Talk:Sum 41

Pop Punk or Punk Rock

It seems the main quip in genres right now is whether the band is pop punk or punk rock. I believe that punk rock best defines the band. If you think differently state why. DrewD007 04:36, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
DrewD007 SUM41 R PUNK ROCK NOT POP PUNK. SONGS LIKE RYTHEMS R POP PUNK. EVERYTHING ELSE IS PUNK ROCK. User:Kevzilla8

Let's just put pop punk and punk rock up kk User:Kevzilla8

Maybe its just me but as of 2007 and underclass hero, they are hardly punk rock. Foreeye 10:10, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Sum 41 is even more punk rock than any of their previous albums. Deryck even said so. Just listen to some of the new songs. Tim Y (talk) 14:12, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

But really who cares what genre they are? They are constantly in change and sound entirely different on each new album. Thats why I listen to them. For christs sake listen to so long goodbye and then no reason or the bitter end. A world of difference. then listen to in too deep and then mr. amsterdam and know that roughly 1 year passed between those songs. When you start arguing about pointless genres like pop/skate/whatever-punk you are REALLY becoming a wikigeek. And dont. Listen to their great music instead! Foreeye 15:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I think they're rather emocore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.201.169.202 (talk) 20:22, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, alright. Why don't you actually listen to their music, and if you still believe they're emocore, find a reliable source for that assumption. Timmeh! 20:33, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

this band is pop punk.--Greenday21 (talk) 22:45, 6 May 2008 (UTC)Greenday21

The band has multiple genres. Pop Punk. Alternative Metal. Punk Rock. Just deal with the fact that some bands have more than one official genres. - -[The Spooky One] | ^{[t c r]} 03:44, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

and also, for those arguing saying that "Sum 41 isn't Pop Punk!", Sum 41 (along with Bands like Blink-182 )Invented the genre known as Pop Punk in the late 90's and early 00's. - -[The Spooky One] | ^{[t c r]} 03:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Issue with opening paragraph

As of July 23 2007, Sum 41 has 5 studio albums, and someone really should expand the section on the new studio album.

67.161.36.19 20:00, 25 July 2007 (UTC)RJ

Half Hour Of Power is an EP, as it is only half an hour (d'oh). Foreeye 10:12, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

i think that they are still punk rock. walking disaster, king of contradiction, Underclass hero, Count your last blessings [etc] are punk rock. User:kevinhwashere

Or maybe it is a full album, I dont know Foreeye 09:21, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Most of their albums previous to Underclass Hero were only about half an hour. But idk much about their pre-AKNF days. ╦ﺇ₥₥€Ԋ (talk) 14:30, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

HHOP was actually only 24 minutes long or so. The last track had 6 minutes of silence tacked on, because 24 minutes of POWER! just didn't fly...- -[The Spooky One] | ^{[t c r]} 04:04, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Genres

What the heck is everyones problem with genres. It just keeps changing. I personally think that if people are that obsessed with the genres, that they should know have to state a reliable source PROVING that that is the actual genre for Sum 41. For example if it says anywhare on Sum 41's website they are (genre) then put the source on the talk page.
Does anyone agree? -Posted by:ΡЦЛќ41^t̪ on 21:27, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

http://www.myspace.com/sum41 it says the sum 41 genres. rock, punk, alternative User:kevzilla8

Aye screw genres Foreeye 15:49, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Influence Green Day

Saying Chuck is the album where you can most here a Green Day influenceis bollocks it's probably the last of their albums youd compare with Green Day as it pisses all over anything billie joe can play on guitar.

Mwhaha yeah he really is a crap guitarist For comparison listen to green day plays heavy metal and sum 41 plays heavy metal A LOT of heavy metal fans said they would stop listening to metal and start listening to sum 41 after that show Foreeye 15:51, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

And sums recorded that piece after 2-3 years from their first ep, green day must have been at least 6 or so, but then deryck had his faithful dave to back him up then *sob*. Foreeye 15:53, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Sourced Genres

Someone needs to stop all these ips vandalizing the page and removing sourced genres. They need to be blocked if they won't stop, or someone needs to semi-protect the page please. Tim Y (talk) 22:24, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Steve or Stevo

During the 2007-present section, the name Stevo appears constantly. is that a typo?

No, it's not a typo. That's probably his most popular nickname. It's what most fans call him. Though Deryck and Cone just call him Steve. Timmeh! 20:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Don't forget Stevo32.. Or has that worn out by now? - -[The Spooky One] | ^{[t c r]} 20:21, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

New picture

Can someone find a new picture to put up of the band? The article needs one. Make sure it's free use (concert picture,etc.) so it doesn't get removed like the last one. If anyone has gone to one of their concerts recently, you could upload a picture you took, if you took any. Timmeh! 00:59, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I put one up, its horrible though. I think its just barely better than none at all. Sadly, this is probably the best one i took (out of ~35) Random89 20:50, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, at least we have something up now. If you happen to find any that are better, don't hesitate to put it in. Timmeh! 23:47, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Many different genres

i dont think that sum 41 is pop rock becuase then they would sound like fall out boy they are better described as hardcore punk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spagett (talk • contribs) 00:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Hardcore punk is an entirely different genre that includes bands like Black Flag and Circle Jerks, that type of music is much more fast paced and not as radio friendly as what Sum41 plays.Hoponpop69 (talk) 23:36, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

HHOP

whoever is doing it, please do NOT add HHOP to the Studio albums list. It is an EP, not a studio album. If you own HHOP, read the acknowledgements section. it clearly states "This EP is dedicated to the band Closet Mosnter".- -[The Spooky One] | ^{[t c r]} 20:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

You're right. HHOP is an EP. Amazon.com confirms it, although the band's official site doesn't label it as an EP for some reason. Timmeh! 22:12, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Something i noticed

just today i noticed that up until Chuck, Steve Jocz was on the cover of every album, is this worth mentioning anywhere? - -[The Spooky One] | ^{[t c r]} 02:27, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Don't think so, wouldn't say the information is significant to the development of the article. Seems almost like trivia.  Orfen  ^T • _C 03:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I also noticed that every single one of there studio albums charted #1 in Canada. I beleive THAT is worth mentioning. - -[The Spooky One] | ^{[t c r]} 03:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree, just find reliable sources and an appropriate place to put it unless it is already listed somewhere.  Orfen  ^T • _C 03:32, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Rewrites and Genres

While the article for Sum 41 is a great article, the corresponding articles for each band member are terrible and need to be re-written. See Deryck Whibley, Steve Jocz, Jason McCaslin & Dave Baksh. They sound like they were written by a small child... (no offense to small children)

also, as for the genres, who says you can only have 3 genres in the infobox? i propose adding "Alternative Metal" to the list and in small text next to it say (2003-2005) and for Pop Punk have (whenever-2003, 2006-present). Or we should just go back to the Disputed Genres link to the genres section that it was at a while back. - -[The Spooky One] | ^{[t c r]} 05:18, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Is the genre format in the infobox now good? It links to the musical styles section and looks a lot neater than when it had citations in it. Timmeh! 15:35, 12 June 2008 (UTC)