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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by AndreJustAndre (talk | contribs) at 17:58, 2 September 2005 (Requests for page protection). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Due to changes in the Wikipedia, my bots are not functioning.

All my bots are under going upgrades. I ask that you please wait until I have finished rewriting the code for my bots. --AllyUnion (talk) 29 June 2005 00:03 (UTC)

New comments to the end of the page please. Otherwise, I will ignore and/or revert your edit. -- AllyUnion I have every right to blank out your comments because this is my User page. If you have a complaint about it, too bad... deal with it. -- AllyUnion

Furthermore, a note to administrators: My user page and user talk page is protected from page moves. We still have a page move vandal running amok, and I don't see why anyone other than myself would need to move my User page. -- AllyUnion (talk) 23:41, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Pending tasks for [[Template:Articlespace:AllyUnion]]:

edit this list - add to watchlist
  1. Wikipedia To Wikimedia Commons Deletion Assistant Tool --AllyUnion (talk) 23:26, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Trek references

I added a list of the major reference works that are often cited when writing about Star Trek to the main article. It has been mentioned that this is not quite what is meant by references, but IMO the only way to do a fully cited article is to abandon what has been written and write something from scratch, which isn't feasible (not to mention unfair to past contributors). I imagine some folks treat Wikipedia like they would a thesis or essay, but I don't really work that way - not with a simple website. Anyway, I started the list so hopefully something can be done with it. If push comes to shove, I'd recommend citing only those books dated in the 1970s since those are key works and the sum of their knowledge forms the basis for what longtime Trekkers like me know about the show. Cheers. 23skidoo 14:11, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm willing to bet the explanation of who Berman is probably got lost in a previous edit. Good catch, there. "Star Trek Creator" could be considered a reference along the lines of Shatner's books (I could also have listed autobiographies/biographies of Nichelle Nichols, George Takei, James Doohan, Deforest Kelly, Leonard Nimoy and Walter Koenig as well -- yup, they all wrote books (except for Kelly who was biographed posthumously). I recall there being two biographies of Roddenberry published, one of which was considered quite controversial but I can't recall if it was Star Trek Creator or the other one the title of which I forget. 23skidoo 20:30, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Upload message

If you want to use an exclusive free license other than the GFDL, you must upload your files to the Wikimedia Commons.

Is this true? For example, is the uploading of public domain images to wikipedia prohibited? My understanding was that the following is true:

If you want to use an exclusive free license other than the GFDL, you are encouraged to upload your files to the Wikimedia Commons.

Lupin 19:53, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Public domain is ineligible for copyright status... I don't believe it can be re-licensed under the GFDL. -- AllyUnion (talk) 19:59, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

OK, but what about the non-GFDL free licenses which are allowed on the commons? Is uploading images under these licenses actually disallowed on en, or

merely discouraged? Lupin 20:01, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I put the text as: other than the GFDL or public domain. Fair use is permitted, but that small notice is against anyone who wants to exclusively use a free license such as the BSD License to license their images. -- AllyUnion (talk) 20:11, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I may be being dense, but I'm still not really clear what the policy is. Are you saying that if I find an image licensed only under the BSD license, then I may not upload it to en, but I may upload it to the commons? Also, are the following free licenses allowed on en? I thought that they were, but the current wording on Upload seems to me to exclude them from en.
  • Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike License
  • GNU General Public License (GPL) / GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL)
  • Free Art License [1]
  • EFF OAL
Lupin 20:20, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Star Trek

Hi Coolcat. I would like to work together to push for Star Trek to be a featured article. However, I feel that the article as it stands is a mess and requires a complete rewrite. The information presented is fine, but it seems to be lacking certain information and links. Please help by contributing your opinions to Talk:Star Trek. Thanks. -- AllyUnion (talk) 22:57, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Gladly. --Cool Cat My Talk 00:10, 18 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

CfD header

Did you see this: Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 May 11? Did you add the header? I kind of like it. Radiant_* 07:49, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

Schools on VfD

I finally dragged it to a global discussion because the local discussions weren't helping. Wikipedia:Schools. Radiant_* 07:49, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

A Star Trek bloopers article?

I wanted to bounce an idea off you. What do you think about an article based upon Star Trek bloopers? The original tapes have some notability because of their proliferation in the 1970s (in fact it could be said that the controversy over their unauthorized distribution anticipated current film piracy concerns). But beyond that, I could see us having some fun describing the different TOS, TNG, VOY, and ENT bloopers that have been released. I wouldn't suggest summarizing every Trek blooper - that could get boring - but some of the more popular ones might be worth noting, stuff like Shatner saying "Have no fear, Sargon is here" or Tuvok running away from a dark cave, or the newly classic "Martinis at T'Pol's" blooper from the season 1 gag reel. Thoughts? 23skidoo 23:30, 20 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

FFXI Wiki

You might be interested in this FFXI Wiki. --Gahoo 19:21, 23 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Protection

Uh...? Developed country is the first and only page I have protected, and I unproteted it and removed the tag simultaneously, after 24 hours. Did I miss something? Nothing is more likely, mind you, as the whole protection/unprotection procedure is a little intimidating the first time. Or, hey, did you simply mean that this maneouvre was unnecessary:

>13:56, 23 May 2005 Bishonen unprotected Developed country (just to put the {{protected}} template in there)

Right? I have mysterious editing powers that override the protection?

I'm replying on your page, as I usually do, but it unnerves me a little to note that it is protected. So, I can still edit it, but is it a faux pas and abuse of my superpowers to do so? Anyway, thanks for telling me, that'll come in useful! Bishonen | talk 09:51, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

How do you create your own bot?

I want to perform some archiving tasks and also some categorization and stub categorization. I know I need to ask permission to do it (use a bot), but before that I wanted to know how to program one... Does it use C, Java, PHP, wikilanguage? Thanks. Paulo Oliveira 11:46, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'll look at the workframe when I have the time. I will also need to read about Python first, but I think it mustn't be too hard. As for the task I intend to do, these are mainly about automation. Automatic categorization, automatic redirections, etc. Detail will follow on my talk page. Paulo Oliveira 10:21, 26 May 2005 (UTC) (talk)[reply]

My Titles

If I weren't laughing so hard, I'd be writing up an Rfc on you for - what did someone recently accuse me of so eloquently? "Eternal demonising" of me or something similar. Bless you - the pain of being demoted to BJAODN's 2nd Curmudgeon by that new guy has been alleviated by your work. --Mothperson 12:21, 25 May 2005 (UTC) wait a minute - now that song is on my talk page!!! You fiend.[reply]

Fidel

Please can you unblock Fidel Castro. I can barely see an edit war last night. I am in the middle of major edits to try and resolve the problem, and feel I am being punished (I wanted to continue my edits this morning) for the sins of others. The only real solution to this page's problem is a thorough rewrite, but that cannot happen if the page is protected. Protecting will never solve the deeper problem, SqueakBox 14:58, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedia guidelines

I've been looking into the history and rationale for the creation of Category:Wikipedia guidelines and deletion of Category:Semi-Policy. I see that you were the one who created Category:Wikipedia guidelines. Can you point me to any discussion that were done before the creation of that category? BlankVerse ∅ 09:53, 26 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

History of Star Trek

Your question is pretty broad. There are two major works on the subject. During TOS's second season, Gene Roddenberry and Stephen Whitfield co-wrote "The Making of Star Trek" which described in intense detail how the show came to be. It's from that source that names such as Captain Winter, the USS Yorktown (original name for the Enterprise) and other tidbits of the characters originate. About 10 years ago, Robert Justman and Herbert Solow, who produced TOS, wrote Inside Star Trek: The Real Story which covered the entire run of TOS and included a number of controversial claims (such as the affair between Roddenberry and Nichelle Nichols, the fact Gene composed an "impossible to sing" set of lyrics for the theme song so he'd get a cut of the royalities, etc.). And of course all the main cast either wrote autobiographies covering the early years, or biographies were written about them. For post-TOS history, as in the rise of fandom, I'd recommend "On the Good Ship Enterprise" by Bjo Trimble who organized the 1960s equivalent of Trek United, and Making of the Trek Conventions by Joan Winston which chronicles the beginnings of that element of Trek fandom. Of all the books I mentioned, these last two are the hardest to find, as you can imagine. Hope this helps. 23skidoo 13:59, 26 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This is definitely something that's worth doing the research for, but what one needs is time and resources. I have the resources - most of the books I mentioned including Trimble's book and the Trek Conventions book which is selling on the collectors market for a lot of money. Problem is, I just don't have the time to work on such a project at the moment. I could give a general outline from memory (Roddenberry pitching the show to CBS who turned it down in favor of Lost in Space; NBC and Desilu rejecting the show until Lucille Ball championed it; the controversy over Spock and the initial plan to have a female first office; the decision to air a monster-of-the-week episode first which some feel doomed TOS from the start; the write-in campaign that saved the second season; Harlan Ellison vs. Roddenberry, etc.). Problem is if you want sources cited I couldn't do that given my time restrictions. But maybe if we just created an outline and worried about sourcing later, it would give us a start? 23skidoo 19:02, 26 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I just added a very fast and dirty outline from memory to the Temp page. There are no doubt some errors to be smoothed out, but it's a start. 23skidoo 02:06, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Category Archival

Hi Radiant!, I told you that the archive is 6 months if the page is not edited, and 2 months if the talk page hasn't been edited. What do you for pages like: User:Gracefool/Wikiproject D&D which are in the category? Should I only change pages that have a format of "Wikipedia:WikiProject *"? (Where * means any word, phrase, name, etc). What about User:Zocky/Sandbox? What about Wikipedia:WikiProject/Template? Can you give me your list of exceptions please? -- AllyUnion (talk) 09:56, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's been established that WikiProjects may reside in userspace for whatever reason. If the user tags something as cat:wikiproject, and it becomes inactive, then cat:inactive wikiproject is appropriate. That includes Peregrine 981 and Gracefool. Also, some WikiProjects don't have 'WikiProject' in their title, such as the LGBT notice board and Statistics Department. I'd say the sole exceptions are Wikipedia:WikiProject (the main page) and Template:WikiProject. Thanks, Radiant_* 10:06, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

European English

Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/European_English should be removed from the Votes for Deletion List. I turned the personal research article into an acceptable stub. Thanks. Nobbie 14:16, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Who let the dogs out?

I think this is how World War I started. Actually, it was while I was trying to plot revenge that you became an inspiration. So consider yourself a muse. (omg, I did not make that ghastly pun, and I'm not even thinking about cold pizza. -- not Mothperson 14:39, 27 May 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Bot policy

I am not sure what is unclear: the reason or the implementation. I guess the former one.

It is my lucky day when I do not revert a dozen of anon vandals in my watchlist. Therefore each time I refresh my watch I browse thru anon contributors. In my watchlist at least 30% are vandals. If a bot runs, I don't see these anons, so to spot them I have to look into histories of articles last edited by bots. If the last edit was by a logged user I trust he spotted the vandal (with the exception of redlinked user name: chances are it is a newbie or even vandal too). Looking into histories is a burden both for me (I have >3,000 pages on watch) and for wikiengine. That's why I'd like for a bot to report who edited before him.

Of course, simple-minded vandals will be spotted anyway. But in rarely edited pages and with deliberately clandestine vandals one better be on an early warning alert level. mikka (t) 19:13, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

...
<> I see. I didn't think about this. But again, how does the "recent changes" work? I don't think it accesses full histories in the whole my watchlist. mikka (t) 21:01, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bot hiding: This will not help me to see anons that edited immediately before bots. mikka (t) 03:50, 31 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Back alive

Had a lot of privat work in the last days. I dont think that the bot is making nonesence. Perhaps the en-rules are different from the rules in other languages. Ok lets check it. A nother Problem might be that the warnfiles running on the wiki a 1 week old and a lot of this have changed in the last days. ok thats a thing to check .. and i think hat SOMETIMES the Wiki send not the LAST version of the page. So i would be pse if the status is set back. I will only make 100 Edits a day. Save the logging for every day and will everyone can call me. User Flacus / Flabot

obsolete languages in the bot : 

'sh' -> 'hr'
'dk':'da',
'minnan':'zh-min-nan',
'nb':'no',
'jp':'ja',
'tokipona':'none',
'zh-tw':'zh',
'zh-cn':'zh'

Sorry for not answering in the last 2 weeks but i finisted my university ...(no time !!)


My Bot is caled F l a B o t ... somebody is running account with names live F I(<- big-i) a B o t. Thats not my account !!!

sandbot introduction enforcing

I have been working on the introduction templates: substituting subtemplates and stuff and finally I have moved the first one to a more logical name. It seems Sandbot is working properly, since he has reverted my edits to Wikipedia talk:Introduction. Could you please change the lines it enforces to 

{{Introduction1}}<!-- This line generates this page, so please leave it alone. You may test and edit below -->

Thanks --MarSch 16:39, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

There is some dispute about this change - please don't make any change for now - thx in adv. Trödel|talk 16:57, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

WP:NAC Update

Hi, any chance of having VFD Bot update the VFD section of this page on its daily rounds? I did it manually today. Thanks, ;-) hydnjo talk 19:52, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

YABR

Hi there! Sorry to bother you with yet another bot request, but I gave some more thought to the matter of putting 'historical' on all Wikipedia namespace pages. Clearly that isn't going to work. However, something that would benefit from automation is WP:RFC. I'm presently archiving it by hand roughly each week, but it would be very useful if a bot were to go over the list of disputes weekly, and move to the /archive page any of them that haven't been edited for, say, two weeks. This will prevent the RFC list from getting overly long. Ditto for the user conduct disputes - anything left alone for two weeks might not be fully resolved, but is unlikely to get more useful input. I'm not sure how tricky this is bot-wise, but your feedback would be appreciated. Yours, Radiant_* 10:49, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

  • Well, yeah, this would of course require community vote. I hope you don't mind me asking you first, at least that way I find out if it's technically feasible, and if you already think it's a dumb idea there's no sense putting it to the community :) Other than that, yes, the idea was to get the link from the RFC page (they all start with (linebreak) (asterisk) ), and get that page's edit history. Radiant_* 21:46, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
    • Added to RFC/talk. Radiant_* 08:35, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
      • Okay, that didn't yield much discussion, but Xiong thinks it's a good idea (but prefers a timeout of 30 days after creation, rather than 14 days after last edit). I'm putting up a msg at the village pump to see if anyone objects. Radiant_* 12:20, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

WIkiproject

I'm curious as to what wikiproject you are referring to, that exists in my namespace. Thanks, Peregrine981 12:38, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

You can do what you want with that page. It was just a test, and is not a real wikiproject. I removed the category tags. Peregrine981 12:24, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)

Re: DYKbot has run

Lately I've turned over DYK to User:Gdr, you might want to inform him instead. Mgm|(talk) 14:29, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

WikiFun

Thanks for intervening, AllyUnion, I'm working on my questions. If you have time, would I be able to send them to you as I go for you to check out? It's hard to estimate how hard/easy other people will find your own questions. Is there any rules regarding questions? Apart from the answers having to be found using only English Wikipedia and related projects? -- Thejesterx 15:16, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

AllyUnion, thanks for picking up the contest. I don't think I'll be writing any questions; I've done it twice now and it takes a lot of my time. I don't know exactly, but I'd guess I spend between 30 minutes and an hour on each question. Besides, every editor has their own style of questions, and it's better to have some variation.
Note that User:FreplySpang might not answer your message at the moment; see her user page. Eugene van der Pijll 19:34, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

DYK archive

In the archive process, the footer line was incorrectly moved from Template talk:Did you know to Wikipedia:Recent additions 29. (I put it back; see [2] and [3].) There might be a bug in your code, or someone might have made a mess of the formatting on Template talk:Did you know at some point. Gdr 21:20, 2005 Jun 2 (UTC)

Do you want to look into it? I can post a copy of the code for you to look at... -- AllyUnion (talk) 03:00, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No thank you. It's your code, you debug it! But you're welcome to post it. Gdr 13:58, 2005 Jun 4 (UTC)

taxobot

Hiya... I'm finally working on the taxobot. I've editted user-config.py as per your directions (I believe), but when I run login.py, it loops with the following output: 

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\Python24\pywikipedia\login.py", line 34, in ?
    import wikipedia, config
  File "C:\Python24\pywikipedia\wikipedia.py", line 121, in ?
    import config, mediawiki_messages
  File "C:\Python24\pywikipedia\config.py", line 116, in ?
    execfile(_filename)
  File "user-config.py", line 54, in ?
    execfile(_filename)
  File "user-config.py", line 54, in ?
    execfile(_filename)
  File "user-config.py", line 54, in ?
    execfile(_filename)
  File "user-config.py", line 54, in ?
    execfile(_filename)
  File "user-config.py", line 54, in ?

Any help? - UtherSRG 00:28, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)


Need a favor

I just spent several hours disambiguating Knopf, Alfred A. Knopf (person), Alfred A. Knopf, Inc. and Knopf Publishing Group but now I have decidedd (after seeing how the links originated) that I really need to have Alfred A. Knopf be the page for the publishing company. I would like to MOVE [[Knopf Publishing Group there but I need to have Alfred A. Knopf deleted first. I deleted the text I added and nothing no links there. Can you delete that page for me? Thanks. DS1953 03:04, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion says "There are a few, limited, cases where admins can delete Wikipedia pages "on sight". Non-admins can ask for an admin to delete such a page, either by listing it on speedy deletions, or by adding either a {{delete}} or {{deletebecause|Reason}} header." One reason for a speedy is "7. Any page which is requested for deletion by the original author, provided the author reasonably explains that it was created by mistake, and the page was edited only by its author." Since it was MY page and MY edit history, I think this qualified for a speedy deletion but I wanted to do it tonight before I went to bed and didn't want to wait to see if someone would see it on the list. Oh well. I appreciate your suggestion but at this point I am just going to bed and will leave it as it is. Thanks for responding.

Thanks. By the way, the reason I think in this case the main page should be the company is that it is an active publisher and about 90% of the links are intended for the publisher, not Mr. Knopf who has been dead 20 years. It is just a matter of trying to keep redirects and mis-linking to a miniumum.

FlaBot

Greetings! Just wanted to let you know that I have unblocked User:FlaBot and blocked User:FIaBot (capital I instead of lowercase l) indefinitely as a malicious impersonator. It appears the doppelganger was active immediately before the true bot was deactivated and is responsible for several of the interwiki removals and nonsensical interwiki edits. Don't know about the other reported problems -- I checked a good sample of the original's edits and found nothing fishy -- but as it seems the user has returned from other commitments I'll leave that to others' discretion. Thanks, Mindspillage (spill yours?) 00:11, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Then I think I have misunderstood the situation from the way it was explained to me. I see you've reblocked; apologies for creating the extra work. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 17:53, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

VFD Daily Update on WP:NAC

Wow! Thank you :-) hydnjo talk 02:10, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

OK Thanks again. I'll back off and let VFD Bot do its thing. hydnjo talk 11:55, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Oops - VFD Bot listed Sunday, 5 June twice. Dropped Monday, 30 May ok. hydnjo talk 00:57, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

VfD bot extension

Can the VfDbot be extended to remove the {{Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Policy consensus}} transclusion when the page is moved from the main section to the /Old listing? The policy concensus section is a dynamic page with the latest discussions, not an archive of the policies which were being discussed at the time of the VfD page. It really doesn't fit with the archival process we're using for the rest of the VfD discussions. I have been removing them by hand but it occurred to me that this might be an automatable task. (I also remove the comment about <!-- New votes to the bottom, please. -->) Any thoughts? Thanks. Rossami (talk) 01:56, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

That sounds like a great idea. Thank you. Rossami (talk) 06:09, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

re: VfD bot assistant

When you get to the actual closing process, I'm not sure I know what could be safely automated. So many of the decisions require multiple steps. But I may not be the right person to ask. I tend to close only the oldest and therefore the most complex discussions. I suspect that I see all the exceptions and lose sight of the commonalities among the majority of "simple" decisions. I'll give it some thought, though.

Am I correct in assuming that the bot would have to be run for each individual discussion thread? If so, what parameters would have to be fed in? How complex would it be to initiate the bot? Would it be a different bot for "keep" decisions vs "delete" decisions?

The essential steps for a "keep" decision are:

  1. Close the discussion page ({{subst:vt}} and {{subst:vb}} - I suppose the top subst could be modified to allow for a parameter like {{subst:vt|reason}})
  2. Remove the VfD header from the page (which usually follows the naming convention of the VfD discussion page except for second nominations and related nominations discussed together
  3. Add a boilerplate comment to the article's Talk page with a link to the discussion. I usually put the nomination date on the Talk page, but the closure date is probably close enough.

If the VfD discussion has the same name as the article, a simple "keep" decision might be automatable with a single parameter. "Keep as merge", "transwiki", etc. would still require extra steps.

The essential steps for a "delete" decision are:

  1. Check the article's history to confirm that the deletion decision is in order
  2. Close the discussion page (as above but the reason is often much more detailed)
  3. Sometimes, check "what links here" and move or delete all those links
  4. Delete the page

I'm not sure I see how to automate that process. There are too many variables. I'll keep chewing on it, though. Thanks again. Rossami

RFC bot

Hi there! We discussed an RFC archiving bot earlier, and people on the Village Pump think it's a good idea. If you could spare the time, your help would be much appreciated. Scotty or not ;)

Looking over RFC, here's something that I think would work...

RFC has six major sections (=name=), being

  1. top
  2. Overview
  3. Article title disputes (not archived anywhere, but could be added to the below if desired)
  4. Article content disputes (archived in /Article content disputes archive)
  5. Comment about individual users (archived in /User conduct disputes archive)
  6. Choice of username (not archived afaik, but could be added to the above if desired)
  7. General convention and policy issues (archived in /convention disputes)

The first two should be ignored. #3 and #4 start with a bit of a header, then have entries that go like this: "(linebreak) * (optional whitespace) link to page description". So you could plausibly search for the (linebreak)* tag. The description may contain additional linebreaks at times. The section ends with (linebreak) =

All of these are links to existing pages; the relevant discussion is on the talk page. Thus a bit of checking needs to be done to see if the link goes to page, template or category, or already goes to talk, template talk etc. The relevant date for seeing if the discussion has died down would be the last edit of said talk page.

Section #5 works similarly, except that 'descriptions' never contain linebreaks, and that any line not starting with a * is part of the description, and that /Example user and /Example admin should be ignored. In these cases, the links are to new pages specifically made for RFC, so both the date of the main page and of its talk page should be checked.

Section #6 is a mess since everybody comments right there on the page, and thus should be ignored by the bot.

Finally, section #7 works similar to section #5.

HTH! Yours, Radiant_* 11:34, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

Cerritos, California

User:AManSac (User contributions) has been adding a bunch of pictures to the Cerritos, California article taken from the city's officla website and tagging the pictures with a variety of tags suck as {{fairuse}} and {{PD}}. Unfortunately the website has a clear copyright notice, and I can find nothing different for the status of the photos on the website (see [4]). I don't have the time to deal with this mass of images right now, and I am hoping that both since you are an administrator and are from Cerritos, you might want to take a look at this problem. BlankVerse ∅ 12:17, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)


White Dawg

Hi, what would you say to going out on a date with a 20 something, white, multi-millionaire, Bentley-driving rap SUPERSTAR? -BrowardBulldawg 12:28, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Transwiki bot

Hello. You probably don't know me, but your reputation as a botmaker extends across the 'Pedia! So, anyway, I have been doing the bot-assisted transwikis to Wiktionary daily now for a while. (See the log on WP:TL). Well, I'm no computer science person; the bot was actually created by Kevin Rector, who seems to have left the project recently. Well, what I really want as well is a similar bot so I can do transwikis to all the other projects, especially WikiSource, which has a huge backlog and some of those have been hanging around for months (see Category:Move to Wikisource, etc.). There's also a bug or two that could be worked out. I'm sorry I don't really know how much work making a bot like this entails, and it sure looks like you have a lot of bot work! Please contact me if you'd be willing to do it, or if you know anyone else that could. And thank you. --Dmcdevit 20:16, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Of course. I wasn't going to bother with details unless you were actually interested. I can email you the bot, if you want. Can you extract the source from that? There aren't actually any serious problems, and the main thing I wanted was to be able to use it for the other sister projects. The problems are things like when there are quotes in the name it doesn't work, so I have to manually move the page first. And if a redirected template is used, like using a lowercase w in {{Move to Wiktionary}}, the name shows up twice. Also, there are a few more steps that, I think, could be automated. So, again, if you are interested, I'll email it to you, but that's the best I can do without Kevin, hope it'll do. Thanks. --Dmcdevit 04:39, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
It's fine, just tell me what you need, when you can. Thanks a lot. --Dmcdevit 05:07, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Don't mean to sound impatient, but do you have a time frame on this and/or could you suggest anyone else I should contact? There is quite a backlog. --Dmcdevit 05:51, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Oops, I didn't realize you were expecting one. Tell me what I should email you. And I'm under the impression that Wikipedia email doesn't allow attachments. If that's right, you'll have to email me first so I can respond to you. --Dmcdevit 06:40, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Sent you an email yesterday. --Dmcdevit 20:03, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I think I got the bot through to you by email, tell me what you think. --Dmcdevit 18:48, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sex on tha Bitch

Of course I know you is male, son. By go out on a date I meant become mah hoe so I can trick you out to mah fellow pimpettes. -BrowardBulldawg 06:19, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Call to Action

Whereas, much good discussion and work has previously occured on the Barnstar and award proposal page,

Whereas, the level of discussion and progress on the abovementioned page has dropped to a record level of none; no constructive commments have been made on existing awards since May 17, 2005,

Whereas, many "Vote or Die!" have been left open, namely two, as a result of this lack of discussion,

Whereas, nine proposals lie untouched by Wikipedian hands,

Whereas, you have previously commented and helped on the abovementioned page,

Therefore, I, who have absolutely no command in ordering this whatsoever, instruct you, AllyUnion, to return to the barnstar commitment and further the creation of Wikipedian awards; vote liberally and spread your constructive comments.

(Signed) Cmd. Bratschetalk 5 pillars of the Barnstarium Army, 03:24, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

Paging SandBot to Template:

I'd like to invite SandBot to the Template: namespace. Actually, I thought it was active there but apparently it is not. For some reason the sandbox template spaces are defined as places where one can experiment without losing what is being tested. Can SandBot be modified to leave these three alone until 12 hours after the last change? I think that would be a reasonable period for people to test even multiple-template effects; and they can revert to restore where they were before their nap. (SEWilco 03:13, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC))

VFD list

I'm not sure if this is a correct place to discuss this but your VFD bot seems to have missed a few days on your VFD list. It goes directly from June 8th to June 11th. This edit shows when it accidently wiped out all the June 9th VFDs replacing it with June 10th. This edit shows when it accidently wiped out all the June 10th VFDs replacing it with June 11th. I don't think copying and pasting it by hand would help since it would probably overwrite anything I do and since it doesn't solve the problem in the bot code, if any. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 19:03, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

Restarting FPC nomination

Hi AllyUnion,

We've got a slightly unusual situation on WP:FPC at the moment. User:Ed g2s has managed to find a nomination at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Mouse-mechanism-cutaway, that never got properly added to WP:FPC. Its now three weeks later and the nomination has only just been added to the FPC list. However, I suspect that Kurando-san is noticing it is over two weeks old and so is moving it to the close of voting section.

I've just tried changing the date at the top of the nomination, but it occurs to me that Kurando-san may be looking at the date of the first edit on the page history. Any thoughts on how to reset this nomination's clock. -- Solipsist 21:56, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Kurando-san looks for the first date on the page, not the contributions. Sign a new date at the top, and you should be fine. -- AllyUnion (talk) 03:45, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Great, changing the start date looks like it has done the trick. The nomination didn't move last night. Thanks. -- Solipsist 22:10, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

WikiFun, and other less fun things

Hi AllyUnion, thanks for your kind thoughts on my talk page and for carrying on with WikiFun! FreplySpang (talk) 15:35, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

My FARC proposal

I had made a proposal on the Featured Article Removal Candidates criteria a few weeks back in VP, in which you had supported my position. There is a big debate going on regarding the same, and I was hoping you could share your views. See: Wikipedia talk:Featured article removal candidates#Straw poll. Regards,  =Nichalp (Talk)= 09:15, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar and Award Proposal

Hello, AllyUnion! We're deciding on the image for the Bot Barnstar; I have made your suggested BSD Daemon barnstar design. Could you please drop by and tell us what you think? Thanks, Sango123 03:32, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

Since we're on the topic, many thanks for the Barnstar award for the Trek articles. It's been a lot of fun! Cheers! 23skidoo 21:47, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, AllyUnion! I've noticed that you are running Wikipedia:Wikifun right now, and wanted to get your input regarding Wikipedia:Mind Benders. I've recently taken over the responsibilities of Mind Benders, and I've introduced the pre-round and all most of the competition rules. Any comments, suggestions, etc.? How would you recomment that I announce the pre-round? Do the rules for the general competition (round one is almost done, stored in my computer) look good? Thanks! Oh, feel free to promote this to other Wikipedians. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 01:16, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

VfD Closing process

Good afternoon, AllyUnion. There's recently been some discussion about ways to simplify the VfD closing process. I know I have some pride-of-authorship issues and may not be as perfectly impartial as I'd like. Would you mind taking a few minutes to review the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Deletion process#Simplification and share your thoughts? Thanks. Rossami (talk) 20:45, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Mind Benders

Hello! I've noticed your interest in creating logos, barnstars, or your past artistic ability! Thus, I just wanted to let you know that the pre-round, an artistic competition, is now open at Wikipedia:Mind Benders (Shortcut: WP:MIND)! The competition is open to everyone and is seeking a logo/trophy, similar to Barnstars, to be placed on every winner's page. We urge you to help us out and submit an entry! Afterwards, the normal rounds, each consisting of ten or more fun, logical, brain-stimulating questions will open. Why don't you give it a try when it opens! Look forward to seeing your contribution. Thanks, Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 21:47, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. The page was created and then several questions were posted, but the page fell into "disrepair" after a lack of questions. The old maintainer, Multima, has given me the position, and my goal is to turn it into a competition similar to (and as popular as!) WikiFun. I was just wondering on your opinion of the general rules- so far, the rules I've proposed say the first three correct entries get the points (which will be assigned based on difficulty). In addition, I was also seeking feedback for the amount of time one round should last, based on your experience with WikiFun. Finally, any comments, suggestions, or help to make Mind Benders a good competition? Though I don't exactly have high expectations, I'm putting my full effort into it right now. Thanks a lot. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 22:24, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

P.S. The pre-round is only an art competition that will now be related to normal competition.

Possible change for VFD Bot

Your bot seems to be the only thing making any updates to WP:NAC, as the rest of the content there is languishing. I'm wondering if it might not be more appropriate to merge that page with Wikipedia:Goings-on, which is no longer being used much for advertising discussions, but does serve as a place to collect all the various collaboration and feature stuff that's currently happening. The daily VfD pages seem like a logical thing to add there. What do you think? --Michael Snow 23:36, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I went ahead and did the merge, since Hydnjo (who seems to have been the main person supporting the NAC page) agreed that it was okay. So you can change the bot to start updating the Goings-on page now instead. --Michael Snow 03:37, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Interested in an L.A.-area Wiki meetup?

It appears as though L.A. has never had a Wiki meetup. Would you be interested in attending such an event? If so, checkout User:Eric Shalov/Wikimeetup

- Eric 16:15, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)


It's official! The first-ever L.A. Wiki Meetup will be occuring on July 25th, 2005. Are you coming? Would you like to help host? More details on the Meetup page. Be sure to check back regularly for updates! - Eric 30 June 2005 10:48 (UTC)

I seem to have a live one

A couple of days ago I reverted a couple of edits by User:Adr1ann at Angelina Jolie where the user (who appears to be brand new) kept posting a link to a commercial/semi-porn site. I believe this user is the same one who repeatedly tried to post this same link as an anon. earlier in the week. I made the mistake of putting a request on Adr1ann's talk page for her(?) to stop posting the link. And now she(?) is putting gibberish on my talk page (it's right at the top - you can't miss it). I'm not quite sure what to do at this point. It's basically just an annoyance and I don't believe it's serious enough for a vandalism complaint unless the user starts deleting stuff or being abusive (maybe she is - Wikipedia seems to be the only English-language word in her latest missive). So an admin question - is there a place where I can make mention of this other than on Vandalism in Progress? I checked the FAQ but couldn't really find a category for "reporting annoying users". Thanks! 23skidoo 23:18, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Current votes for deletion

The six current votes for deletion appear on both WP:VFD and Wikipedia:Goings-on. This suggests a template might be useful. Gdr June 28, 2005 09:17 (UTC)

VFD bot isn't updating VFDL

Hi, the VFD bot hasn't updated WP:VFDL since June 27. I've had to update manually myself for the past four days. --Angr/tɔk tə mi 2 July 2005 05:52 (UTC)

Footnote bot

Wikipedia_talk:Bots#Footnote_bot: I'm writing code in a modified replace.py.[5] Do you have any interesting code fragments? (SEWilco 3 July 2005 23:24 (UTC))

We all no that the VFDbot is out sorler!! 69.115.115.236 9 July 2005 16:51 (UTC)

Cabbage Hit

Hi. This is just a note to let you know that I've unprotected and deleted Cabbage Hit, since the troll who created it appears long-gone. The content was "This article has been recreated to protect against recreation vandalism. Please do not unprotect the article. -- AllyUnion (talk) 10:53, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)". If you disagree with my change, feel free to revert. Regards, Stewart Adcock 5 July 2005 11:58 (UTC)

Help desk wikiproject

I have created a new Wikiproject which aims to bring computer veterans and people who need help with software tools they use on Wikipedia together. I'm writing this to you because I saw you on the bot list and wanted to know if you would be willing to help. There is already an open case: WikiProject help desk/20050702 Dmcdevit. The Windows tool that Dmcdevit uses to perform Transwikis has broken since the software upgrade. Triddle July 6, 2005 22:33 (UTC)

Introduction Page

Hi! Sandbot hasn't made an edit to Wikipedia:Introduction since June 27. I found the page in a slightly vandalized condition earlier today and although I restored it the last good version included a modified comment. Do you know if there is a problem with the Bot? See the last Sandbot edit almost 500 edits ago. I guess no one is really watching the page diligently since I left - I'll try to check in on it occasionally. Trödel|talk 7 July 2005 17:32 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply - and thanks for all the work you do on the bots - I am sure many people are feeling the pain without them doing all the cleanup - Have a good day - Trödel|talk 8 July 2005 02:07 (UTC)

sandbox

how long douse my edits say in the sandbox's history. 69.115.115.236 9 July 2005 17:07 (UTC)

Deleting Mr. Horse

I'm a little confused. A few weeks ago I made a "Mr. Horse" article linked to the Ren and Stimpy Show article. The other day I saw that it was being considered for deletion. And therein lies the confusion - I've only been using wikipedia for a few months, and I find it an outstanding source of knowledge. However, not all of the "knowledge" in wikipedia is non-fiction, or, for a lack of a better term, real, i.e., fiction, cartoons, etc., and there are many pages devoted to things that don't, er, actually exist as reality. Since I felt a tiny paragraph on the Ren and Stimpy page didn't do the character justice, I gave the fictional equine his own article, so if anyone had a hankering for some more Mr. Horse, or had something to add, could. I vaguely remember the neologism (to me, anyway) "fancruft" describing the article...in any case, a quick search of wikipedia brought out the following fun fact - Petunia Pig has her own wiki page. Yes, Petunia Pig, fondly remembered by all as Porky Pig's belle. Now, if the fault here is that Mr. Horse is insignificant, fine - but where do you draw the line on how insignificant? If a third-tier character from an accepted, or "classic" cartoon franchise such as Looney Tunes can get her own page, why not Mr. Horse? If I actually delved further, I'm sure I could come up with pages and pages of such "fancruft" about obscure fiction characters - if wikipedia feels that these pages need to go, then so be it, but I just don't see who they're hurting, or why Mr. Horse was targeted specifically. -- thesmokingmonkey 10JUL05

Clarifiying Mr.Horse

Okay, now I understand. I made a second Mr. Horse page, perhaps, and the previous deletion vote came up on the page I made. I understand your role (I think), and I was just looking to clarify my confusion - nothing personal, not trying to rock boats or misbehave. Just trying to improve the encyclopedia and play by the rules. And, by the way, I've moved the "Mr. Horse" page to a new "Ren and Stimpy Show Characters" page. Sorry for the mix-up, and thanks for responding promptly.-- thesmokingmonkey 11JUL05

suggestion for NekoDaemon and similar bots

Hi - When you get NekoDaemon running again, can you change the time it runs? I think it's currently scheduled for 23:00 GMT (if I'm doing my time coversions right), by which time it is already the next day for nearly half the world. If it ran at 11:00 GMT then the next day's entry would be there shortly before the next day starts for folks in a +11:00 timezone. If the timing is also related to a load lull, then perhaps adding the entry a whole day early would be better. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) 14:26, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

You replied NekoDaemon is scheduled to create a new page exactly one hour before 0:00 UTC, just like VFD Bot. Then it is scheduled to run again at exactly 5-10 minutes before 0:00 UTC to add the pages. Then it updates and closes out the old pages 10 minutes after 0:00 UTC. However, the thing is that when you add a new entry to the page, the system goes by UTC since everything on the Wikipedia is run accordingly to UTC. It doesn't matter if part of the world is already a day ahead, the autolinker for the date runs by Wikipedia time, not by one's local time. --AllyUnion (talk) 06:54, 13 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The point is that not all CFD users understand that the relevant time is UTC, nor perhaps how to convert from their local time to UTC, nor necessarily what UTC even is (nor that the date transclude is added automatically, which is actually a separate issue that should be addressed, see Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_deletion#Creating_a_new_day.27s_subpage) and occasionally folks east of Greenwich manually add a day file and the transclude. If NekoDaemon were pushed ahead 12 hours (at least the parts creating the day file and the transclude) someone in, say, Tokyo would never be tempted to do this. They might put their CFD entry in the wrong day's section (and, hence, in the wrong day file), but I don't actually think there's any particular harm this causes. Manually creating a day file with the incorrect name or screwing up the transclude mechanism in some other fashion seems like a much more problematic error condition. Are you thinking there's some harm in creating the day file and the transclude 12 hours earlier? -- Rick Block (talk) 13:35, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

The standard that the Wikipedia uses is to follow Universal Coordinated Time (UTC), simply because that's the easiest. Greenwich Mean Time is not the same as Universal Coordinated Time (UTC), as Universal Coordinated Time (UTC) is not affected by daylight savings. It is far easier to follow and force everyone on UTC than to follow on everyone's individual timezones. Furthermore, as I said before, the link to add the entry should be using the Wikipedia's server time which is based off UTC. The link is an auto-generated link cooresponding to the UTC day, month, and year. The reason for not creating it 12 hours earlier is just to prevent from anyone wreaking 12 hours of vandalism. I rather have a smaller window to assert that the page is fine rather than a lengthly 12 hour window. --AllyUnion (talk) 05:22, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I fully understand Wikipedia runs on UTC (and the difference between UTC and GMT) and completely agree that it should. I'm still not understanding what the problem is with adding the link 12 hours earlier. Are you suggesting adding entries under the current "local" day rather than the current "UTC" day is vandalism? IMO this is a very, very minor user error. How about if the "active" day article starts with a header like "Please add new entries in this section" (rather than a date), and the bot changes the header to a date as part of making the next day's article active? Doing this I think there would be a small window where either there are two articles with the "add new entries here" header or there is no article with this header (I think I prefer the latter). In any event, I think we should do something to avoid the current situation where someone in Tokyo might think (incorrectly) s/he should add a new link and day article. -- Rick Block (talk) 17:01, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

FlaBot 2

Hey i still need back my FlaBot-Account. So pse switch it on and stop blocking my. I wrote a tool for Interwiki-Links so i need back my Bot. Blocking generating Interwiki in the EN-Wiki means blocking internationalisation in the Wikipedia. Greetings --Flacus 00:18, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You will have to show me support from a well-established user before I unblock your bot, and the request must be made at Wikipedia talk:Bots. --AllyUnion (talk) 05:27, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have support. i nearly daily write with a Bot-Developer and put my ideas and my patches to him .. so he can fix, develop the bot .. i have always the last working Version from CVS so stop blocking my from work. Here is someone working for the wiki. --Flacus 03:32, 15 July 2005 (UTC) I am a will established user .. look at the number of edits i made in german wiki. I nearly daily talk with user of zwibot or Head and a few other german Bot user. You blocked me. You can reactived me .. So pse do it or i have to talk to other about my problem with your art of blocking.[reply]

Again, you must have another user post approving your bot operations at Wikipedia talk:Bots. If you feel that I've blocked in error, you may take it up to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. --AllyUnion (talk) 06:59, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Head postet something. i hope thats good and ok for the en-bot-policy ? --Flacus 22:41, 16 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

TfD nomination of Template:Text

Template:Text has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Text. Thank you.

SEWilcoBot bot flag

When SEWilcoBot was making its mess of country templates, you expressed concern over it having the bot flag: Wikipedia_talk:Bots#SEWilcoBot. I have now requested the bot flag, and would appreciate if you can make clear whether you still are concerned about it. (SEWilco 15:53, 17 July 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Wikimania competition

I thought you might like to know that since a one of you images was one of the most popular WP:FPC nominations this year, I've entered it into the Wikimania Media Competition -- Solipsist 20:41, 18 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"User talk" bot?

Hello - I was wondering if you had, or were aware of the existence of, a bot that could post the same message to multiple users' talk pages? I am currently helping to organize the L.A. Wiki meetup, and am specifically avoiding using outside sites for mailing list purposes. It seems so un-Wiki-ful to use meetup.com, especially since they charge a fee now. Only users who have signed up would receive the one or two automated User talk messages per month reminding them to vote for a location and to attend. Any help is greatly appreciated. - Eric 23:26, 18 July 2005 (UTC) (Please respond here.)[reply]

Just saw the above note; if you have a bot, I would be interested in it as well so I can leave a message to all Mind Benders participants simultaneously, saving me a lot of time. Thanks a lot! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 18:56, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Mind Benders

Hello, AllyUnion! I once again turn to you for advice. In Mind Benders, where Round One just completed, one person (ROYGBIV) got the majority of the questions first. Deryck C., another participant, suggests that I inform all users when the page is going up so that every user has a fairer shot at answering the questions first. However, I feel that either way, the advantage is going to the user who logs in first. How do you prevent this from happening in WikiFun, aside from making the questions (insanely) difficult? Thanks! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 18:56, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Protecting my user page

Sorry for the annoyance. I'm away for a couple of days; hopefully things will calm down by the time I get back and we can unprotect it. Wish there was a way to watch user talk pages without also watching the user page! FreplySpang (talk) 11:47, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

Plautus arbitration case

It is at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Plautus satire vs Raul654. Fred Bauder 11:26, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Sandbot script?

Hi, could I get the script Sandbot runs, to use on my own wiki? --Phroziac (talk) 20:31, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Stargate SG-1

This is really late, but I was thinking of something else when I editted the SG-1 page. I was wrong. --1pezguy 03:28, August 15, 2005 (UTC)


Abraham Lincoln precedent

User:AllyUnion - I see where you participated in the matter concerning Abraham Lincoln's sexuality that was discussed and voted upon on Talk:Abraham Lincoln. There has been a lengthy and exhausting discussion surrounding this exact same issue at Talk:Elvis Presley and the archived Talk pages as well. Because this has the potential to create a new standard for what is acceptable sources, I thought that you might want to be aware of it.

If the policy consensus you and others arrived at on the Abraham Lincoln issue is set aside in the Presley article it will result in new ones for countless others. I think your group discussion that arrived at a determination of what constituted a proper source should be defined by the Wikipedia community and set as firm policy which would go a long way in helping to substantially reduce the tiresome and repeated edit wars. Thank you for your interest. Please note I have left the same message for others who worked on this matter. Ted Wilkes 20:13, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

vandalism on the Game of Go page

You know when you complained about the size being messed up? It wasn't due to the template, but the template invocation...there is this vandal 67.32.163.29 who deleted portions of the invocation, such that the last parameter specifying size was no longer the 362th parameter, which meant that it was not parsed, and thus used the default size of the image, which happens to be 400x400 for each tile. I initially tried to assume good faith, but I noticed how the vandal only came again when I reverted his edits, and when I posted a message on his talk page and on the edit summary to ask him to stop, not did he not ignore it, he tried to delete my comments on his talk page. Please keep an eye on this. He has a previous history of vandalism too, but apparently no one bothered to warn him previously. -- Natalinasmpf 21:22, 20 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Introduction

Help! All the introductory text above the "local sandbox" seems to have gone missing. I can't figure out if it's your newly revised bot or vandals, and I can't find the right version of the history of the page to revert to.... Mamawrites 08:01, 21 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, I figured it out. Sorry to bother you, you look very busy! Mamawrites 08:05, 21 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

re: VFD Bot & Policy discussions

I think that makes sense. The name change doesn't change the fact that this box is a dynamic transclusion. It never becomes "static". Including it in the archive pages adds nothing but creates a potential (admittedly very small) for confusion. If it's still easy to remove via the bot, that would be ideal. If not, I'll do them by hand when I notice them. Thanks. Rossami (talk) 19:09, 21 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

re:Kurando-san

first of all it seems to work great and I got a laugh on the fact that the name is a bit of a play on words, anyway what I was wondering is how often it checks FPC to do the heading moves. Jtkiefer T | @ | C ----- 01:00, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

Creating a new day's subpage

I fully understand Wikipedia runs on UTC (and the difference between UTC and GMT) and completely agree that it should. I'm still not understanding what the problem is with adding the link 12 hours earlier. Are you suggesting adding entries under the current "local" day rather than the current "UTC" day is vandalism? IMO this is a very, very minor user error. How about if the "active" day article starts with a header like "Please add new entries in this section" (rather than a date), and the bot changes the header to a date as part of making the next day's article active? Doing this I think there would be a small window where either there are two articles with the "add new entries here" header or there is no article with this header (I think I prefer the latter). In any event, I think we should do something to avoid the current situation where someone in Tokyo might think (incorrectly) s/he should add a new link and day article. -- Rick Block (talk) 17:01, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

I apologize for this late reply. I started work and my Wikipedia activity just dropped. The server variables control how something is added to a page. Meaning that it is always auto-linked according to UTC time. It doesn't matter if the other half of the world is a day ahead, the automatic link will always follow UTC time. The concept is illustrated on WP:VFD, where it has "Follow this edit link" The page uses these variables: {{CURRENTYEAR}}, {{CURRENTMONTHNAMEGEN}}, {{CURRENTDAY}}. These variables ALWAYS follow the server settings of UTC time. The full link in wiki text is:
[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Log/{{CURRENTYEAR}}_{{CURRENTMONTHNAMEGEN}}_{{CURRENTDAY}}|action=edit}} this edit link]
Although CFD does not have this particular link, it should since everything on the Wikipedia should follow UTC time. The reason that it is harmful to add the page 12 hours ahead is due to the confusion over timezones. We won't have any method to clearly judge the order of an entry without UTC time. Entries are always placed with newest at the top. But if someone signs their signature with UTC time, then the entries should be lined up according to UTC time. Placing an entry into one day ahead of the Wikipedia may cause the entries to go out of order. Because then you might have people adding to day after the Wikipedia, when they shouldn't. (They add into August 21st, when the Wikipedia is August 22nd... then you have a confusion over where the entry is placed.) Furthermore, it is not that adding entries into a page 12 hours before is vandalism, it's just that you create a window of opportunity of 12 hours for vandalism... rather than just one hour. I can see the reasoning behind your request for WP:CFD but I strongly believe the project should follow UTC despite any date confusion. It would be, actually, more useful adding the automatic link that says, "Add new entries following this link" or something like that. That would force everyone on the same page and on the correct date. --AllyUnion (talk) 09:08, 22 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sandbot question

I was just wondering how you can get a bot to perform an automated task, like how sandbot cleans out the sandbox. Thanks, Shardsofmetal 02:40, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cfd log index

Hi, thanks for having your bot finish the rest of these. I started to do them manually, as I havent coded my bot to do it yet, and it's not approved. I just figured you were on wikibreak or something. Cheers. ∞Who?¿? 19:59, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Kakashi Bot

Heya, Kakashi Bot is running pretty quickly (faster even than the 1req/10s recommended for registered bots), and spamming up WP:RC pretty badly. Could you do these things on one of your flagged bot accounts in future? Thanks. --fvw* 20:03, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

VfD/Old

Hey AllyUnion, so do you trust me to maintain Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Old (adding the daily link and the statistics part)? By the way, your bot does not check if a link already exists, so it creates duplicates. My own bot checks that because it is a bit more sophisticated. So what do you think? I have been wating for an answer since Sunday. Oleg Alexandrov 01:08, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I very much would like to write everything in Perl for all my bots, in particular, for VFD Bot. It's just that I haven't found any Perl code that easily gets the data from the Wikipedia and parses the wiki code. What I've found is that there is something, but it requires a lot different modules of perl to install for it to function properly. (I gave up in frustration, and stopped using it.) The Python pywikipedia framework gave me a set of nice features to use, but the Perl implementation I've seen hasn't come even close to the features that the Python implementation has.
I would like to very much work with you in writing the code together for VFD Bot, as the stats you place on WP:VFD/Old follows much of the work required to do User:AllyUnion/VFD List. I would very much like to try to keep the maintainance from VFD Bot and have your bot account separated from that work. What do you think? Please reply at my talk page. --AllyUnion (talk) 17:44, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
This is a lot of stuff to reply to. Let us start with the Perl vs Python thing. I use the Perl module Meta:WWW::Mediawiki::Client which indeed needs around six other Perl modules to install. but it is not that bad, I did it several times, on Linux. You are right that the Perl package has only upload/download features, and even those are rather limited.
I don't know how much I could help with the VfD bot if that needs Python programming. Python is a really clean language, but I know it little, and anyway from what I saw it is a bit clumsy to use for text processing, which is all the bots do.
Anyway, if there is anything I could help with while doing Perl programming, just let me know. Oleg Alexandrov 22:51, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I wrote a small Python script to read in Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Old, and add a link to the VfD page five days ago. It uses regular expressions, so it will not introduce duplicates, and also it will not get confused by my statistics. Could you try out the following script? Before doing that, one would need to have Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Old saved to disk as a file called 'data.txt'. This because I was to lazy for the moment to integrate the pywikipedia framework. 

#!/usr/bin/python

from time import gmtime, strftime, time
import re

# read the file [[Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Old]] (for now, call it 'data.txt')
fileHandle = open ( 'data.txt' )
vfdold= fileHandle.read()
fileHandle.close()

# define the five days ago and six days ago links (first is not a regular expression, others are)
day = 60*60*24  # one day 
fivedaysago_vfdtag  = '* [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Log/' + strftime('%Y %B %d', gmtime(time() - 5*day )) + ']]'
fivedaysago_vfdtag_re  = '\* \[\[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Log/' + strftime('%Y %B %d', gmtime(time() - 5*day )) + '\]\]'
sixdaysago_vfdtag_re = '(\* \[\[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Log/' + strftime('%Y %B %d', gmtime(time() - 6*day )) + '\]\].*\n)'

# add the line fivedaysago_vfdtag to vfdold unless this already exists
if not re.search(fivedaysago_vfdtag_re, vfdold):
    pattern = re.compile(sixdaysago_vfdtag_re)
    result=  pattern.search(vfdold).group()
    vfdold = vfdold.replace(result, result + fivedaysago_vfdtag + '\n')

print vfdold

Oleg Alexandrov 02:50, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I was under the impression you have to compile the regex in Python before using it... All the bot code (For VFD anyway) is currently located here: User:AllyUnion/VFD bot code --AllyUnion (talk) 06:15, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and the section you should look at is en-wp-vfd-old-update.py --AllyUnion (talk) 06:41, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

OK, your new code does not get confused by anything. It works as long as the <!-- Place latest vote day above - Do not remove this line --> tag is present. Nice. I will add the stats today then, and will see if your bot gets indeed confused or not.

About compiling Python regexps before using them, I did for one of then, and not for the other. Seems to work. :) Oleg Alexandrov 15:24, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Unicodify bot

Well, I'm running it manually, in the sense of checking each edit within minutes. So it hasn't been turned loose. But I'll go ahead and put a notice on the talk page. -- Curps 06:29, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have replied at Wikipedia_talk:Bots#User:Curpsbot-unicodify. Can you explain why you are opposed to using literal Unicode Chinese articles in English Wikipedia articles? You can hardly prevent ordinary users from typing in the Chinese name of Yao Ming or Hu Jintao or other Chinese who will be famous in the future, and from now on, with Mediawiki 1.5, all of those edits will be in literal Unicode Chinese characters. -- Curps 02:47, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Nyah!

What's with NekoDaemon's "...Nyah!"? siafu 01:12, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

VFD Bot issues

Sorry to bother you about this, but the following events occurred last night:

  1. Uncle G's bot created the VfD page: [6]
  2. I added a VfD entry to that page: [7]
  3. Seven minutes later, VFD Bot wiped it out: [8]

Just wanted to inform you.

~~ N (t/c) 13:57, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

VFD/PFD

Hi there! A gradual renaming process has started to move "votes for deletion" to "pages for deletion". Would it be possible to modify VFDBot to create the daily page accordingly? Thanks. Radiant_>|< 08:36, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

  • See Wikipedia talk:Votes for deletion. There's still some discussion going on so feel free to join. I'm not asking that you make changes to the bot immediately, I would simply like to know if it's feasible or a lot of work or anything. Radiant_>|< 08:37, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
    • Consensus would be "Articles for deletion". User:Uncle G is working hard at implementing it, please discuss specifics with him. Radiant_>|< 09:27, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

Botting

Thanks for your help with the Vote/Article conversion.

If I may be so bold as to ask something else... would it be feasible for NekoDaemon to occasionally look through a list of {{Categoryredirect}}s, and move any articles in the redirecting category, into the category it redirects to? For instance, such categories as American painters and United States painters come in redundant pairs and all articles should be in either, not spread arbitrarily among both. Such cat redirs are generally instated by CFD consensus. Yours, Radiant_>|< 18:03, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

Re: Bot page

No problem, of course, although I'm positive there was already one on there. Rob Church Talk | Desk 08:18, 2 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Requests for page protection

Since you're an admin, you can protect pages against vandalism yourself. Just press "protect" and add the {{vprotected}} template. Andre (talk) 17:58, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

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