Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Discoveries

On this WP:WSS subpage, you can list stub types you encounter on Wikipedia that have not yet been listed on the official stub type list, but which do not meet the requirements for (or which you do not want to add to for other reasons to) stub types for deletion. Stubs that have been put on the stub types list without discussion on this page or /Proposals should be listed here as well.

Newly Discovered, May 2005

That was the tip of the iceberg

I've just gone through the whole of that list unearthed by BlankVerse... I think I need to go and have a lie down now. The following are 30 previously undiscovered stub templates:

Kerala Geo Stub

{{Kerala Geo Stub}}

User: Chakravyuh

29 March

30+

(Kerala, India)

Badly formed category

LACMTA-stub

{{LACMTA-stub}}

User: Pacific Coast Highway

30 April

1

(Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority)

No category

{{LACMTA-stub}} update

Still no category added for Template:LACMTA-stub (links, talk) but User:Pacific Coast Highway has started adding this stub to newly created articles—mostly station stubs for the various Metro Rail lines. My guess is that there are probably around 50 total stations, with only a few of them having the potential to grow larger than stub size. BlankVerse ∅ 11:16, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

MDpolitician-stub (*now on WP:SFD for renaming)

{{MDpolitician-stub}}

User: Tomf688

9 April

50+

(Maryland Politicians)

A few more

I used another method, searching for "Stub" in the Template: namespace (like this: [1]). Here goes:

nintendo-stub

{{nintendo-stub}}

User: Roadrunner3000

22 April

1

Nintendo

digi-stub

{{digi-stub}}

User: 210.0.177.84

19 April

4

Digimon

Was seriously considered before, category doesn't exist (and is singular). UPDATE: Renamed the category as per convention, held creation though lest we want to delete or merge it.

Comments

After Page 26, the search seems to break down. It shows more pages, but those don't give any results... This method of searching is also useful for finding stubs templates that still use {{metapicstub}} ([2]). I'll subst: those in when I find the time. -- grm_wnr Esc 14:32, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

{{MTR stub}} and {{KCR stub}}

Two new stubs on different Hong Kong transportation networks, created by our old friend Instantnood. Surely these would better have been served by a single template/category, rather than two separate ones? Also the names are not that hot - firstly the TLAs mean different things in different countries (I instantly wondered why the Motor Traders Association should have a stub category), and secondly, there's no hyphen, so that's another blow against the hoped-for uniformity. Grutness...wha? 01:38, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

The first was created by User:PZFUN, and the latter by User:Secfan. I guess neither of them have ever been involved in this WikiProject. The two stub templates are for anything related to the two metro networks, the light rail network by KCRC, property development (e.g. housing blocks, shopping centres) and anything else related to the two companies (e.g. investment overseas). Basically almost all stations are still stubs, but not all of them have been tagged with one of the two templates. — Instantnood 08:51, May 11, 2005 (UTC)

Apologies for the misattribution (you must have added the categories later, I think...). Still think they'd have done better with one template covering both, though. Grutness...wha? 05:49, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

I discovered the MTR template with no category (not the one for KCR), and therefore I created it. — Instantnood 12:58, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

Stubberg, Pt. 3

Umm, yes there are quite a few new ones.

model-stub

{{model-stub}}

User: DNewhall

12 May

2

Models

No stub category. Was actually listed at Wikipedia:Template_messages/Stubs.

afl-stub

{{afl-stub}}

User: The Brain of Morbius

19 May

4

Australian rules football

occult-stub

{{occult-stub}}

User: 67.51.137.39

7 May

34

Magic (paranormal)

This one may well be useful, if we can figure out a way to tie it into the hierarchy (it may be able to depopulate myth-stub a little, and also possibly new-age stubs). Grutness...wha? 7 July 2005 12:55 (UTC)

bike-stub

{{bike-stub}}

User: Happyfeet10

12 May

2

Bicycling or Bicycles

Feeds directly into Category:Transportation. Listed at Wikipedia:Template_messages/Stubs.

FR-stub

{{FR-stub}}

User: Erolos

16 May

11

Forgotten Realms

FR stands for Forgotten Realms (a Dungeons & Dragons setting). This stub has 18 articles in its associated category and has been around since May 15. --Allen3 ^talk July 6, 2005 01:29 (UTC)

FR has also been used for France previously (it's the standard ISO code), and could stand for any of a number of other things (clergymen, for instance, or Frame Relay technology). So the name's pretty awful to start with. Then there's the use of it - why would we have a stub type for one D&D setting when we haven't even got a separate D&D stub? (Come to think of it, an RPG-stub might be quite useful). Grutness...wha? 6 July 2005 01:36 (UTC)

During a scan of titles in Category:Game stubs I recognized 48 stubs for RPGs (mostly D&D and World of Darkness). Combining these with the 18 above leads me to beleive that a stub for RPGs has real potential to be useful (there were a lot of titles in the game category I did not recognize). --Allen3 ^talk July 6, 2005 02:43 (UTC)

A {{Fantasy-rpg-stub}} or simple {{Rpg-stub}} could be useful, then; the problem is the redundancy with {{fantasy-stub}}, as some elements of the Rpg's have been crafted into books et. al. (e.g. Drizzt Lectonar 13:42, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Vietnam war stubs

{{Vietnam-War-stubs}} (now on WP:SFD	User: Sherurcij	9 May	1	Vietnam War	No category, template name is plural.
{{Vietnam-war-stub}}	User: *Kat*	22 May	0	Vietnam War	The previous one done right.

Arizona State Route Stub

{{Arizona State Route Stub}}

User: Atanamir

16 May

7

Arizona State Routes

No hyphens, unconventional layout.

This template is similar in function to {{California State Highway Stub}} and the awaiting-approval {{Washington State Highway Stub}}. It is needed to sort out what articles need to be finished, especially for a WP (AZ has no WP for its state highways but CA and WA do, and it is assumed that AZ will get its own WP along with all the other 50 states). --Rschen7754 19:54, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

We should also decide whether these need renaming to be more in line with other stub names (Arizona-stateroute-stub, for example) Grutness...wha? 06:28, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

If we rename the template that means that we have to go through and change every CA state highway (and there's at least 300 articles) to have the different tag, as well as the 5020 or so WA articles, and who knows aboutthe 10 or so in Arizona? Anyone interested in the work?--Rschen7754

Pakistan-econ-stub (*on SFD)

{{Pakistan-econ-stub}}

User: Egalitus

13 May

5

Pakistani economy

Two categories, one specific one and its parent Category:Economics and finance stubs

Indian-movie-stub

{{Indian-movie-stub}}

User: DuKot

15 May

2

Indian movies

Feeds into film-stub category

Comments

Okay. here's mytake on a few of these:

• Occult stub - duplicates magic-stub and para-stub. delete
• model-stub - ambiguous. Starlets or aircraft? - rename, at the very least

This looks like a keeper, I stumbled upon it while browsing people stubs and found use for it. I fixed it up now, should be okay. I'd keep the redirect because we're unlikely to actually have many non-bio model stubs, or at least I can't imagine many :) --Joy [shallot] 18:14, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Parasite-stub - fits nicely alongside things like bacteria-stub in bio-sci.. keep
• the Vietnam war ones - we were discussing creating this recently. Vietnam-war-stub is the better named one. The other one can go, since it's not used.
• FR-stub - badly named, as the tfd-candidates FR-actor-stub and FR-bio-stub (for France) show. delete or at least rename
• developer-stub and MSDN-stub. Trust a developer to get it wrong :). Aren't these already covered by various other stubs?
• Monorail-stub - covered by rail-stub delete

Grutness...wha? 01:36, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Newly discovered, June 2005

{{SA Route Stub}}

Steel yourself... it's hard to find a single thing right about this one. Malformed name, feeds into two categories (South Africa stubs and Road stubs) but doesn't have one of its own. used on a mind numbing 160 articles (2/3 of the total number in Category:South Africa stubs) each of which is a one line article best served as part of a list. If it wasn't so much work I'd be sending all the articles over to vfd for merging. This is very depressing. Grutness...wha?</font> 12:55, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

{{Eris-stub}} / Category:Discordianism stubs

Added to WP:WSS/ST. Only used in one article. --TheParanoidOne 12:29, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This one's been known about for some time, and I';m fairly sure it went to tfd and cfd and was voted for deletion (can't swear to that - it's a while ago). So what it's still doing around is a mystery... Grutness...wha? 13:43, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It was being contrary and un-deleted itself, maybe ;). Courtland 13:58, 2005 Jun 21 (UTC)

Regarding TheParanoidOne's comment on my talk page, I did not add {{Eris-stub}} to the list; Grutness did on March 19 2005[3]. I merely updated the count.

According to my research, the {{Eris-stub}} template and associated category were created on February 6 2005. On February 12, RJFJR suggested that it should be deleted[4]. All of the (3) people who commented agreed. Ceyockey asked if the template and category should be listed on tfd and cfd on March 6, and, before anyone answered, archived the discussion on March 16. I can't find it in the tfd log, so I presume nobody bothered to actually nominate it for deletion. If somebody wants to do so now, please let me know so that I can go vote to keep it. — The Storm Surfer 16:38, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

My mistake. The fact that I had never seen it on the list before made me incorrectly assume that it was being newly added. --TheParanoidOne 17:02, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No worries :)

I don't if it went through the proper channels for a new stub category, or what those channels would be. — The Storm Surfer 20:21, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

See the note at the top of the page: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Criteria#Proposing_new_stubs_-_procedure. Grutness...wha? 02:35, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Category:Basic category stubs

Hmm. That one is tricky. It's linked from Wikipedia:Template messages/Stubs/Templates, where a template example generates it. Someone created it and even I even found an article in it. Of course, it's completely useless, but if deleted it might still be recreated. I put a message to that effect on it for now and removed it from Category:Stub categories. Delete or simply keep and ignore? -- grm_wnr Esc 15:13, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Someone with more admining experience than me will know for sure, but I believe there's a way of deleting and protecting the deletion... don't know if this would qualify for that treatment though. Grutness...wha? 02:40, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Newly discovered, July 2005

{{AM-stub}} and {{FM-stub}}

{{FM-stub}}:

• Created by User:Radiojon on 20 June
• Does not have its own category, but points at Category:Station stubs which is being depopulated at the moment.
• So far only 2 articles are using the template
• Though there are many many articles that could be labeled with this template, the utility of the label is really questionable.
• I will convert this to a redirect pointing at {{US-bcast-stub}} and talk with the creator about what to do next.

Courtland 02:22, 2005 Jun 22 (UTC)
I've decided to sit tight and see what activity transpires in the use of the template over the next couple of days; if nothing, then that will add significant ammunition to a deletion proposal. Courtland 17:23, 2005 Jun 22 (UTC)

Sometime soon well be in a position to simply send them to sfd. (the templates, that is - not the creators of them :) Grutness...wha? 03:15, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

From WP:SFD (deletion of {{station-stub}} & Category:Station stubs, which is now logged, so I'm posting this here):

• • I've updated Category:Technology stubs and {{AM-stub}} and {{FM-stub}} to reflect the impending deletion of this template and category. Courtland June 30, 2005 22:44 (UTC)
    • Well done, but {{AM-stub}} and {{FM-stub}} shouldn't use the same category... -- grm_wnr Esc 1 July 2005 08:19 (UTC)

They're not on the stub types list, but seem useful (haven't reallylooked into the matter, though). Right now, they both use Category:Broadcasting stubs. If we keep them, they each need their own category. -- grm_wnr Esc 1 July 2005 09:12 (UTC)

{{Video game music composer-stub}} / No associated category

Created by User:Tedius Zanarukando on the 17th of June. Used by 4 articles according to "What links here". --TheParanoidOne 5 July 2005 21:50 (UTC)

• Sometimes you gotta wonder why people go to the effort. --YixilTesiphon July 8, 2005 23:21 (UTC)

{{docu-stub}}

Comes complete with Category:Documentary stubs, a redirect at {{documentary-stub}} and 20 articles. I'm not listing this one on SFD because it's actually a good idea and takes films out of {{film-stub}}, which is massive. If noone has any complaints I'm going to put it into the list and sorting it into the category hierarchy. -- grm_wnr Esc 6 July 2005 12:20 (UTC)

Out of film-stub? So this is for film documentaries not TV documentaries? Or is it for both? I think it's probably a keeper, but it might need a bit of a tweak before listing to say exactly what goes in here and what doesn't. Grutness...wha? 7 July 2005 09:15 (UTC)

Four redirects to this have been created today by an anon user: {{docu-stubs}}, {{docu stubs}}, {{documentary-stubs}} and {{documentary stubs}}. --TheParanoidOne 23:53, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

{{firearms-stub}}

Same as above, well done, with Category:Firearms stubs and 105 articles. Subcategorizes {{weapon-stub}} (434 articles at the moment). A keeper and going on the list, unless someone thinks otherwise. -- grm_wnr Esc 6 July 2005 13:15 (UTC)

• Looking further, it seems that {{weapon-stub}} contains little apart from stuff that could go into {{firearms-stub}}. Maybe firearms-stub should be renamed {{small-arms-stub}}, to keep the heavy weaponry in weapon-stub? -- grm_wnr Esc 6 July 2005 13:20 (UTC)
• I agree with rename to small-arms-stub. Stubs should be specific enough to not be confused with any other stub category, but broad enough to be inclusive of articles in need of such a stub. inigmatus 21:49, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
• keep as firearms, then generate a second stub for heavier weapons which could inlcude missiles, artillery etc. mil-ship-stub could then also become a subset if needed.GraemeLeggett 10:09, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
• keep per Graeme. I am rather astonished nobody asked me. My chief problem with creating that stub was that I didn't know where to draw the distinction between a "firearm" and a "heavy weapon." Is a 40mm bofors a "firearm"? My guess was no, but I couldn't find anything that made a distinction. I stayed away from the heavy weapons, and simply categorized most man-portable powder-charge weapons as firearms. What I was trying to do is move a lot of the smaller arms, like the M14, out of "mil stub" because they are not strictly military weapons (I for one own an M14). Avriette 19:45, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

{{Ayyavazhi-stub}}

Haven't a clue. Seems to be religion related, and have about 50 articles. Anyone know anything about this one? Grutness...wha? 06:15, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

{{loco-stub}}

...and its category, Category:Locomotive stubs, a child of Category:Rail stubs. Seems to be quite useful and is used by over 50 articles. Grutness...wha? 08:29, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Not new, it's been around (and listed on WP:WSS/ST) for a while. Conscious 14:12, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

... which only goes to show that a wikiholic who seems to spend his entire life at WP:WSS can miss 'em too! Grutness...wha? 01:35, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

I see loco, I think crazy first, train second. :) --TheParanoidOne 20:09, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

{{Serbia-stub}}

Serbia-stub (and its category, Serbia-related stubs). Looks to be well used... the one minor niggle with this is that the geographical equivalent is SM-geo-stub (Serbia and Montenegro geography stubs), which therefore covers the whole federation. Grutness...wha? 01:35, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

{{Dj-stub}}

Dj-stub, leading to Category:DJs stubs has just been created. Would any of those involved int he split-up of Musician stubs like to comment on this one? Grutness...wha? 06:50, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Actually, it points to Category:Hip hop DJs stubs which only contains 2 articles. I've only encountered a few DJs through my recent musician-stub visits. There might be sufficient articles to warrant a DJ-stub (note the case!) but narrowing down to Hip Hop immediately seems a little ... premature. Either way, if this is kept, the template and category will need to have consistent text. --TheParanoidOne 20:05, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Of the two, I'd rename the category, for the reasons you give, and also because the plural looks clunky. There should also be consistency between the capitalisation (which may mean redirecting the template - DJ is pretty near universal rather than Dj, I think). Grutness...wha? 01:22, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Agreed about the category - it should be a child of Category:DJs first.

I think the name actually aimed for dj-stub, all lowercase. I moved it, so both works now. --Joy [shallot] 01:28, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

{{Systems-stub}} / Category:Systems Thinking stubs

Added to WP:WSS/ST today by User:John Abbe. Category and template created by the same user and contains one article. (The template was actually created while I was writing this!). This category also seems to belong to the redlink Category:Systems Thinking category. --TheParanoidOne 22:28, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether to comment much on this one, since I haven't the faintest idea what the category name means. Looks like it may be connected with AI, but also with zoology and psychology and... do we need this one? Grutness...wha? 02:40, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Right, systems thinking is inter-disciplinary. This arose because i saw stigmergy categorized in biology, which is clearly insufficient as most of the recent interest in the term is outside the realm of biology. There are many articles on Wikipedia that would fit in the category of systems thinking - e.g. systems, emergence, complex systems, cybernetics. I was surprised the category didn't exist yet. Whether or not i get around to tagging them all, someone will/should, and the stub template will be handy. --John Abbe

None of the articles you mentioned appear to be stub articles though, so they wouldn't be tagged as such. So while a general category for this subject might be appropriate, a stub type seems a little premature. --TheParanoidOne 09:46, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

In any case, that's what multiple stubbing's for. If it applies to computers as well as biology, give it both stubs. Grutness...wha? 12:48, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

{{Robertehoward-stub}}/Category:Robert E. Howard stubs

A specific author. I was surprised that there were as many articles in the category as there are (29). —Cryptic (talk) 15:17, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

So far the category seems to contain books written by the author rather than articles related to the author himself, so the stub seems a little misleading. "Robert E Howard books ..." would be a more appropriate title. Given that this is a child of {{book-stub}}, the split by genre mentioned in that category makes a lot more sense at this stage. Divide things up in big chunks rather than immediately drill down to individual authors.

I have removed it from WP:WSS/ST for the moment. --TheParanoidOne 11:38, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

{{Looney-tunes-stub}}

I found {{Looney-tunes-stub}} (Category:Looney Tunes stubs) on 21 July 2005; I added it (along with {{Hanna-Barbera-stub}}) to WP:WSS/ST. The Looney Tunes template was created on July 19 2005 by Roadrunner3000. Category:Looney Tunes stubs is a subcategory of Category:Animation stubs, and it has 17 articles. I also removed {{cartoon-stub}} and replaced it with {{animation-stub}} on WP:WSS/ST because the cartoon stub is now a redirect. In addition, I added the redirect information to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Stub_redirects. — Fingers-of-Pyrex 21:12, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Agronomy-stub

Hey everyone - Im very much a newbie and a lurker so I hope I do this right. Someones just added Template:Agronomy-stub to the list of stubs. It looks like it doesnt go to a seperate category. Does it need fixing? BL Lacertae 10:06, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

It does indeed have a category: Agronomy stubs. It was just added to the list badly.

However it does need "fixing" (after a fashion) because it was created today by User:Germen without going through the procedure listed above. Quite frankly, I'm not sure if it's even needed.

It is currently used on two articles (both created by Germen). The bucket chosen for the list (<100) made me think there might have been more.

I will remove it from the list for the moment. --TheParanoidOne 12:07, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

{{Final Fantasy-stub}}

I just found it and added to the list, since it's good to go: Nearly 50 articles (probably more), well-defined scope, has a WikiProject, name and category are fine. Has two nonstandard redirects pointing at it, though: Template:FinalFantasy stub and Template:Final Fantasy stub. -- grm_wnr Esc 18:58, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Actually, the main template name is also nonstandard - it should be {{FinalFantasy-stub}}. Grutness...wha? 01:28, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

{{SaGa-stub}}

Created awhile back, but there simply isn't enough coverage for this series of games for it to deserve its own stub type. Just added since I only now figured out how to add a stub type here. Also, I mistakenly created Category:SaGa stubs awhile back manually. Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 20:04, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

{{Golf-stub}}

Been around for a month, but only made it to the stub list today. Nicely formed, nice category, nice number of articles. generally nice, in fact. Only problem is that 3/4 of the 60 articles with this stub are actually golfers, and therefore should have some form of bio-stub (Golf-bio-stub or Golfer-stub). Grutness...wha? 14:03, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

{{finland-musician-stub}}

Created on July 4th 2005 by User:Easyas12c. Used by 15 articles. This stub type is certainly correctly constructed, but I'm not sure if it is necessary or desirable. It is used by only a handfull of articles and goes against the current breakdown scheme of musician type rather than nationality. --TheParanoidOne 21:20, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

{{OCTA-stub}}

As I've mentioned above, there probably aren't enough stubs for Orange County, California to warrant its own stub, so the Orange County Transportation Authority certainly doesn't need one. This was created by an anon 204.108.96.10 (t c) who has been adding lots of miscellaneous nonsense to articles (like adding the auto-stub template to major auto company articles!). BlankVerse ∅ 14:49, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Sounds like a perfect candidate for sfd to me... Grutness...wha? 19:57, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

{{compu-fs-stub}} / Computer file system stubs

Added to WP:WSS/ST by User:ZeroOne today. Used by ~20 articles. Both apparently created by User:MediaWiki default on the 28th. I'm not quite sure what's going on there. --TheParanoidOne 19:27, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

{{mahjong stub}} / Category:Mahjong stubs

Umm yeah. Created 14 July by User:Mcy jerry. Missing hyphen, but the rest formally alright. But, Mahjong stubs? Isn't that a little specific? Currently 7 articles in it, and quite frankly I'm amazed there are even that many. -- grm_wnr Esc 00:29, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

I'd suggest mrging it with Board-game-stub. I doubt it'll ever get near criteria. Grutness...wha? 03:35, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

This one's heading to sfd, anyway. Grutness...wha? 10:48, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Newly discovered, August 2005

The geo-stubs that annoyed me

Time to reveal the full details of what sent me screaming from Wikipedia a couple of weeks back. User:Tobias Conradi proposed the introduction of several new stub categories for South American countries at Category talk:Geography stubs. I calmly explained that two of the countries he was suggesting new categories for came close to our criteria, but that if he wanted to propose them he could do so at WP:WSS where, after a week, if there were no objections, they would be created. The following day I discovered that, despite being told how these things were done, he had gone ahead and created:

• Ecuador-geo-stub (85 articles)
• Venezuela-geo-stub (58 articles)
• Colombia-geo-stub (82 articles)
• Guyana-geo-stub (13 articles)
• Uruguay-geo-stub (38 articles)
• Paraguay-geo-stub (60 articles)

The user who created them all seems - by accounts from a large number of other wikipedians - to not really understand what is meant by consensus and not realising that "be bold" has limitations to its use. I strongly suspect he may well do the same thing with other countries shortly. Grutness...wha? 03:35, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

{{El Salvador-bcast-stub}} + {{Guatemala-bcast-stub}}

Plus the associated category: Category:El Salvador broadcasting stubs. Brought to us by the same troublesome editor (ronald20 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) who brought us {{OCTA-stub}}. The stub is used on exactly one article currently. Because of other edits, I've reported the editor to WP:VIP several times, but he still hasn't been blocked or banned. BlankVerse ∅ 14:18, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

The same editor has now created Template:Guatemala-bcast-stub (links, talk) along with Category:Guatemala broadcasting stubs, and will probably work their way through all of Central America. Unfortunately it won't do any good to leave a message on their talk page because they never respond to their talk page messages. BlankVerse ∅ 21:22, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

As I know BlankVerse is aware, Ronald20 is a pain of the magnitude of Maoririder as far as failing to understand wiki procedures is concerned. Watch out for more "help" from this contributor. Grutness...wha? 00:48, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

{{Saudi-stub}}

For articles to do with Saudi Arabia. leads to the well-formatted Category: Saudi Arabia stubs, which has 22 articles already, even though this was only created today. Should get enough articles to reach criterion level, but it would have been nice if this had been debated first! I've left a note on its creator User:Eagleamn's talk page. Grutness...wha? 07:18, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

User:Maoririder's contributions

DES already mentioned {{mountain-stub}}, {{Oregon-stub}} and {{Kansas-stub}} as having been created by User:Maoririder without proposing them prior to creation. There are more:

• {{restaurant-stub}} (wording could do with improvement and the stub tag leads to no category) (edited, formatted, categorized and put to use)
• {{fictional-place stub}}
• {{MainePBS-stub}}
• {{PBSKids-stub}}
• {{Basketballbio-stub}} (shouldn't there have been a dash between basketball and bio?)
• {{Football-position stub}}

Aecis 17:36, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

And another one: {{Knife-stub}}. Aecis 18:16, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

I have cleaned up {{restaurant-stub}} and put it to use. Aecis 23:19, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Basketballbio-stub is an OK name (sports biographies don't have a hyphen, to keep them in line with things like writer-stub and the like), but we use hoops-stub for basketball, so it should be {{hoopsbio-stub}} for consistency (actually, that seems to already exist). Other than that and restaurant-stub, the rest look pretty useless. Grutness...wha?

A few more for Maoririder's hall of shame:

• {{Bakery-stub}}
• {{Event-stub}}
• {{Jockey-stub}}
• {{Musicbio-stub}}
• {{Fungus-stub}}
• {{Fictionalplace-stub}}
• {{Route-stub}}

Jockey-stub could well answer one of the proposals on the Porposal page, if it gets a category. I've redirected Musicbio-stub to Musician-stub, and done the same with redirecting Fungus-stub to Fungi-stub (actually, it's the better name of the two). I speedy-deleted event-stub (re-creation of a deleted template). The rest though... Grutness...wha? 11:30, 4 August 2005 (UTC) Grutness...wha? 11:30, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

• {{Fictionalplace-stub}} might actually be useful if properly propsed and formated, probably renamed to {{Fict-place-stub}}, particularly after we create {{fic-char-stub}} which has been proposed for well over a week now. I'm not sure how many stubs this would apply to but there might well be enough for it to be useful. DES ^(talk) 15:45, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
  • It's been created previously (top of this section), as {{fictional-place stub}}. --TheParanoidOne 20:03, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
• Properly formatted, that would make sense, although {{fict-place-stub}} might be a better name for it to end up, to keep it in line with fict-char-stub. Or maybe even fict-geo-stub. Route-stub could probably just be redirected to road-stub for now, too. Grutness...wha? 01:18, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Update: Maoririder (t c) now has an RFC filed on him if anyone wants to add comments or evidence. BlankVerse ∅ 18:34, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

{{Denmark-bio-stub}}

This one seemed obvious enough that I decided to be bold and create it. At a glance, more than half of the ~260 articles with {{dk-stub}} could use this, plus many more from {{bio-stub}}. —PrologFan {Talk} 21:02, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Seems like a fairly obvious one. If it lowers the load on dk-stub, maybe that can then go for renaming more easily, too. Grutness...wha? 01:13, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

{{HI-stub}}

Brilliant. A wikipedian decides to ignore the long-established {{Hawaii-stub}} and create a totally separate one with the unlikely name of HI-stub. I've redirected this one to the older one (which needed a bit of fixing anyway). HI-stub should almost certainly be taken to sfd. Not only is it an ambiguous name but it's hardly an easily guessable one (why HI??? Surely the usual abbreviation for Hawaii is HW?) Grutness...wha? 14:34, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

• Actually, HI is the postal abbreviation for Hawaii. Regardless, I do agree that it is otherwise unclear and could be deleted.--Mitsukai 18:38, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

{{anthropologist-stub}}

Properly created, with category (altho I clarified the text and changed the parent categories...), but without any apparent debate on /Proposals, with the exception of a mention at /Proposals#anthropology-stub; also not listed on the stub list. Could probably get enough articles, tho. --Mairi 22:41, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

{{Venezuela-bio-stub}}

Created by Alex Coiro (talk · contribs) and added to Category:People stubs. Redlink category. Used by no articles. {{WPSS-cat}} on that category page completely ignored, it seems. --TheParanoidOne 10:41, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

And there are only 9 biographies in Category:Venezuela-related stubs. Aecis 16:19, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

{{LADOT-stub}}

Another Ronald20 (talk · contribs) creation (#4). There is no category, and no article currently has the stub. The stub, if used, would have some overlap with the already created {{LACMTA-stub}}, but I think neither of the stubs will have enough articles to justify their existence and therefore should be deleted. BlankVerse ∅ 04:44, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Personally, i don't see much use for either, but there is a South california wikiproject and LACMTA has at least got some articles - and a category. This latest one, though... hit it on the head before it injures someone. Grutness...wha? 04:52, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

As a participant in the SoCal WikiProject, I say delete both of them. The articles with LACMTA-stub can be double-stubbed with the new SoCal geo stub plus the metro-stub (the later probably being the more important stub since it seems to be mostly NY metro enthusiasts who have been creating and editing the LACMTA station articles).

re: Ronald20: I just left a message on his Talk page about creating new stubs, although I doubt that it will do any good. BlankVerse ∅ 05:27, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Rwanda-geo-stub

Of all the possible African countries to create a geo-stub for, User:TreveX chose one of the ones with the fewest geo-stubs - twelve at last count. Absolutely pointless, especially since it is split from the least populated section of African geo-stubs, Cental Africa (TreveX may not have realised this, since he made it a subcategory of East Africa, despite the wording of the articles on East Africa and Central Africa, and the wording of their respective stub categories). The best thing that can be said of this is that it is correctly formatted. Grutness...wha? 06:20, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Seems he also created Rwanda-stub. May be savable, since they'd be more effort to get rid of than keep. We'll have to see whetheer they grow or not, I suppose... Grutness...wha? 12:05, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

{{Estonia-bio-stub}}

Another new one to the bio-stub list: Estonia this time. Are there currently 60-100 Estonians with stub articles? Good question - perhaps the stub's creator, User:PeepP, knows of that many. Having said that, the stub type is well formed, and there are some 30 articles in the category, so... Grutness...wha? 12:25, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

I didn't actually create it. I have been using it for some time, and I added it to the list in Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Stub_types, thinking that it was just an error that it wasn't listed there, though it existed. I think the category is useful, since 30 is already quite a big number, and there will hopefully be more articles about Estonian people (I intend on writing new ones in the future). PeepP 12:35, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

Okay - well, firstly apologies for my assumption, based on you adding it to the list (I should have checked the history). As to the stub itself, 30 wouldn't be enough for a new stub to be created, but if the number is growing... The gereal rule of thumb with this project seems to be not to create if there are less than 60-100 stubs already existing, but if something's discovered we take future potential into account more, since it would be more work to delete it then create it again later than just have it hanging around slowly building. If a category hasn't built up in a couple of months someone is likely to suggest taking it to WP:SFD, but this one does seem to have potential for growth. Grutness...wha? 13:50, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

{{State forest-stub}}

{{State forest-stub}} was created by UniReb on 2005-08-11 along with Category:State forest stubs. This is similar to {{State park-stub}}. The category currently contains 17 articles, but it has potential to grow. — Fingers-of-Pyrex 13:01, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

• Actually.... I've been wondering about State park-stub for a while. Not only is it badly named, but does it really serve any purpose that couldn't be better served by the individual state stubs? I'm not strongly for or against it, but I do wonder whether it's useful or whether it creates an extra problem by cutting across the hierarchy we have. If we don't like river and mountain stubs, why do we have these ones? Plus I occasionally fish out parks from outside the US from the State park category (it is an US-only designation AFAIK). Grutness...wha? 14:12, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

In my opinion, it would indeed be better to put state parks and state forests in the state (or region) geo stub category. — Fingers-of-Pyrex 14:56, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

{{Pokesectstub}} / Category:Pages with Pokémon section stubs

So, it has finally happened. We got our first topical section stub. Do we like them? I tend to think not. That could possibly double the number of stub types :/ -- grm_wnr Esc 21:08, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Sooner or later this had to happen, I suppose. And the generic sectstub IS generic... it doesn't help out much. But - unless someone wants to set up a whole parallel project for sectstub sorting, I'd be very tempted to hit this one on the head. Grutness...wha? 23:22, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

{{Tv-episode-stub}}

Only used in 1 article, but there's certainly more suitable articles. Ought to be named {{Tvepisode-stub}} tho, I think. Also lacks a category. --Mairi 07:22, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

{{tea-stub}} / Category:Tea stubs

And {{tea stub}}, a redirect to it. Only has 19 articles; was created a month ago. --Mairi 07:41, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

If the category were edited to Category:Tea and coffee stubs, with the same template, this might be usable to ease the load in Category:Drink stubs. I don't know how many coffee-related articles there are in that stub category, I hope to have the count finished tonight or tomorrow. There are also several tea-related stubs in the Category:Drink stubs that could be {{tea-stub}}bed. So this one has potential. Aecis 12:40, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

ISTR when I was changing food-stub to drink-stub on articles about a month back that there wre quite a lot of coffee stubs. I'm surprised that there are as many as 19 tea stubs, but using it for coffee as well might well double it. Grutness...wha? 13:00, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't think it will be much of an effort to have this category reach the threshold. I think it would be best to create two separate templates ({{tea-stub}} and {{coffee-stub}}) feeding into one category (Category:Tea and coffee stubs). Aecis 13:19, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Not often done, although there's no reason why it shouldn't be - and it would make it easier to split later if needed (although I really can't see that happening). The other option would be to have one as a redirect and word the template so that it refers to both tea and coffee. Grutness...wha? 13:39, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

I have now gone through Category:Drink stubs and Category:Coffee, and I have thusfar found 8 tea-related stubs and 24 coffee-related stubs. This would mean that there would be 51 articles in the new stub category. I still need to go through Category:Tea, and Category:Drink stubs needs closer inspection. Aecis 22:35, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

{{Netherlands-rail-stub}} / Category:Netherlands rail stubs

Seems to have been created out of process, used in only 5 articles. Created last Saturday by User:Our Phellap. Aecis 11:26, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Well yes and no. There was discussion of this one on the Proposals page, though the discussion was a bit ambivalent as to whether it should be made immediately or after a count to see whether it was needed. Looks like OurPhellap has gone ahead anyway. Probably won't be too much harm in it, but it'll be worth watching to see whether it grows or stagnates. Grutness...wha? 13:05, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

{{RAF-stub}} / Category:RAF stubs

Apparently means the Royal Air Force. Created in May, has 8 articles. Might be able to get enough articles; {{mil-stub}} is rather large. The category isn't placed anywhere in the stub hierarchy tho. --Mairi 00:18, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Not entirely unabiguous, though I doubt there'd be many stubs for the Red Army Faction, and I suspect that RAF is knowen internationally to mean the Royal Air Force. Probably a useful category to have, though I don't know enough about what mil-stubs there are to really judge that accurately. Grutness...wha? 02:12, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

{{Manitoba-stub}}

Feeds into Category:Canada-related stubs. On 1 article. Could only find 5 more suitable articles in that category; atleast 44 in Category:Canada geography stubs (so a Manitoba-geo-stub might be useful). --Mairi 00:18, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

As of August 4 there were 53 Manitoba geo-stubs. Of the unsplit Canadian provinces and territories, saskatchewan would be next in line for a split, followed by Nunavut, with Manitoba third (this excludes those with the maritimes-geo-stub). For full details of all un-split geographical regions, see User:Grutness/Geo-stub tallying. Grutness...wha? 01:07, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

{{JNB-stub}} / Category:Johannesburg stubs

Other than the name (apparently JNB is the airport code for the main airport there...), looks to be useful and worth keeping, with 300-some articles. --Mairi 00:18, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

True, but man oh man could that template do with a rename! I think I'll be bold and move it to Johannesburg-stub. Grutness...wha? 01:14, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I've also changed the category parent from Category:South Africa-related stubs to Category:South Africa geography stubs, since everything in there is either a geo-stub or a struct-stub. Grutness...wha? 01:24, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

{{Submarine-stub}} / Category:Submarine stubs

Apparently created out-of-process, but has 30 articles. I went ahead and added it to Category:Stub categories and Category:Submarines, but other than that it looks fine. Might have hard time getting too many more articles, tho. --Mairi 20:41, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

• This is one type of "Sub stub" that can probably stay :) Grutness...wha? 00:44, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

{{Cambodia-stub}} / Category:Cambodia-related stubs

With redirects Category:Cambodia stubs (...which redirects to a template), {{Cambodia stub}}, {{Cambodia-stubs}}, {{Cambodia stubs}} (all redirects unused). Has 30 articles. Pending decision on Category:Stubs by region, one of the categories ought to go. Probably no reason to keep the plural templates either, especially since they're orphaned. --Mairi 20:41, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

The redirects should definitely go IMO - none of them is well-named, and they're all orphaned. I think, given the straw vote on the X or X-region question that we'll probably end up with Category:Cambodia stubs. Pobably best handled through sfd, though. Grutness...wha? 02:54, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

{{Singapore MRT-stub}}

Has 49 articles, all are about stations. No linked category until I added it to category:Singapore MRT stubs just now. — Instantnood 06:51, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

Badly formatted name ({{Singapore-metro-stub}} would be far better) and all the articles will need null edits. Sigh. Grutness...wha? 05:51, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

MRT is the name of the metro system in Singapore. By the way the template has been edited by another user to link to category:Mass Rapid Transit (Singapore) stubs. 23 articles are now displayed in this category. — Instantnood 09:51, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

No doubt it is - but, like all of the other rapid transit systems (all of which have misnamed stub types, IMO, it would make more sense if the stub template had a more consistent name. I'd far prefer the london underground stub template to be called London-metro-stub than its current LUL-stub, for instance, eben though I know that no-one in London talks of the metro (it's the tube). As it is, I';ve tidied up the template a bit (adding the hyphen to at least keep it in line with stub naming guidelines and moving the category back to your original name for it). I've also created the category and started on the neecessary edits to make the articles actually appear in it. Grutness...wha? 10:14, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

{{Street-stub}} / Category:Street stubs

4 articles. — Instantnood 16:38, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

Now redirected to road stub and orphaned. Grutness...wha? 05:48, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

{{dinosaur-stub}} / Dinosaur stubs

Created by User:Agentsoo on 3rd August. Used on ~30 stubs. Added to stub types list today. Well formed as far as I can see. --TheParanoidOne 20:11, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

It was also lacking any parent categories in the stub hierarchy, but I want ahead and added them. --Mairi 20:23, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Looks fine, but I hope whoever sorts into this knows what prehistoric reptiles are or aren't dinosaurs. No pterodactyls, ichthyosaurs or mammal-like reptiles, please! (That was part of the reason WP:WSS decided against creating this category in the past!) Grutness...wha? 05:54, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

{{church-stub}} / Category:Church stubs

Created a week ago, has 1 article. Mentioned on WP:WSS/P, but without any decision. Probably ought to be broadened to reli-struct-stub, to include non-Christian religious buildings (or else create that as seperate parent category). --Mairi 21:30, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

definitely should be reli-struct-stub, since churches are far from the only religiou structure we have stubs for (although they'd probably be the one we've got most of)> If this one's for keeping, it should be split quickly into US, UK, Euro etc (particularly UK - we have possibly hundreds of UK-reli-struct-stubs). Grutness...wha? 05:35, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

The categories Christianity-related stubs, Catholic-related stubs and Anglican-related stubs contain countless stub articles about church buildings. This category can definitely easily be filled. It might become a daughter of reli-struct-stub (with mosque-stub being another daughter, if there are enough stubs for that category), but I think this category is specific enough with enough relevant articles to have a template and category of its own. Aecis 09:43, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

That is a good point. There are enough non-Christian stubs for reli-struct-stub, so having that and church-stub wouldn't be a problem (I only found 34 stubs in Category:Mosques and it's children, so we don't need a mosque-stub yet). If we're keeping church-stub, I think the text ought to be expanded to something like "This article about a Christian church, temple, meetinghouse or other place of worship is a stub...", as not all Christian places of worship are called churches. --Mairi 20:36, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

{{India-film-stub}} / Category:Indian film stubs

Created a couple weeks ago, has 9 articles. Might be able to get enough articles, but we've begun splitting film-stub by genre, not nationality. --Mairi 20:31, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

There's an {{indian-movie-stub}} further up on the page, just for that added touch of stub type redundancy :) --TheParanoidOne 22:00, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Well that's nice. I'll go ahead and redirect {{indian-movie-stub}} to {{india-film-stub}}, since if we want either, it's almost certainly the latter one that we'd want. --Mairi 22:06, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

...especially since the note further up the page indicates that there is no Category:Indian movie stubs. It might be posible to argue that "Indian films" is just about a separate genre, but if you regarded it as such then Bollywood-stub would probably be the more logical name to stop further splits by nationality. Grutness...wha? 00:35, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

I went thru Category:Indian films (and its subcategories), and found about 110 stubs. However, not all of them are Bollywood films, but there might be enough to warrant a Bollywood-stub (or Bollywood-film-stub, so it doesn't get actors and film directors too). Some of the films would have other appropriate genre stubs too but that isn't necessarily a problem. --Mairi 01:13, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

{{France-noble-stub}} / Category:French nobility stubs

Created a month ago, but orphaned. Other than apparently not being proposed, looks like they were created properly. I don't know whether they're worth keeping or not --Mairi 02:36, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

{{Serbia and Montenegro-stub}} / Category:Serbia and Montenegro-related stubs

Horribly long name (the corresponding geo stub is {{SM-geo-stub}}); used on only 4 articles and created out of process apparently. --Mairi 03:47, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

note that we recently also had {{Serbia-stub}} on this page. We clearly don't need both. IMO this could be redirected to SM-stub, but I suspect that that wouldn't be a wise move because of, erm, other possible meanings of that term! The spaces in the name are wrong though: {{SerbiaMontenegro-stub}} might be a better name if it's kept. Grutness...wha? 02:12, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

{{Portugal-royal-stub}} / (no category)

And it's orphaned redirect {{Portugal-noble-stub}}. Used on 35 articles. Used to have the category Category:Portuguese nobility, but I changed that to Category:European nobility stubs so it's atleast a stub category. If it's to be kept, it ought to be cleared up whether it's for royalty or nobility (the name indicates royalty, everything else nobility). --Mairi 04:07, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Should be cleared up (do we have any Portuguese nobility experts who could help with that here at WSS?), but probably useful. Grutness...wha? 02:12, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

{{Scarface-stub}} / (no category)

From the same editor who created {{Hot Jewish Actress-stub}}, Wiki brah (t c). I think that this editor may be another potential Ronald20 or Maoririder. BlankVerse ∅ 09:58, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Allez au la page du deletion! Grutness...wha? 02:12, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

{{Crab-stub}} / Crab stubs

Created today by User:80.255. Added to Invertebrate stubs by User:Stemonitis. Only used on 11 articles. Might possibly have enough stubs eventually, but {{crustacean-stub}} would be preferable as per the discussion at WP:WSS/P. --TheParanoidOne 20:55, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. Redirect? Grutness...wha? 02:12, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. I intend to create crustacean-stub in a few days. Once that's been done, I'll redirect this. --TheParanoidOne 05:19, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

{{Crustacean-stub}} would be good, but if you want to split {{invertebrate-stub}}, it would be best to do it consistently. I would suggest at least {{worm-stub}} (massively polyphyletic but perhaps better than nothing) and {{mollusc-stub}} alongside {{crustacean-stub}}.

One step at a time, ;) --TheParanoidOne 19:20, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

{{Ichneumonoidea-stub}} / Ichneumonoidea stubs

Created today by User:80.255. Added to Invertebrate stubs and Insect stubs by User:Stemonitis. Only used on 4 articles. This stub is far too specific. It doesn't cover wasps (which might have been a reasonable split) but a specific type of wasp. --TheParanoidOne 20:55, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

SFD material, I suspect. Grutness...wha? 02:12, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

{{Anthem-stub}} / Anthem stubs

Created on the 18th by Hmib. Currently only contains two articles. I'd probably take it straight to SFD if I hadn't had poor relations with this user recently. Besides, it might be salvageable. —Cryptic (talk) 21:32, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Hm. I doubt it could get enough items overall. 200-odd countries in the world, say half of them with current and former anthems... that'd be 300 articles, tops, many of which are already at above stub size. Grutness...wha? 02:12, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

{{SEAsian-history-stub}}}

Created today by an anon user, no category. Probably ought to be deleted. But an {{asia-hist-stub}} might be useful. If so, could redirect instead. --Mairi 03:59, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

{{Physiology-stub}}

Another one created today. Also lacks a category. No clue what'd be appropriate to do with it. --Mairi 03:59, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Redirect to anatomy-stub? Grutness...wha? 06:49, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

{{Cuba Rev-stub}}

Another Wiki brah creation, "for the pro-Castro Cubans to use". I've changed it to a redirect, as the name isn't particularly POV, but if someone wants to put it on SfD, go right ahead. --Mairi 03:59, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

{{Belgium-bio-stub}}

Created a couple days ago, lacks a category. Not sure if it'd be useful. --Mairi 04:50, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

{{Perth-stub}} / Category:Perth-related stubs

Which i moved from {{Perthstub}}, since we don't need any more oddly-named Australian city stubs (Auscitystubs). Probably worth keeping, and fixing up the category, mostly because there's a Perth WikiProject. --Mairi 04:50, 26 August 2005 (UTC)