Talk:Don Cherry

He's Gay in the Trivia section?

Don Cherry is gay? I'm from florida so I can't watch him nightly but he was married right? There is no citation for this so I'm wondering if its vandalism. Thanks 65.33.65.88 06:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah it's vandalism. His wife died some time ago I believe. --Wafulz 13:29, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, first wife Rose died, remarried Luba a few yaers back

Coaching

How come Cherry's coaching paragraph doesn't include his 1976 Canada Cup, where his tip to the players to fake a slap shot while skating in on the Czech goalie and then put the puck in the net, led to Darryl Sittler's game winner in OT and the Canada Cup? Also, he was coach of the 1981 Canada World Championship team, which finished in fourth place. Alslammerz

Ownership

Cherry is or was an owner of a minor-league hockey team in which he demanded that only Canadians be allowed to play on the team. Does anybody know the name of the team? Zoe

But he also was vocal in his support for the United States during the recent Iraq War, and attacked the official Canadian neutrality. I wanted to add that part, but wanted to put in the dichotomy of the minor league team, but I need to know the name of the team first. -- Zoe

He owned the Mississauga Ice Dogs-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Earl Andrew (talk • contribs)

He did not demand that only Canadian players play on the team. The team did have American players. The team is in the OHL and they are allowed to carry two non-North American import players, usually Europeans. Cherry did not have any such import players on his team during the time in which he owned them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.163.2.8 (talk • contribs)

Suits

I don't understand the claim that Cherry's plaid suits are an unverifiable fact. The intro to Coach's Corner that is played every week (every two days, or so during the playoffs) clearly shows a cut-out of Don in a plaid suit. For confirmation of this feel free to see: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/hnic/coach.html . Furthermore, I don't think it is enough to say that he is known for wearing pin-stripe suits and gold ties. Many people wear black pin-stripe suits and gold ties and aren't known for it. I hope that my most recent edit clarifies things. Carruthers 21:38, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I feel that Cherry is known more for wearing creative (or loud) suits in general and not one specific type of suit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.163.2.8 (talk • contribs)

Perhaps it would be appropriate to include some comment that he is well known for his flamboyant apparel, specifically, double breasted suits in a variety of (frequently bright) colors and patterns, as well as shirts with huge french collars and cuffs. You can't forget his penchant for polka-dot ties, either. Further, I don't think I've ever seen him in the same suit, tie, or shirt twice. Who else on television dresses like a pimp every week? And how could that not be mentioned? And who provides all these clothes?

Although I can't find it on the net, several years back on tv, Cherry's dressing style was said to be one of the tackiest, if not the tackiest, of all celebrities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.20.47.117 (talk) 10:44, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

News and Rumours

Is he actually going to be in the Disney movie "The Wild" (CGI animation)? Imdb lists Don Cherry as providing a voice and links to this Don Cherry but I'm still not convinced.--Fmaack 11:37, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

That is true. He was talking about it on the Grapeline: a daily radio segment he has on Toronto's Fan 590 radio station. Apparently, the director of the movie is a Canadian and wanted to have him in there. 72.138.81.82 21:38, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Are the rumours that Cherry will be fired and that he has been courted by the Tories really encyclopedic? Maybe if he actually runs as a candidate that would be noteworthy but as it stands now the story seems to be: Peter McKay went to a hockey game and *thought* about asking to talk to Cherry about maybe running. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carruthers (talk • contribs)

Actually Don did use European hockey players on the Mississauga Ice Dogs and yes he has been asked to enter politics but guys he's seventy years old 5 minutes per week with one liberal is all he can take! BJC — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.126.185 (talk • contribs)

Hockey violence

Unlike those who decry the violence in North American ice hockey; Cherry embraces it. HOwever, he insists that it be done in a "clean" manner where gloves are dropped and sticks and other equipment never used. He feels that this is a necessary outlet for frustrations and lets player themselves police the game to an extent and prevents indirect violence such as "accidental" tripping, which he insists is far more common Europe. Does this belong in the article? Rlquall 12:00, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I've added a passage about this, see what people think.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by OttawaShane (talk • contribs)

However, this is purely Cherry's prejudice. He never substantiates his claims with any proof or references.

Liberal Media Potshot

"Cherry is generally regarded as being an outspoken conservative on many issues, making him often at odds with the overall tone of CBC programming, which is generally characterized as liberal-leaning."

C'mon, it's an article about a sports commentator, not about CBC bias. Fair enough about the "outspoken conservative" bit, but there's no need to discuss perceived bias in his employer's productions. And, besides, "generally characterized" is vague. Generally characterized by rightwing press and politicians? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.2.164.18 (talk • contribs)

Generally characterized by anyone who's watched the channel, I think. You write liberal stories to keep favor with the liberal government, do you not?

The comment about the liberal-leaning character of the CBC makes it a little more obvious what the conflict is between Don Cherry and CBC management. If he made conservative comments on a conservative channel, nobody would notice. It's the way his perspectives differ from those generally expressed by CBC that make them that much more obvious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.144.217.115 (talk • contribs)

It is POV pushing. What you suggest is a matter of speculation, not evidence. Whether CBC is "liberal-leaning" or not is a matter of opinion, not fact, and I've seen no evidence to suggest that Canadians "generally consider" it being of a certain orientation. Fishhead64 20:30, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

"You write liberal stories to keep favor with the liberal government." What do you mean that the Canadian government is liberal. People often make the assumption that political parties are their names. For example, that the Liberal Party is liberal. However, the party name has nothing to do with ideology. Regardless, the Canadian government can hardly be considered liberal and neither can the CBC. Look at Rex Murphy, for example, he is somewhat of a Rush Limbaugh character. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.20.47.117 (talk) 10:53, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Del cherry?

if del cherry, don's father, is one of kingston's best ever athletes, why isn't there a wikipedia article on him? 131.111.8.97 21:35, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Because Kingston's a small town, and he didn't accomplish anything notable outside of it. 72.138.81.82 00:30, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

family

does he have any children? if so what are their names? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.110.224.89 (talk • contribs)

Daughter Cindy and Son Timothy (Tim)

In 1979, Tim needed a kidney transplant and Cindy donated hers. The entire Bruins team donated blood for the operation.

This is from Cherry's book Grapes. If you want to add this to the passage. Alslammerz

business/charity

I added a brief bit on Don Cherry's restaurants, and also on charity work. others may be able to add detail if they feel more detail is required. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OttawaShane (talk • contribs)

Canadian cultural icon

"...Many consider him to be a Canadian cultural icon." Please give me a break, canadian cultural icon, my a... !!!? This says a lot about the extent of canadian culture; I'm glad to be a frog, merci beaucoup ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyperchipper (talk • contribs)

It also says a lot either about the lack of upstanding figures in Canada's history and/or the lack of knowledge of Canada's history on the part of Canadians that he would be selected among the top 10 greatest Canadians' of all time list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.20.47.117 (talk) 10:59, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Nickname

While at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous#Grapes Cherry's name came up and someone asked where the nickname comes from. I found the one reference but there must be a better one. If someone could find it and add it. THanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:03, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Analogy for Americans

Sports Illustrated had an article in 1993 about Cherry that described him as "part Rush Limbaugh and part Dick Vitale." That analogy means little to Canadians but is the perfect description of Cherry for Americans. Think we should include it in the article? -- Mwalcoff 02:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Analogies are subjective. Possible POV. Flibirigit 03:52, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

It's OK to use if we mention who's saying it. -- Mwalcoff 12:53, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Recognition in Parliament

I don't have a linkable source, but I was listening to it at the time, and it's probably in hansard, but that takes digging. Rustalot42684 01:52, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Exactly who are you claiming made this statement about Cherry? The speaker of the house is Peter Milliken. Are you saying he recognized himself in parliament?. I don't see how the other MPs you mentioned factor into any of the statement. Flibirigit 02:43, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Introduction (Racism allegations)

Donald Stewart Cherry (born February 5, 1934 in Kingston, Ontario, Canada) is know as the must racist canadian, promoting racism agains french speaking canadians. He is know as the "English Separatist".

How does this pass the Wiki standard for biographies of living persons? It is an unsourced allegation of racism and is potentially libelous. It should be removed immediately, for poor grammer if nothing else. J —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.163.44.138 (talk • contribs) 17:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC).

It was removed about 30 minutes before you posted your comment. I saw it and came to the same conclusion you did. With no reference to back it up, I deleted it on the spot. —C.Fred (talk) 21:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Ice dogs

Didn't Cherry sell his interest in the Mississauga Ice Dogs? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.12.5.65 (talk • contribs) 22:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC).

"Grapes" or "Grapes Cherry"?

Does his nickname ever get prepended to his last name? Whenever I've heard it used, it's always just been "Grapes," standing alone. Given the usage, and comparing that to "The Big Hurt," Frank Thomas, I'm thinking that the intro needs reworded to just give his full name, and then give the nickname later in the paragraph.

Am I wrong about the usage? Or does anybody have a reason why it shouldn't be done like other stand-alone sports nicknames (Thomas, Wayne Gretzky)? —C.Fred (talk) 01:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Political views and controversy

I feel this section is a very poor representation of Cherry's views. For example, there are three citations from a student journalist newspaper opinion column, which is a bit questionable in a national and international context. In addition, some of the phrases are very strongly worded considering Cherry hasn't outright made these comments. For example:

Cherry has a strong dislike of the "European style" of hockey, and has often insulted French Canadian hockey players on his show, blaming them for bringing diving, high-sticking and the introduction of visors into the league, while taking the jobs of "good-old Canadian boys."

This statement is a borderline attack and ignores statements he has made criticizing Canadian and American players.

After questionable gestures on the part of Atlanta Thrashers' star winger Ilya Kovalchuk, Cherry fumed: "Someone should have broken [Kovalchuk's arm], but they didn't.

This statement is just thrown in there without any context or results, sort of "furthering" the point on anti-Europeanism. Many of the statements seem to be selective and intentionally short to push a point of view.

Also, I think the section should be split up- I don't see why the section should cover controversies and then have stuff like Crosby's A and his support of Harper. --Wafulz 22:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I support your comments. Flibirigit 22:02, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

He can certainly be said to be anti-European, racist, sexist and anti-French Canadian who regularly engages in unsubstanitiated diatribes against those he hates. For example, he'll often say some player he hates is doing something "like a girl" and he has espoused ideas of aboriginals which can not only be said to be racist (ie, suggesting they are lazy or don't try hard) but also that they expose his lack of knowledge of Canadian history (or even of today), particularly when it comes to minorities. For example, this, this, and this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.20.47.117 (talk) 11:17, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Suits, Again

How can you have an article about Don Cherry without talking about his loud suits? --70.81.251.32 02:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

That's a good point. He's very well-known for it. --Wafulz 02:43, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

ZZ Top

Alright, so its pretty well known that the ZZ top song 'Sharp Dressed Man' Is the unoffical 'theme song' of Cherry. So, is it worth mentioning? I'm not trying to cause any sort of flame war or what not, just trying to throw this idea onto the field. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.210.61.34 (talk) 19:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

What sources do you have that it is a well-known theme song? Flibirigit (talk) 19:46, 14 February 2008 (UTC)