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This page only deals with the deletion of stub types, which consist of a template and a category, and are intended to be used for sorting stubs. Stub templates that are missing categories and stub categories without associated templates are also appropriate here. All other templates or categories nominated for deletion have to be put on WP:TFD or WP:CFD, respectively.

About this page

Putting a stub type on SfD, and what happens afterwards

  • Put {{sfd-t}} on the stub template
  • Put {{sfd-c}} on the stub category
  • List the new stub and/or category on Template:sfd-current. This will let several relevant pages know of the nomination
  • List the stub type below in a new subsection at the top of the section which has the current date. If that section does not yet exist, create it.
    • Mention the template as well as the category (if it exists), like this:
      ==== {{tl|banana stub}} / [[:Category:Banana stubs]] ====
    • Also mention how many articles currently use the template, and if it is listed anywhere else.
    • Of course, state your reason for nominating the stub type for deletion!
  • After a voting period of seven days, action will be taken if there is consensus on the fate of the stub type. Please do not act before this period is over.
  • Archived discussions are logged per the instructions at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log, and are located at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/Deleted and Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/Not deleted.

Possible reasons for the deletion of a stub type

  • They are not used in any article, and their category is empty
  • They overlap with other stub categories, or duplicate them outright
  • Their scope is too limited - As a rule of thumb, there should be at least 50 appropriate stubs in existence
  • The stub category or template is misnamed. In this case, make this clear when nominating and propose a new category or template name. Note that - in the case of a template but not a category - it may be more appropriate to make it into a redirect

What this page is not for

You should, however, notify the WikiProject Stub sorting of all stub types that are problematic but do not match the criteria for listing here.

Typical voting options

  • Keep (do not delete or modify)
  • Delete (delete template and category)
  • Merge with xx-stub (Delete category, redirect template to xx-stub)
  • Merge with xx-stub without redirect (delete category and template, put xx-stub on all articles that use it)
  • Change scope (reword the template, typically giving it a larger scope. Usually also means renaming the category)
  • BJAODN (add to Wikipedia:Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense, then delete)

When voting, please try to give a more substantial reason than simply "I like it/find it useful" or "I dislike it/don't find it useful"

Current listings

According to {{sfd-current}}, the following stub types are being discussed on this page. If you notice a discrepancy, please correct the template. Template:Sfd-current

Listings

August 31th

Category:Business bio stubs to Category:Business biography stubs

Proposed name is unabbreviated. Aecis 16:30, 31 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 30th

Category:Golf bio stubs

Now renamed to Category:Golf biography stubs and emptied. Delete. Grutness...wha? 01:15, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 29th

Category:Speculative meteorology

Silly creation of this stub-cat to go along with the equally silly {{ChickenLittle}} which is currently on Tfd. Recommend delete. ∞Who?¿? 21:20, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

While i thoroughly think that category ought to be deleted, it doesn't belong here as it's not a category for stubs (it's a subcategory of Category:Stubs because the author tagged the page as a stub). This vote should be moved to WP:CFD. --Mairi 22:11, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I've changed the stub notice to the more appropriate {{popcat}}. Moving this nomination to CFD (although it's probably a speedy)... Grutness...wha? 00:45, 30 August 2005 (UTC) (PS: Delete)[reply]

Category:Canada education stubs

This category will soon be emptied, due to the re-vamping of the education stubs (almost everything in it will be in the new Category:Canada university stubs, and the rest should have been in Category:Canadian school stubs anyway. This can either be kept as an umbrella category to simply hold those two categories (the of which probably needs renaming to "Canada school stubs"), or simply deleted. I'd slightly favour the latter, unless we have similar umbrella categories for the other countries with university and school stub categories. Grutness...wha? 11:46, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Systems-stub}} / Systems Thinking stubs

Used on only one article since its creation in July. Unintuitive name. Spans multiple subject areas. The discovery page discussion has more details. --TheParanoidOne 11:14, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 28th

{{Web comics-stub}}

Unused, obsoleted by {{Webcomic-stub}}. The corresponding category does not even exist. --Fibonacci 02:12, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. If it weren't unused, I'd vote to redirect... --Mairi 02:35, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Useless stub template. -- Alex Nisnevich (talk) 04:27, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, redundant. Alai 03:45, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 26th

Was used on {{Cuba-stub}}, but given the consensus on WP:WSS/P (to standardize to "X stubs", not "X-related stubs"), I've changed the category back to the still-existing Category:Cuba stubs. So Category:Cuba-related stubs is unneeded, and ought to be deleted. --Mairi 04:07, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • I believe here is the appropriate place, as the category is intended for stubs. And the top of this page does say "stub categories without associated templates are also appropriate here". --Mairi 21:46, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • As it says at the top of CFD: Categories relating to stub articles should not be nominated here, but should be taken to Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. Grutness...wha? 23:14, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Micronation-stub}} / Category:Micronation stubs

Too specific; there aren't anywhere near 60 micronation stubs (or even 60 micronation articles); there might be 10 such stubs. --Mairi 22:28, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

...and since Micronation articles are almost always VFD'd... delete. Grutness...wha? 06:59, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

micro-Delete Lectonar 11:39, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 25th

{{Rwanda-geo-stub}}/Category:Rwanda geography stubs

I don't like nominating geo-stub categories for deletion, partly because I know that every country should be worth its own stub category. But of all the countries for someone to have created a stub type for, Rwanda is one of the least appropriate. Not because it is a small country, but because there are virtually no geography stubs. The last tally of Category:Central Africa geography stubs showed a total of 11 Rwandan geography stubs in total - and the usual threshold at which countries get their own geo-stub is about 70-80. In fact, every other country in the Central African category has more geo-stubs than Rwanda. It may eventually have enough stubs, but that time is some distance away unless someone goes on a stub-creation binge - especially given that fact that all the subcategories of Category:Geography of Rwanda between them have only 30 articles. Grutness...wha? 09:44, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

OK - I'm quite happy to let this stay given the general feeling seems to be for keep. Thought it would make sense to "test the waters" with it though. It does beg the question of what the minimum size of a country (in stub terms) would need to be before its deleted (if someone made a Monaco-geo-stub for Monaco's three articles, would that stay?), but Rwanda does at least have scope for expansion. Should I withdraw the nom, or just let it run its course? Grutness...wha? 07:03, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Might as well let it run its course. --TheParanoidOne 09:47, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 24th

{{Ichneumonoidea-stub}}/Category:Ichneumonoidea stubs

Wasp-stub wopuld be pushing it, but a stub for a specific type of wasp? Very very overspecific. Grutness...wha? 02:28, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Scarface-stub}}

Created by the same misguided user as the Hot Jewish one below. Somewhat narrow in scope, I would think. Grutness...wha? 02:28, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Further notes - was used on two articles, although one of those was better served with song-stub. Also worth noting that Scarface could refer to either of two movies, or to Al Capone, or to a rapper (yes, Scarface is a disambiguation page!) Grutness...wha? 09:13, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Hot Jewish Actress-stub

While I admire hot Jewish actresses as much as the next heterosexual goy, this is ludicrously inappropriate. --Calton | Talk 07:21, August 24, 2005 (UTC)--

I see what you mean; you did only intend to use it on your userpage (did you?), so perhaps just {{userfy}} it Lectonar 11:45, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Nope. He added it to Lisa Kushell four times, plus to a few others. For a sense of his sincerity, check out this early edit of Lisa Kushell. --Calton | Talk 13:19, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
Who's Lisa Kushell? :)), sorry I did just have alook at his userpage, and I should have got suspicious, with this other sexually oriented template.... So my delete stands Lectonar 13:57, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Is Julie Christie Jewish? I'm having a sudden Dr. Zhivago flashback. --Calton | Talk 14:37, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
Old Business
Everything from here on down is old business; the current 7-day review period has ended. Everything from this point on should be dealt with and removed from the workflow. Move this marker up as time passes.

August 23rd

Category:Lebanon stubs

Template:leb-stub changed its category to Category:Lebanon-related stubs. CG 20:30, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

{{UK-hill-stub}} / Category:Mountains and hills of the United Kingdom stubs

A three step plan:

  1. User: MarkJ proposes this stub at WP:WSS/P
  2. User: MarkJ is told why this type of stub is not used.
  3. User: MarkJ creates the stub and populates the category.

Delete the template. Delete the category. Delete the user. Grutness...wha? 06:33, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There's also the old category for the template, Category:UK hill and mountain stubs, which i marked for speedy deletion.
  • Delete; don't get angry :) Lectonar 06:41, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete with prejudice. Looks like he created it right after he "proposed" it... --Mairi 07:12, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Why dont people read what their supposed to do before making stubs? BL Lacertae 07:50, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. OK procedure wasn't followed, and I suspect that no-one will agree with me anyway BUT I would have found it a very useful stub. Can it not be preserved alongside the rest of the UK-geo-stubs? Grinner 08:59, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • One of the main reasons why working orthogonally to the hierarchy is a problem was clearly shown by the moving of articles into this category. A lot of them had the UK-geo-stub removed, which means that when more counties come to be split (which is an ongoing process) these stubs would have missed out of being put into their regional categories. It's been found before that even when direct instructions are put to use a new orthogonal stub template as an addition rather than a replacement, a lot of editors ignore those instructions and stubs gfo missing from their primary categories. Since it's very likely indeed that the vast majority of editors work according to the area they know rather than the particular landform they know, these articles would have missed out on being seen by a lot of editors. As it is, some county categories probably wouldn't even have been considered for creation; the threshold being used to pare off cunties is 100 stubs - by moving all the hills out of UK-geo-stub the number of Cumbria stubs dropped from 98 to 56. Any editors who want to look for british hills to work on only have to look in categories related to the hilliest counties to discover stubs worth sifting - there are likely to be a lot in the Northumberland and Yorkshire categories, for instance, and Cumbria is now likely to get its own category soon. In any case, a precedent like this would lead to the inevitable possibility of someone suggesting separate stub types for every major landform across all countries, so we'd end up with hill-stubs, river-stubs, lake-stubs and the like for all regions of all countries that have been split regionally. Many too many, much too much. This is why geographical feature stubs are specifically mentioned on WP:Stub as being an example of types of stubs to avoid. Grutness...wha? 12:21, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • DONT GET ANGRY WITH ME. I went ahead with the stupid thing right after I proposed it because I couldn't find/be bothered to wait for the proposals page again. Kinda thought I was doing everyone a favor sorting out the mess that you guys have got, and it certainly helps some people (see Grinner above). I didn't even put most of the stubs in the stupid category anyway. This was my first attempt at making a category and I sure won't be making any more soon. 'Delete the user'. Huh. --Mark J 08:11, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Good. I was angry with you because you deliberately went against the procedure. If my anger was misplaced, I apologise, but it caused a hell of a lot of extra work and time, which could have been taken up on more productive stub sorting. As for you not populating the category, no-one would have populated it if you hadn't made it in the first place - and "couldn't be bothered to wait" is hardly a good excuse. Grutness...wha? 09:06, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- the first two only, not the latter. Wikilove, wikilove, cool clean grass... Alai 03:45, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 18th

{{General-Edu-stub}} / Category:General Education stubs

This one is an annoying one... someone seems to have decided just to create more work for everyone. Not only were all the articles in perfectly acceptable Category:Education stubs suddenly moved to this new, badly capitalised category with no debate on WP:WSS/P, but a new, badly capitalised template was created at the same time. If any changes were wanted, then changing the wording of th existing template would have done the job. Now we have a pointless new malformed category and template to deal with, just at the point when the old was was about to be split (UK-edu-stub and US-edu-stub are both on the proposals page for creation). So we get more work to do and another week to wait before anything can be done to split the category. Brilliant. Delete with all prejudice. Grutness...wha? 06:26, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, in Wiki years it's quite old. I made this back in April at a time when the only other education stub was the edu-stub which was meant for structures. The articles weren't moved recently but have been accumulating since the category was created. I posted it for comment on the proposal page and waited seven days before creation. It doesn't seem to have made it into the archive from the period but in any case, it was created within process at a time when there were fewer stubs and no real naming guidlines. Not only that but it's been listed in Stub types since April when there was only one other education stub template. Delete if it's time has passed but it's existence certainly shouldn't be a surprise. Rx StrangeLove 06:11, 21 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
In that case I apologise - I take it that it isn't you who's moved things around in the categories, though. Category:Education stubs was up for deletion at CFD because someone had decided to move everything from there to Category:General Education stubs (which is still incorrectly capitalised, no matter how long it's been there!). Category:Education stubs is now empty - it shouldn't be, it's got a purpose separate from the purported purpose of Category:Education stubs. So someone else has misunderstood the difference between the two categories, and a lot of extra work is needed to put it right. Grutness...wha? 06:25, 22 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Right, I didn't move them but I understand the extra work. Re:spelling, you're right but I thought it looked weird for the subject not to be capitalised..."my bad" as the kids say. Anyway, no big deal but I could tell that you were bugged and I didn't want to be the villain..sigh, vanity thy name is Wiki. Rx StrangeLove 14:13, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
What template is/was associated with Category:Education stubs? As it looks like {{edu-stub}} is restricted to universities (for whatever odd reason...) --Mairi 19:05, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good point, actually. Edu-stub should be about education, with a separate University-stub for universities and other tertiary institutes. I've argued in the past for a separate UK-university-stub and US-university-stub... perhaps an overhaul is needed in general (no pun intended) here. I'll take this over to WP:WSS/P for some discussion. Grutness...wha? 00:02, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I propose that we keep this stub type. It is very possible for a stub to be about education, but not fit cleanly into a university or school stub category. Some examples could be stubs concerning styles of teaching or types of examinations. I realize that this category is liable to become large due to editors sorting stubs in general categories, but I think General Education is still a useful stub category. Solarusdude 20:10, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
Delete. A category for education stubs is needed, but I prefer Grutness's proposal , on the Proposals page. --Mairi 21:17, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
OK, now that I've seen the proposal by Grutness, his way makes more sense. I am in support of it. Solarusdude 03:48, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
We already talked about this months ago on the old WP:WSS/C, but someone carelessly deleted that discussion without any regard to the fairly clear conclusions that we had reached. Well, at least there was no confusion with regard to the fact that the present situation was confusing. :) Cf. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Criteria/Archive16#Category:Education_stubs_and_the_situation_with_education-related_stubs_in_general --Joy [shallot] 21:02, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

A general overhaul of the university and education stub categories has begun - this vote should be held over until it has been completed Grutness...wha? 09:30, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 15th

{{Video game music composer-stub}} / (no category)

Appallingly oversepcialised and named. used on five articles. Unnecessary. Grutness...wha? 06:40, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • That lists adds another 15 stubs (altho some of those may in fact be musicians, not composers; not all the articles are clear). My vote still stands, and I agree with Lectonar. --Mairi 23:38, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I can't decide if this should be deleted or not, but if it is kept I wouldn't mind seeing a stub category for Polyphonic Ringtone Composers being added. Kevin 09:03, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. The term video game musician is less specialized than video game music composer, so the stub template should be changed to read "This article about a video game musician is a stub", and be renamed cvg_musician-stub. It is pointless to be on the side of Lectonar and Mairi in this case. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 01:57, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - The category is not too specialized but needs to be have more people properly associated with it. Many of them compose exclusively for video games. The suggestion of a video game musician category is not a bad idea to slightly de-specialize the stub, though I'm worried about people improperly associating mainstream artists whose tracks were merely licensed for use in popular sports games (e.g. Madden NFL, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater). Nonetheless, there are too many VG music composers out there to delete the stub. Thanks to Tedius for adding more associations, while I'll also work on more. Liontamer 12:19, 31 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Japcorp-stub}} / (no category)

Poorly (and possibly offensively) named, no category. Used in only 4 articles. --Mairi 07:12, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Where I come from it's definitely a derogatory term. I can imagine it could be a heavily used stub, but it needs renaming to {{Japan-corp-stub}} - but only if we're splitting corp-stub by country (I can't honestly remember)> If we're not, then deleting it would definitely be a reasonable option. If we keep it, it'll definitely need a category. Grutness...wha? 09:55, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It looks we're dividing corp-stub by type of corporation ({{tech-corp-stub}}, {{aero-corp-stub}}, {{food-corp-stub}}, etc), altho we do have {{India-corp-stub}} as an exception to that. --Mairi 17:14, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I won't object to {{Japan-corp-stub}}. And because Japan is the second economy in the world, I don't think it will be much of a problem to fill it. IIRC there are more than enough stubs for the category. Having said that, I think I would object to a {{US-corp-stub}}: I'm afraid that that would become incredibly overpopulated. Aecis 13:53, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Unfinished business

To orphan

Stub types in this section have been deemed deletable and have to be removed from all articles using them, so that they can be deleted.

To delete

Stub types in this section have been orphaned and can be deleted.

Listings to log

Stub types with completed discussions which have not yet been logged; remove from this page entirely when logged. Anyone can do this, not just an admin; please see the directions at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log.

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