Savidan 00:53, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

G. Moroni Dizionario di erudizione storico-ecclesiastica da S. Pietro sino ai nostri giorni, vol. V, p. 5 claims that Benedict XII was nephew of John XXII on his mother's side, so it's seems that he may be included in the list. However, I think that we'll never be able to ascertain that the list is complete and without mistakes. Looking deeper in the past, the more uncertain informations and more unsolvable discrapencies in the sources we could find. For example, probably we'll never be sure whether Giovanni Visconti was ever promoted to the cardinalate, and - in consequence, whether he sould be included or not in the list of cardinal-nephews...:/ CarlosPn (talk) April 23, 2008 15:27 (CET) —Preceding comment was added at 13:27, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Giovanni Acuto

Well done! Johnbod (talk) 00:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I need to have another look. i do think some art historical additions are needed, as I commented. Johnbod (talk) 16:02, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 23 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Water privatization in Brazil, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

-Susanlesch (talk) 06:20, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm really glad you're taking in upon yourself to write these articles. Water and ecological management in Brazil is an extremely important topic and ther eis so much to cover. I started Deforestation in Brazil which was missing and there is much we could wrtie about hydroelectric power in Brazil, mining, cattle ranching subjects in particular. Keep up the good work ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 12:22, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity

Hello Savidan!

You are cordially invited to participate in WikiProject Christianity The goal of WikiProject Christianity is to improve the quality and quantity of information about Christianity available on Wikipedia. WP:X as a group does not prefer any particular tradition or denominination of Christianity, but prefers that all Christian traditions are fairly and accurately represented.

You are receiving this invitation because you are a member of one of the related Christianity Projects and I thought that you might be interested in this project also - Tinucherian (talk) 06:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

4/28 DYK

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--Bedford 05:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Reviewing articles at WP:FAC is too often a tedious and thankless task. Respectful, appreciative responses from nominators - like yours here - are what keeps me going. Thank you. Maralia (talk) 05:32, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Water resources management in Brazil- THANK YOU

Dear Savidan,

Thank you very much for your valuable contribution to the Water resources management in Brazil article. I am specially interested in some of the journals you quoted and was wondering if you have an electronic copy of "Lemos, Maria Carmen, and de Oliveira, João Lúcio Farias. 2005. "Water Reform across the State/Society Divide: The Case of Ceará, Brazil." Water Resources Development, 21(1): 133-147." I would like to inlcude the link to the paper into the citation. Thank you very much!--anunezsanchez (talk) 14:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Theology of PP XII

You worked hard! Good job, reads better, some content got lost, nothing big, I will restore later. --Ambrosius007 (talk) 17:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

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Sanfedismo

Nice work on this one! - I've been meaning to get that Italian article translated, in relation to my work on Veronese Easters. Might you be interested in Viva Maria, or in helping finish off the translation of Veronese Easters? Many thanks! Neddyseagoon - talk 00:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Do one job well and get two more, eh? :) I'll take a look; I generally tend to stay away from translation, though. Most foreign language wikipedia's, including italian, just aren't adequately sourced (at least for the articles that I've wanted to take). I have no way of knowing that I'm not just translating speculation. Useful for finding search terms though. Savidan 01:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

On 11 May, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sanfedismo, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--PFHLai (talk) 15:26, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

picture of historical 24-hour clock

Thanks for adding the picture of a historical 24-hour clock to the relevant article. It is a brilliant illustration of the idea, showing midnight at the bottom, thus making the hour hand roughly indicate the position of the Sun. −Woodstone (talk) 07:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Style questions

Kindly indicate the Wikipedia regulations - page - which you refer to regsrding style issues. Thank you.--Ambrosius007 (talk) 08:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Papal election, 1292–1294‎

... has passed GA review. Congratulations, Majoreditor (talk) 02:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Something for you

		The Editor's Barnstar
		For your exemplary "can do" approach in steering articles through the featured article process. It's a breath of fresh air, --ROGER DAVIES talk 06:12, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Possibly unfree Image:Contestmap.jpg

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Image PPXII

Thank's for your intervention. I might need your advice on that. Here is the story. P12 liked the larger picture by Boden(the British artist), because "it actually looked like me". Pascsala; happy, because he finally liked a painting, helped the artist and got a small pic of the head only from him as a present. This is her property. She permitted me to make a copy of that small pic in 1962, I got later a second one, and this 1962 copy is on the page. I might not have used the right copyright category, and you have much experience in this area, so I appreciate your advice. I have other originals from her as well, including additional picture and some hand written notes and letters, so this is a much larger issue. A second issue concering me is size. did I overstep Wikipedia boundaries, and, if yes, how does one downsize a pic? The pic itself is quite nice as you probably agree. Thanks --Ambrosius007 (talk) 16:21, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank's for your quick reply. Pascalina, the assistant of PPXII, was the legal owner of the pic. Does this not give her copyright? And can she not confer this to me? What about all the other pics and documents I have from her. Im I not the owner of these, especially the hand written documents, which are not copies? I changed the text of the description, after your intervention.

Fair use I found in an Picasso article, where several of his later picures are shown under this policy. Since the PPXII picture is to show the "Pastor Angelicus", (Malachian prophesy of PPXII), I could use the fair use rationale, to be mentiond in the article as well. However, if this cannot be clarified and you still feel more comfortable with keeping the old picture up top, we can just replace the two. No big deal. Thank's for your help. --Ambrosius007 (talk) 16:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC) PS I plan to add a small childhood pic (from 1884) which should be unproblematic bcause of age.

Thank you this is very helpful. I will look into this, take me a few days. Of course she is dead by now. But better safe than sorry. If you prefer to switch, go ahead. If not, it can wait. Thank's again for your help in this matter. I keep you posted.

--Ambrosius007 (talk) 17:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC) Thank you Savidan, the images support the text in a sense, as they show a human PPXII. I appreaciate your help later on, as I am not familiar with these issues. --Ambrosius007 (talk) 14:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

It seems that Template:Infobox popestyles the infoboxes of the popes was drastically changed, note the new purple color, which is just aweful. Because of increased size, there is now a space problem on top, which we (and other pope pages) did not have before. I moved the signature in the text, that helped a little, but i am not familiar with these things. Kindly take a look at it at your convenience, no hurry.--Ambrosius007 (talk) 20:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Gone with the Wind in the Vatican

On 30 May, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gone with the Wind in the Vatican, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 18:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

quote

Thank's for asking. The quote expressed a common view (with implicit accusation), that PP12 notably did not elevate Tardini and Montini in 1953.

• Msgr. Tardini and Msgr. Montini were notably not elevated&mdash

True enough, but other Monsignore were not elevated either. If this sentence is to make sense in a biography of Pius XII, it must mean something. Did he overlook them ? Did they ask for it? Were they entitled to it by position?

None of the above applied. I replaced the quote with a more accurate quote from the Pope himself, indicating that these two guys refused the red hat in 1953, which of couse is quite a different story. The papal quote is from his allucation to the new cardinals. If you go to the tardinin page, go get additional detail, including how this poor chap, despite of his serious illness, was forced into the promotion by John XXIII which he had rejected five years earlier from Pius XII. He died within three years of a massive heart attack. The same point was raised in PAUL VI. Thank`s again. --Ambrosius007 (talk) 14:07, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Hallo, Why not! Fine, but the story did not end here. AFTER they turned down the red hat, Pius XII gave them new titles as Pro-Secretary of State, and, in addition both were grated the privilege to wear Episcopal Insignia.

Well, you are right, but I replaced the quote because, by itself it was wrong and gave a wrong context. The question here is how much do we want to go in detail: ... because the story continued. After they turned down the red hat in 1953, Montini was appointed to Milan a year later in 1954. FYI I wrote in Pope Paul VI on this issue:

• Montini was appointed in 1954, to the senior Italian church post of Archbishop of Milan. Traditionally such an appointment would be followed by being made a cardinal at the next consistory (when vacancies in the College of Cardinals are filled). To the surprise of many, Montini never received the red hat (as the appointment to the cardinalate is often called) before Pope Pius's death in 1958; Pius XII. had only two constitories during his pontificate, in 1946 and 1953. He offered the red hat to Montini and Tardini in 1953, but they turned it down. Montini did not get the red hat after 1954, because the Pope did not have a third consistory before his death in 1958. This meant that all archbishops, appointed after 1953, who could expect the honor because of tradition and importance of their city, did not get the red hat, (Montini Milan, O’Hara Philadelphia, Cushing Boston, König Vienna, Godfrey Westminster, Barbieri Montevideo, Castaldo Naples, Richaud Bordeaux) Pope Pius revealed at the consitory in 1953, that two (Tardini and Montini) were of the very top of his list but turned it down. Montini and Tardini had declined the cardinalate.

What I left out in this saga are the numerous holy and unholy rumors, all of them unsubstantiated. Cheers--Ambrosius007 (talk) 14:35, 2 June 2008 (UTC)