User talk:Grey Wanderer/Archive 4

Howdy, Grey Wanderer...

While at heart I am very interested in your invitation, I have my irons in so many fires at Hickman as a teacher, sponsor, and committee chairman that I would be daft to add something else to the pile. BUT...come summer...I might be interested. This page, as you say, has potential, but it needs a lot of work, not just in editing and revision, but it certainly needs to be fuller. It doesn't have all the components it needs to fully represent Hickman. I can envision possibly enlisting some students writers (good ones) to add sections after I meet with them, look at the existing page, and brainstorm necessary changes. Giving actual students ownership would make the entry an even more powerful thing. Let me know your thoughts about that.

Do I happen to know you outside of cyberspace? I am Phil Overeem, as I say, a teacher at Hickman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Povereem (talk • contribs) 12:21, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure how this message was at the top of my talk page without me seeing it for two months. Sorry bout' that. I'll give you another blurb this summer to see if your interested. I like the idea of student writers, though they must understand that anything they write would be edited mercilessly for style and neutrality. There is a whole page somewhere here about using wiki as a teaching tool, it happens fairly often. I'll try to find that for you. I don't believe you know me in real life, I graduated several years ago.-Grey Wanderer | Talk 21:13, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject kansas city chiefs

Would you be interested in joining The Kansas City Chiefs Wikiproject? RC-0722 (talk) 17:21, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but I have my hands full with my current wikiprojects and real life right now. Thanks for the offer.-Grey Wanderer | Talk 01:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:User WikiProject Columbia

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Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:47, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

The page has lived past its time. Delete away.-Grey Wanderer | Talk 01:38, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

troy missouri page

Hello Grey, long time no talk to. Why did you delete Watson Powell and Omer Avery from the list of notable residents on this page? No one has ever heard of Tankersley perhaps he is a friend of yours hmmmmm?

Splitsville —Preceding unsigned comment added by Splitsville (talk • contribs) 01:36, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello again, I deleted Watson Powell and Omer Avery per Wikipedia:Notability. They don't have wiki articles of their own and their inclusion was not sourced. If you believe that they are notably perhaps you could create pages for them (with sources) make sure you read up on what establishes notability first at the above link. Thanks.-Grey Wanderer | Talk 01:37, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Missouri Students Association

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Raytown South

What was the reason for changing the Raytown South HS page? Those links had been fine for over a year and no one had touched them. You deleted several VERY notable alumni from the list and also deleted two HARMLESS external links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NeelyCrenshaw (talk • contribs) 15:29, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

The to "very notable" alumni I deleted did not have wikipedia pages or sources as to their inclusion, which means they fail both WP:Notability and the guidelines set forth by WikiProject Schools. Create a page for these people if you think they are notable or try to find a source. If you want to add they external links back I won't remove remove them again. I originally removed them because I thought they were bad links (the website for the newspaper was not working yesterday), though they are only indirectly related to the topic of the article.--Grey Wanderer | Talk 18:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Cedar City, Missouri page edit

As a new contributor I appreciate your comments relative to my edit on the Cedar City, Missouri page. I did notice that when accessing that page with privacy set high (cookies turned off) that my edit did not appear and only when I turned cookies on did it appear. Is it such that the casual user will not see the contributions that I made unless they are a contributor or the specific contributor that made the edit? Callawegian (talk) 14:00, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

No, your edit will appear on the version of the page that the entire web sees. I imaging you just needed to refresh your browser, sometimes the Wikipedia database lags in updating as well. Happy editing!-Grey Wanderer | Talk 21:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Bud Lathrop

Why did you nominate that for deletion......I JUST CREATED IT AS YOU TOLD ME TO! Give me some gang time to work on it for crying out loud. Do you have something against Ray-South/Bud Lathrop? You seem to want to derail any progress in those topics. Please explain yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NeelyCrenshaw (talk • contribs) 04:33, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello again, I did say to create the page if you thought he was notable enough, but I never said I would agree with you. The page currently has very little in the way of sources, and doesn't demonstrate notability at anymore than a local level. The page has been in existence for over a week and I won't make any move to delete if for a few more days, but know that if the page remains how it is there is a good chance it may be deleted. Careful with your accusations, and read Wikipedia:Civility. I certainly have nothing against you Raytown articles, I usually look at dozens of Missouri and Education article a day, just trying to keep things tidy here.-Grey Wanderer | Talk 19:45, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

So what would you do to improve the page? That page is like DOZENS of entries in WP about other basketball coaches. It is even sourced. I will add to it as I get around to it, but I see no reason why you would delete it. In fact, you are the only one I see that has a problem with it. NeelyCrenshaw (talk) 13:48, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I've not seen another page on someone who is just a high school basketball coach, no matter how long his been one, you're probably going to have a fight winning an afd battle. If you want time then I certainly won't make a move for a while.-Grey Wanderer | Talk 18:00, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you very much for giving me a barnstar. I appreciate it and will display it with pride. →Wordbuilder (talk) 22:23, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject: KCMO

What all would that involve exactly? Jrmiller962 (talk) 23:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Your welcome to join, but your participation level and subject area is entirely up to you. There is nothing required by you joining, just add your name to the participants list if you like. I just noticed that most of your edits involved subjects that are under the wikiproject's umbrella. Thanks, let me know if there is anything else I can do for you.-Grey Wanderer | Talk 17:57, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

stl neighborhoods

i'm sorry to muscle into your territory so abruptly and brashly. I've taken the liberty of creating a to do list for the neighborhoods of st. louis and i'm planning to make a heavy amount a stub creating and article standardizing across the board there. I'm still being detained by my much larger projects of a similar nature in Seoul, see Gu of Seoul and Dong of Gangnam-gu. I'd like to do something similar for St. Louis if I can. I've got all the maps, poor quality, but I have them. I'm shopping around for work partners now. If you have the time, could you look over my to list and recommend any changes in the order of priorities as you see them? This is just for the individual neighborhood pages. I guess the actual page, Neighborhoods of St. Louis would probably eventually look similar to Gu of Seoul. I'll be working on that as my own subpage for a while though. Cheers. DaronDierkes (talk) 04:00, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Great! this is an endeavor that really needs tackling, so muscle in as abruptly as you like. I'll take a look, and possible be able to get involved, though I'm bogged down on a number of my own projects currently. if Neighborhoods of St. Louis could look as good as Gu of Seoul that would be a vast improvement. Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.-Grey Wanderer | Talk 17:55, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I muscled. You will find that Template:WikiProject St. Louis has undergone some radical changes. I've also messed with the main wikiproject page a bit. I made a few working groups too. more are possible, but i figured this would be a good start. As mentioned on the Mizzou project talk page, I've been thinking of starting a UMSL wikiproject, but wondered if that would just be creating a lot of extra work without too many results. I thought perhaps we could make a University of Missouri project and then have four working groups, the Mizzou working group would just be the Mizzou wikiproject. I'm not really sure how to organize it yet, so for now, I'll do some UMSL editing under the guise of the St. Louis Education working group. DaronDierkes (talk) 04:41, 4 May 2008 (UTC) DaronDierkes (talk) 04:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Nice work with that template, I've replied to your comment on the WikiProject Mizzou talk page.-Grey Wanderer | Talk 01:18, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Nobody's ever given me an award before. That's crazy! I didn't expect it to be for that. Sweet. good good good. DaronDierkes (talk) 02:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

You probably noticed that the stl template can now be used to group articles under a number of various working groups. I've been working through Category:Unassessed St. Louis articles and slowly rating and sorting articles. Generally, the work is pretty easy, but i do have a problem with certain businesses, musuems, parks, and other minor things. They don't specifically belong to of the working groups I made, and I am very reluctant to begin new working groups because there are already way too many. The education group, which is shaping up nicely is a bit overloaded. I'm trying to decide if I should group all the museums under them or not. Musuems may also be categorized under buildings and structures and therefore architecture, and some of them can fall under History. I made a proto-list at List of museums in Greater St. Louis which seems like a useful place to work from, but should I really make a museums working group? Alternately I could just leave all the museums without a group and just let them fall under the general wikiproject. What are your thoughts?

Hmmm....My suggestion would be to combine the music, food, architecture, working groups into the "culture" working group, this also covers museums, and a lot of loose ends nicely. I know that requires backtracking, so it may not be the best choice. The way I've seen museums dealt with is usually under an education working group, right alongside libraries and schools. Anyways, do whatever is easiest for you. If you need someone to head up the education working group (which last time I checked you do) I'm game, I just want to make sure I'm following the standards you set for the other groups. Also on another note, I'm thinking about making the St. Louis, Missouri page my next project, maybe taking it up to GA-status to complement all the work your doing.-Grey Wanderer | Talk 06:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I was really hoping that each working group could constantly edit the subsection of the St. Louis, Missouri page. you know, history does history and education does education. the education group is the most developed right now with transportation coming in second. I think the objectives for the education group are also clearest. look over the article series and the cats I made (which I now know was outside my authority... jeez.) and i'm sure you'll see the basic structure I was going for, which is in essence whatever structure WikiProject Missouri already put in place. I was hoping to make a cat for each school district and university, put that cat under education in blah county and then put that under education in greater st. louis. I'm just pulling stuff off missouri lists right now and making localized clones.

For culture... i think you're probably right. I'll leave the libraries under education and pull music and food together, though I think architecture is a different topic. If I make a culture group it will let me put all kinds of random stuff together. :o) Cool. DaronDierkes (talk) 06:37, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

secretly I know geography and neighborhoods are tackling the same issues... but i've got local pride holding me down. DaronDierkes (talk) 06:40, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

If you want to help with the education project, that would be a great help indeed. The more I look into it the more frustrated I get. I set up an outline of what we can do for St. Louis County and city. After those we can move on to the other counties. I've got high hopes, but there sure are a lot of red links. DaronDierkes (talk) 11:17, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Why did you remove my Brianna Love reference

She is a graduate of Cotton high school in Missiouri.

I removed it because, you provided no references as to her attending Smith-Cotton, and I could also find nothing in any of the references on her page here. Also several of your other edits in the same time span added random characters to the article that looked like test edits or vandalism. Wikipedians must be careful with pornography actress' because of the high likely hood of vandalism and hoaxes. I've removed the listing for now, if you find a references, please add it back, and if you need any help doing so, don't hesitate to ask.-Grey Wanderer | Talk 17:45, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

MacGregor Arctic Expedition Photos

Grey,

I have created articles documenting the 1937 MacGregor Arctic Expedition of which my father was a member. I have had his negatives from the expedition professionally scanned and I am using some of them in the articles. None of these photographs have copyrights.

How do I document that he has released all rights to the uploaded photos.

Thanks for all your hard work.

Bob Inglis AKA bobhaybob —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobhaybob (talk • contribs) 11:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you own the rights to the photos? (you do if you own the photos themselves). If so, then its as easy as using the GFDL-self template or something like that. I looked at a sampling of your photos, they seem to be documented just fine. Just make sure you add the documentation when you upload the photos or shortly after or they could be deleted. -Grey Wanderer | Talk 01:25, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Invite

I would be honored to help out on the St. Louis project. I am from St. Louis so I hope I can contribute quite a bit. Freemasonx (talk) 23:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Great! I see you added yourself to the participants list, see ya around.-Grey Wanderer | Talk 00:06, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Holy Hills, St. Louis Copyright violation

Please compare this with this--24.36.35.188 (talk) 18:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I can and certainly did, and I don't mine helping out. But if you can write on my talk page, you can remove the copyrighted material. Be Bold! -Grey Wanderer | Talk 18:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

There is more. Also article Carondelet. I have had some unpleasant interactions with this user in the past and would rather keep as low a profile as possible on this. 24.36.35.188 (talk) 19:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I've removed all the copyrighted material. -Grey Wanderer | Talk 18:06, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

No you haven't. But I have. 24.36.21.8 (talk) 11:48, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh! your right, I thought I had, but you're on top of it. -Grey Wanderer | Talk 18:12, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

If you have a problem with something I added to an article user "24.36.35.188", please feel free to speak right up, to me, that is. Freemasonx (talk) 06:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

to do list

thanks a lot man. :o) I really appreciate it. I kind of fell away from that project a bit. I've got a user subpage for st. louis, I can move it there, I guess I'm the only one really using it. I hope to update it eventually. Ah. anyway, thanks. DaronDierkes (talk) 07:15, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

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Recreation

Using speedy G4 after a re-creation is only applicable when the article had been deleted as he result of an Afd.-- not a previous speedy, not a prod. The only practical things to do with Restaurants in Mexico City are to either improve it, to merge it with another article, or send it for AfD. DGG (talk) 01:23, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah thanks I see that now, sorry, I'm using Twinkle for the first time, and trying to find my way around that. I tagged the article with a replacement speedy-delete tag before I saw your message. So do what you will. Thanks again -Grey Wanderer | Talk 01:26, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Washington U

The information was not unsourced and contained a link to the university's public defense statement. Furthermore, those clicking on the provided link, would also be given a link to the chancellors explanation on the matter —Preceding unsigned comment added by Longjanes (talk • contribs) 23:54, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Please see the response on your talk page. Grey Wanderer | Talk 23:59, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

That response does not apply to the edit you most recently reverted. i am also extremely disappointed at your accusing me, and publically no less, of intentionally putting the same comment twice in an article so it wouldn't be deleted. Given the nature of the "Undo" button, no one with an iq above 10 should ever consider, even momentarily, that their putting forth a comment twice would keep it from being removed. Now rewriting an entire artilce over multipe edits, yes. But not something that it would take two seconds to glance at to see it was done, and even less time to undo it The truth, which should have been obvious imo, is that I had move the statement to a more appropriate section and either forgot to delete from the top or the internet troubles I was experiencing at the time readded while I was on the edit page. A pretty big clue should have been that in the new section, it was reworded perfectly within your requests. Also, even though it was removed from the new add, there was no reason to put forth a reference for Schlafly's son being gay because her name was clickable. one only needed to click on it to see the wiki article that mentioned her having a gay son. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Longjanes (talk • contribs) 21:41, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes it does. What was your motivation for inserting the same information word for word at two different points in the article then? you'll find pretty much everything is done publicly here at Wikipedia. Grey Wanderer | Talk 11:53, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Aspire One

You know i am having a real problem with what is being done here. I was the author that started ASUS eee pc article several months ago, and it has proven to be a valuable, highly-edited intro into what has become a very important market, the netbook.

I am trying to get the Aspire One article going for the very same reason (I don't work for any of these companies, I just think this is a very significant trend in the computing space.)

Why not help me out here, rather than hassling me?

I may be that the page can be kept. But it needs to be written in a much more neutral tone. Why not try creating the page in you userspace and then when you think its ready send me a message and I'll come take a look at it and help you move it to the mainspace. deal? Grey Wanderer | Talk 22:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Myrtis Dightman

I added some references to Myrtis Dightman. I think that the article now demonstrates notability. --Eastmain (talk) 23:06, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Looks much better now, nice work. Grey Wanderer | Talk 23:15, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Award for Little Dixie

Hi - thanks for the award on counties of Little Dixie - some other counties are considered border or outer Little Dixie, but at least it was a start. It would be great to find pics of a typical house and barn. Haven't looked yet.--Parkwells (talk) 10:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Cahokia

Thanks, I'm not sure what to do if he keeps this up, he seems to be saying that we can't verify that Young and Fowler are correct, and he thinks they are wrong. Doug Weller (talk) 21:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Well if he keeps removing the content without any sources to the contrary, hes going to run into Wikipedia:3RR pretty fast here. I'll keep an eye on things over there. I've checked your sources you know more about the local than I. Just keep your cool for now, usually editors like that will give up after not too long. Grey Wanderer | Talk 21:34, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Your Source is not verifiable because it is mere speculation about the reason that fingers were "vertical". This encyclopedia is not the place for your racist views or continuing fringe views of the minority. Native American burials are not yours to condemn as sacrifices or buried alive. If you want to keep the statement, You need to adjust the wording to state "Young presumed that the burials were trying to dig themselves out." Not, state it as a fact because a mere speculation on Youngs part is far from fact. Marburg72 (talk) 22:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

It is not my source, I simply was a neutral party who happened across the article. You accusations of racism are in gross violation of Wikipedia:Civility. The book sourced is a reliable source and it's views should be demonstrated in the article. However, if you want to provide a contrasting view then find a source instead of edit warring and making baseless accusations. You seem to have ties to the Native American culture, if you are too attached or in any way feel your views make hinder your neutrality, I encourage you to take a step back and take a deep breath. Grey Wanderer | Talk 23:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

The source that I am referencing is the Fowler Study on Mound 72, which is the best source on the specific topic in question. It does not state anything about buried alive theory. Youngs source falls into the Fringe category. It is merely rumors and speculation. So do not accuse me of violating civility rules when I am citing the best source on the topic. Youngs souce is once again unreliable See WP:reliableMarburg72 (talk) 23:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Both sources appear to be reliable and both sources should be included in the article. Youngs source appears not to rule out being buried alive. Your civility has nothing to do with how good your source is, your civility has to do with the fact that you have accused multiple editors of being racist. Grey Wanderer | Talk 23:07, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

The source that you cited (Young) states in a speculative manner that the "Vertical fingers" appeared to be evidence of digging out of a grave. Appeared to be cannot be misinterpreted as FACT as you have done. The encyclopedia is not a place to take someones speculation and convert it into fact. This is where you have made a serious mistake. It is uncivil to discuss human burials and misconstrue a speculation as if it is fact. See wp:verifiable The source that is the basis of your argument is very doubtful and highly controversial due to its jump to rash conclusion with little evidence. 71.11.133.246 (talk) 01:45, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

This argument should probably take place on the Talk:Cahokia page. I've not interpreted anything as fact or fiction, I'm not the editor who added it to the article. I'm not arguing anything except that you need to cease edit warring and use the talk page along with User:Dougweller and remember we're all here to improve Wikipedia. I'm sure doug is not purposefully trying to add what you deem racist comments on the page. Why don't you include the argument you've made here in a neutral tone of voice on the Cahokia page, with sources. I would never revert that, but you've only removed what someone else inserted into the article saying its false instead of trying to improve it or show why its false. Grey Wanderer | Talk 03:51, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you very much for the barnstar it's my first one. Me5000 (talk) 03:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

You're quite welcome. Grey Wanderer | Talk 03:51, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

And even more thanks

I see you've been busy awarding barnstars—aside from your many other contributions—and as such, thanks for the first barnstar of my very own. I shall not rest until the unassessed article count on WikiProject St. Louis drops to zero.

On a side note, I was looking at WikiProject Kansas City and noticed that an assessment bot/table has not been setup there. If you could help create the underlying mechanism, I'll gladly help tag all those articles, too. --Millbrooky (talk) 06:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

At the rate your going you'll have them done in no time. As far as Kansas City goes, its on the to-do list, soon. Probably along with a makeover of the main WikiProject Kansas City page. It won't take much since a bot takes care of a lot of the work. I'll let you know when its done.Grey Wanderer | Talk 06:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC)