User talk:Pentawing

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TV Template

Hey nice work on the Detroit template, i hope you don't mind but i made come changes. Just some pointers, try not to stack into to many rows, stretch it out it get to blobby as a small box. Try to use abrv for the network info when possible. And on the Detroit one you might want to add the stations in Windsor on the Canadian side, since their basically in the same market. Here is a website for you that have a lot of information on the stations in each market: http://www.tvradioworld.com/region1/ --User:Boothy443 | comhrÚ 08:10, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

List of television stations in Ohio

It really wasn't appropriate to completely reorganize the List of television stations in Ohio article and discard the old formatting. If you prefer to have the stations listed by market, fine, but take the effort to create the List of television stations in Ohio (by channel number) article. The television listings for many states are already in both formats.

Massachusetts Template on Plymouth (town), Massachusetts

I saw that you added the Massachusetts template - and then removed it 15 minutes later. I thought the template was pretty cool. Why did you decide to remove it? --AStanhope 05:11, 31 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Try the Town Info MA infobox. See Merrimac, Massachusetts for more details.--AaronS 01:46, 9 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

SS Andrea Doria

I think the work you have done in the history section on the construction, etc. is really good, and probably could be added soon (eliminate the commented out feature). As you may already know, the credit for information sources you have listed can (and should) be footnoted at the point of first information use. I had just turned 5 (in Illinois) when the tragedy occurred, but can remember the news and the grown-ups discussing it. Thanks. Vaoverland 02:01, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

University of Michigan article

Its been needing a cleanup for a while now :). I think we can leave the academic units out for now too. We've got the main ones listed and linked. I'm more of an "exclusionist" in that I delete things I don't think add anything to the article. Its kind of hard deleting all of these interesting little facts and links but I try and remember that the goal is to have an encyclopedia article, not the definitive, end-all guide to UM. The next thing I think I will do is clean up the history section and move it to a seperate article. As I think of more changes that can be made I will make a list. commonbrick 30 June 2005 05:30 (UTC)

Nomination on IDrive

Thank you for your contribution to the IDrive. You did no add your own vote to your nomination, but you can (should) support your own nomination on this project. Also, new nominations are usually placed on the bottom. --Fenice 18:38, 10 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

SS Andrea Doria - opinion needed on images

I saw from your votes on the "Featured Article Candidate" page that you have some knowledge concerning the appropriate use of images. I am thinking of nominating SS Andrea Doria for FA, yet I am trying to get an honest opinion concerning the images used. Could you look at the article and post your opinion on my talk page? Thanks. Pentawing 16:37, 23 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for asking me. This is difficult article to get free-use images on: the ship was launched in 1951, and in the United States, no copyrighted image published after 1950 will have gone into the public domain.

At a minimum, images used under "fair use" need to indicate the source of the image, credit the image's creator, and indicate why the use of the image in the article constitutes fair use. For selection of which images to use under fair use, images that are intended to be distributed widely such as publicity photos are better than other images. If you can find such an image, it would make a good lead image. If fair use images must be used in an article, their use should be kept to a minimum. You've managed that fairly well in the article: the only image that isn't really essential is Image:RuthRomanwithsonRichard.jpg.

The US Navy or Coast Guard should have some public-domain images of the sinking of the ship, or of the wreck. I've replaced Image:Andrea Doria at Dawn.jpg with such an image; there may be more.

--Carnildo 04:33, 24 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sail training

have responded to your comments regarding Sail training...thanks for your input. Seasee 00:47, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

SS Andrea Doria

It was already in the "Shipwrecks" cat, which is in the "Disasters" cat. Maurreen 05:28, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome! Thanks for asking so nicely. Maurreen 02:45, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Featured Articles

Thank you for your observations and advice placed on my talk page Dainamo 19:21, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ronald20

As far as I've been able to tell, Ronald20 (talk · contribs) has only used that User name, some computers at the Los Angeles Unified School District (IPs 204.108.xx.xx) and a dialup account from the ISP o1.com (see the info on his Talk page). If you would give me the names of the articles that you think that he's edited from an AOL proxy, I'd like to investigate further.

My guess is that he is a teenager with either a learning disability or some behavioral problem (OCD or Asperger's perhaps). He doesn't seen to respond to any attempts at communication, but I have seem some ability to learn by example. Because of that, one thing that I've been trying to do is not just doing reverts on all of his edits, but instead, for some of the articles, I also try to cleanup the article. I'll do some wikification, add more info, add references, add more links, etc.

If this keeps up, I may end up creating a RonaldWatch subpage to try to keep track of all the info on one page. (User:BlankVerse/RonaldWatch) BlankVerse ∅ 07:52, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like you have several anons that are problem editors. You can see my analysis at User talk:BlankVerse/RonaldWatch. The editor adding long histories from 205.188.xx.xx is using AOL and is almost certainly not Ronald20. The editor at 24.18x.xx.xx is from Charter Communications, and again is almost certainly not Ronald20. Neither of these editors are doing edits the way that Ronald20 does, so that's another reason to assume that they are not Ronald20.

The Ronald20 IPs are 204.108.xx.xx for the Los Angeles Unified School District, where he edits occasionally from roughly 7am to 12noon Pacific Coast Time. 66.81.xx.xx and 69.19.xx.xx are dialup IPs for the ISP o1.com that Ronald20 uses at home when he isn't signed on as Ronald20. BlankVerse ∅ 18:50, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, PW. Actually, my comment was aimed at Ronald20 and I meant for it to be light-hearted. That doesn't always come across in print, even with a smiley. I hope you don't think the comment was aimed at you...! If so, I apologize for the mix-up. - Lucky 6.9 04:57, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Pentawing: Take a look at the contributions from User:Hillrhpc and see if they match your AOL editor. At least the material on his User page looks like it has the same signature.

As for Lucky 6.9's comment on my Talk page that you had questions about: I took it to mean that he was alluding to his work with both User:Maoririder and User:SuperDude115 (see Lucky's Talk page and the Talk page of both of those uses to see Lucky's efforts. BlankVerse ∅ 17:50, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Boston, Massachusetts

Sure, I'm happy to help.--AaronS 01:47, 9 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Miami International Airport

I didn't write the history section, so I can't give any refferences to it. I believe that it might have been taken from the airport's page itself.

Ok, Thanks, this is the first article I've submitted to the FAC section, so I'm still learning how it's all done. I'm actually thinking of removing this omne to trim it a bit more before resubmitting it. Right now, though, I've submitted another article I've put a lot of work into, Columbine High School massacre. A lot of people want to support, but can't because of the references (again), perhaps you could help me with those. - PRueda29

I didn't know about the peer review. Thanks! I'll remove it and put it through peer review first.

Thanks for the copyedit!

I appreciate the work you put into Illinois State Capitol correcting my mistakes. Great job! Agriculture 07:42, 14 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

State Capitol

To keep the conversation more coherent, I've answered you on my talk page. Agriculture 06:33, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Pan Am

I looked over the images at http://www.panam.org/default.asp and assumed they can be used under fair use. However, there is one image that I want to keep but can't find the source or copyright information (Image:Clipper ORION III.jpg). It was uploaded by Simon Le Bon, but so far the user hasn't replied to my inquiries. Can you help with this? Also, since I am going to submit this article for FAC soon, can you also look over it and tell me what you think of it? Thanks. Pentawing 22:03, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Presumably, that's from 2001 A Space Odyssey poster.[1] If the entire poster was used, I would say that it's fair use -- however, cropped like this, I would say not. Bollar 01:32, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

So buddy

looks like it's you and me on the capitols project. How old is it? TheChief (PowWow) 23:23, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Don't know if you're watching my user page, so I'll respond here (I watch all pages I comment on FYI). Sounds good, I'm going to try and hit Lansing in the near future so I can do research for the Michigan article, and get photographs. TheChief (PowWow) 17:49, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Columbine High School massacre

Thanks for your copyediting. I submitted the article to peer review but i'm not sure if it's ready to go back into the feautred article candidate, or if it should go at all. What do you think?

Hey, I've spent all morning reorganizing, copyediting, rephrasing, editing, adding, and fixing the article. I've added pictures, and with the help of a friend made the article flow from section to section. At the moment, I feel it probably is ready for featured article status, but I can't ever be sure. Please look it over and tell me what you think. Thanks again for all your help. - PRueda29

Thanks for your encouragement. I'm not going to leave Wikipedia, it just kinda ticked me off that someone decided to oppose it simply because I only took a week in resubmitting it. I didn't know you had to wait a specific amount of time to resbumit an article, and I really don't have the time to pour over it liek I did this weekend. Actually, I think I just overreacted a bit in just giving up. I guess I was just tired of editing the article so much just to have someone say it still sucked. I've decided to try one more time, but I don't know how to fix those pictures. Each one has a link as to where I found them. Except for the Denver Rocky Mountain News and the Cafeteria Surveillance pics which were on the article before I started working on it. You can find most of those pictures all over the internet, so I'm sure they're in the public domain. I'm going to try and fix the refferences to some of those sections, and see what else people think of the article with yet another peer review, before rebsubmitting it. Until then, I'll stick to moderating airport and airline articles, adding destinations, and cleaning them up on behalf of their wikiprojects. Thanks again for your support. - PRueda29

The image Image:Evacuating Columbine.jpg Can be found on Columbine websites and news reports around the internet. I believe it's probably more public domain than it is fair use, but I don't know what rationale I should put for it. As for Columbine Library, is there anyway to get around that? If not, I'll go ahead and make something on paint... it won't be as nice as the current one, but I've made miracles on MS Paint before. Thank you for helping me with the rationales. As you can probably guess, I've been going nuts pouring over fiar use articles on wikipedia trying to see how I can fix them. Also, can you vote for support, or is that not allowed since u normally moderate the page? PRueda29

The map is a great addition, but it can be done without. Of course, I would still like a picture for that section, I don't want it to be bare. Also, any suggestions for a lead picture? PRueda29

I'm pretty sure that picture came from this site. I know because of the article title and the yellow background. PRueda29

oh, and I think barnstars are cool! PRueda29

Hey, thanks for adding the stuff about gun legislations. I meant to add it, but I completely forgot with the whole featured article and countless facelifts. Also, article length apparently doesn't matter as long as its under 85KB. The 32KB warning is an old tag from netscape 4.2 and before. In fact, an article ca't be considered for featured status until its reached at least 32KB. PRueda29

Your additions to the Long-term impact section look good. I don't think I have anything to add.--Alabamaboy 00:49, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, do you think this image is a good replacement for the current one under the "library massacre" section. Or is it too intense?

What about these: [2] [3]

- PRueda29

I don't think any of them are too intense. However, image 1 of the library doors doesn't do much either way for the article and I wouldn't use it. Image two is a good way to illustrate school security, while image 3 should be used because it is one of the most famous images of the event (even if it is a bit graphic).--Alabamaboy 01:01, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Image 2 is the actual Columbine Library. Its a picture of it during the investigation, if you look closely you can see the yellow labels they placed for shell casings, and sadly, bodies of the deceased (including blood stains). Yes his name is Patrick Ireland. I do think that image 3 is good, but it might be a little graphic. My favorite is Image 2, especially if we place a caption that it is the Columbine Library after the shooting, but if you preffer #3, i'll go with it. - PRueda29

I still can't see anything in image one (I did notice the blood on the wall before, but I don't see the bodies b/c the image is so small). The images of the security at library is good, and I can understand if you don't want to use image 3 b/c it might upset people (although it doesn't bother me, especially since the kid getting out of the window survived, it I'm not mistaken).--[[User:Alabamaboy--Alabamaboy 00:12, 24 August 2005 (UTC)|Alabamaboy]] 01:14, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, image 3 it is. I'll add it, and I guess I'll copy the rationale from another picture then you can check it. The image 2 picture is the Columbine library, not with bodies, but with yellow labels that show where the bodies were located. Image 1 is just the door and i don't think that's blood, but it might be who knows. That image lost already anyway, it's betwen 2 and 3, and I think 3 is the best to replace the current image for the library massacre. If we get complains, we can change it for 2, how about that?- PRueda29

Weak support! Weak support! LOL. How can you give weak support after all the work you've done on the article? :-). Anyway, just joking around. It looks like the article should pass the FAC at this point and that's totally due to the work of PRueda29 and you. Congrats. --Alabamaboy 00:12, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It is a controversial topic, but it can't be ignored and put on the backburner simply because of that. The best way to learn from the incident is the discuss it and remember it with accurate accounts a NPOV. I have attempted to present the article in the manner, sticking to mostly facts and details, without touching the inaccurate hot buttons that still plague the community. Basically, the article is not only a retelling of the incident, but an encyclopedic gathering of that accurate details scattered around the internet, in other words, what an encyclopedic article should be. I would love to have this article become featured on the front page. In a way, it already is featured every year since it is noted on the April 20th "selected anniversaries" featured daily on the front page. If it is too touchy for the front page, I'll be happy with it at least being a good article. That fact alone is satisfying because it keeps the incident from being slashed and insulted by the misconceptions that plagued in the past few years. Also, I want to thank you for your support, and all the help you gave me with the pictures, copyediting, and adding the part about the impact with guns. I still can't believe I actually succeeded in making this article featured material; for a moment, I thought it was hopeless! Btw, how long does it usually take to for it to leaved the candidates page? PRueda29

Once consensus on an FAC is achieved (which I believe has now happened), the article will usually be promoted in a week or so at most. Of course, someone could still raise a new object, so keep an eye on the FAC.--Alabamaboy 00:25, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The candidate page is on my watchlist so I can see any new support/objections that arise. If any do, I'll get right on them as I did with nearly all of them (except of course, the ones Pentawing did for me). PRueda29

There's no way u can change your vote to just plain support? PRueda29

Ok, that's good to know, I didn't want to end up having survived Carnildo's wrath just to end up succumbing to controversy! lol! PRueda29

History of South Carolina

Hello. History of South Carolina is on Featured Article Candidates for a third time due to recent controversy. Because you commented on one of its past nominations, you may be interested in commenting this time at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/History of South Carolina. Toothpaste 19:30, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge

Sorry about the references, They were mixed with the external links. I have fixed this. Please take another look. -- Samuel Wantman 08:36, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Channel 61

Currently, this article basically consists only of links to various stations that used the UHF 61 frequency in Cleveland. Sure, we can turn it into a DAB for all the UHF 61's around the world, but IMO there's no point to that. Do you think it should be put up for VfD? - Hinto 20:34, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

PRueda29

Hey. As you might or might not know, I live in Miami Springs, Florida. The eye of Hurricane Katrina passed right overhead and we had tons of trees down. We have lost power and don't know when exactly it will be back. I am at a frend's house now, and since I can't regularly moderate the page as I have been doing, I want to know if you could help me by doing the tasks for the featured article until I can return back online. It will probably be another day or two at most. I'd appreciate it. I see the article is already at featured status and also wanted to know what is needed now for it be featured on the front page. Thanks! - PRueda29

Hey. You weren't insensitive, you weren't aware, so it's ok. Well, everything is fine where I live except for the fact a lot of trees fell. We didn't have any deaths in our county, all the deaths occured in Broward County to our north. The big problem was that it was a Category 1, and being experienced with Hurricanes, no one here took it seriously! Then, the news kept telling us it would strike between the Broward and Palm Beach County lines, but she instead turned south and struck between Miami-Dade (my county) and Broward, then midway down the county line she steared south and smashed into the western suburbs of Dade. The exact eye of the hurricane hit Miami Springs (my suburb) around 10 pm. We had our windows with no shutters (as we were told it would be minimal). I opened the curtain and a saw an awesome show with green lightning, and palm trees bent down nearly to the ground. Unfortunately, we lost power near 6 pm and still haven't gotten it back. My mom spoke to an FPL (Florida Power & Light) guy about when it would return and he said 11 pm tonight, but you can't be 100% sure. I'm kind of dissapointed that I wasn't able to witness the article become featured, but I'm glad it has now. Anyway, you should see the destruction we have here with the trees. Miami Springs is "tree city USA", we're located directly north of Miami International Airport. A lot of our main roads are still blocked by giant oak and ficus trees that toppled, while the shrimpy palm tree in my front lawn survived. Well, I'm starting to ramble now, I'm just kind of excited about having actually witnessed the strongest winds, I've never been right at the center of a hurricane, even though this is my fourth. I AM VERY angry about how the news stations here told us that it would be nothing but a little rain. We didn't even put on shutters, had the been stronger we could've had thousands of deaths. Thanks for watching the article for me. I'm sorry for the long paragraph. I'll get to you as soon as I have i-net back at home. Later. - PRueda29

Ann Arbor images

No problem. I do have a couple bus images, but neither are particularly good. I'll probably take some more pictures later this week, next time it's sunny and I have my camera on me. (On the other hand, maybe there should be some cloudy images -- they don't look great, but having only sunny pics would severely misrepresent ann arbor. I've known a lot of U-M students from warm places who come tour the campus in july, look at brochure photos, and then move here and are fucking miserable because it's cold and cloudy 90 percent of the time. I should also take some snow pics for the weather subsection.) Tlogmer 21:51, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

PanAm

I've replied on the FAC page and support the article's nomination. Sorry if I sounded too angry about your quick re-nomination. It looks like poor form if it seems you have chosen to challenge the original decision, but in this case you had a right to go for another round. Good luck getting the article featured, and I'll keep an eye on the FAC discussion to see how it progresses. Harro5 04:24, August 29, 2005 (UTC)