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This article was nominated for deletion on April 9, 2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

Re: someone keeps adding this info - "Session guitarist Big Jim Sullivan devised the distinctive opening" - I am currently checking this out with Small Faces biographer John Hellier Sue Wallace 09:38, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Probably the man himself! Thanks for taking the time to verify the information; but remember, if it's not written down we can't actually use it! If I recall correctly, Itchycoo Park was a bit of a generic term throughout the East End, for any open space frequented by tramps (see Spitalfields, Whitechapel, etc). Kbthompson 09:53, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I had a look on the web and I found lots of instances where the word "itchycoo" is used to describe a general itch or and/or stinging nettles and also the hairy dog rose seeds that kids put down each others backs to cause irritation not sure whether actual parks were called itchycoo, it's quite possible they were though. I can only find the above mentioned on blogs and chatrooms, don't think wiki will accept any of those as verification. Still waiting to hear on the Big Jim confirmation, but if they want it added they need to get it cited first anyway don't they. Sue Wallace 21:53, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

John Hellier email reply-26/6/07 - Re: Jim Sullivan "I interviewed Jim Sullivan in 2002 and he claims to have played 12 string on Itchycoo Park but Mac and Kenney strenuosly deny it. Jim seems such a genuine guy but I can't be sure". Sue Wallace 16:08, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If the issue turns up, it can always be flagged as disputed. What we actually need are written down references, either in a book, or on the web. Cheers for all the work you've done on these subjects. Kbthompson 16:15, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I enjoyed trying to solve this mystery, shame it seems like its Jim's word against Mac and Kenney's, since there doesn't appear to be any proof available, not to say that Jim isn't telling the truth here, but any session musician in theory, could, many years later make such claims. Sue Wallace 16:38, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm the culprit. My references are :- Pipeline Instrumental Review Number 22 Spring 1994 - p21 "Many a Small Faces single is graced with the Sullivan touch - that 12-string on "Itchycoo Park" is Big Jim for example". Mo Foster "Seventeen Watts ?" Sanctuary Music Library - p248 "It was, in fact, Jim who played the choked-chord acoustic intro on The Small Faces' 'Itchycoo Park'". Overzeal 18:47, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, its interesting, but that is different to what was stated in the article before, what I mean is, theres a big difference to "Played" and "Devised" - did you see the above where Mac and Kenney "strenuously deny it"..? and as you probably know, Ronnie Lane died in 1997, Marriott in 1991. Sue Wallace 19:10, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]