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Some previous talk at my archive.

Jani Rita and so on. . .

Hi, I just noticed your improvements to Jani Rita's article, and thought I would drop you a line about Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey, which you might want to join, given your contributions. It's always good to add another Finn to the project (my grandparents immigrated to Canada, and it's always been a dream of mine to learn the language, but it's hard to find courses in northernBritish Columbia!). --Scimitar parley 18:00, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi, and thanks! I signed up, and I'll get to work slapping the templates on the pages I've made so far. I'd appreciate it if you check out some of the player pages I've created, like Tim Thomas or Steve Kariya, and tell me what you think. If you do ever get the opportunity to learn Finnish, it's a tough ride; it really is totally unrelated to English, or anything else... I'm starting Estonian in my next university semester myself. -Elrith 01:23, 9.8.05
  • Yes, I'm told it's quite a tough language. Those player pages (especially the one on Thomas!) look quite good. You'll probably find that most hockey players don't have an entry, so even just a couple of paragraphs on one is helpful. It's true for NHL players, and there's even fewer entries for professionals in the European elite leagues. The one thing that could be added is a stats table, but I'm not really sure how to do that correctly. In any case, it isn't that important, unless you want to get an article up to featured status. --Scimitar parley 14:38, 9 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is what happens when you give me ideas. =) I stole the table straight off the template on the Wikiproject Ice Hockey pages. I'll work on getting stats for Jani and some of the other guys up later this week. Hockeydb.com is occasionally pretty lousy about including foreign league stats, so I'm also getting stuff from the official SM-liiga website. I reckon that should be good enough. I'll keep working on the Finnish players' pages, and try to get stats up for Glen and Steve, too. Thanks for the encouragement! -Elrith 01:45, 10.8.05
    • Nice work! There aren't a whole lot of people working on the hockey articles (I do what I can, but mostly focus on the Edmonton Oilers). It's good to see Tim Thomas alnded on his feet. I never thought the Bruins ever really gave him a fair shot, even at a backup role. --Scimitar parley 17:38, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks! I looked Tim's stats over when I was typing them up and I'm really surprised he never got a better shot at the NHL. With Raycroft on board I understand why he's their number one guy, but still. I have to say I'm happy we have him here, smashing records. I've watched him play a number of times and the man is a truly spectacular goalie. -Elrith 00:13 11.8.05

Conscientious Objector?

Hy, I noticed that your a conscientious objector- I was just at the funeral of a guy who went to a CO camp in Canada during WWII. Is your stand based on religious grounds or personal preference? (and just throw a rock at me if this is too personal a question :) ). On another note, TSN.ca is reporting that the Oilers have signed Rita to a one-year deal, so maybe I will get to see him play this year after all! --Scimitar parley 20:32, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Yup, I noticed Rita's signing too. Turns out he had an NHL clause in his contract, and he took it. Darn. =) And the question isn't too personal at all; I'm a libertarian and I think conscription is a serious human rights violation. It's nothing more than slave labor, and I refuse to be any part of the system. I don't have anything against the military, it's just conscription. -Elrith, 00:15 11.8.05
    • Cool, on both counts. I keep hearing talk the Oilers have given up on Rita, so I was pretty happy to see that he's gonna get another shot. He really hasn't had a good oppurtunity to establish himself yet. Could be Mactavish doesn't like him, I guess. --Scimitar parley 21:45, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think Jani is an easy player to misuse. He was on the Finnish national team in this year's world championships, and came away with 0+1 after playing in nearly all the games. His NHL stats aren't exactly impressive, either. On the other hand, he led the SM-liiga playoffs in goals last season. I think he was one of a huge number of players who were totally misused on the national team, which is why he only scored that single assist. He's pretty good on the ice when given a chance to shine, so I hope he gets it next season. But a lot of Finnish players have found that you only get so many chances in the NHL, and if you don't use them, it's the AHL or back home. 17:35, 13.8.05

Finnish volunteers

Hello! Just wanted to point out that your edit to Finnish Waffen SS volunteers wasn't really a revert. A revert usually means one goes back to a earlier version of the article. Just figured I should tell you.

I also wanted to comment on that I think your comments on Talk:Winter_War seem a bit agressive. But that might just be the way I read them. Especially your first comment seemed to be aimed at me, and I just changed one word! :) Usually one gets better results by being friendly. We are not fighting a battle here, just building an encyclopedia. -- Jniemenmaa 14:09, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

The reason I made the edit was that I had indicated in the change history that I was still working on the page when you edited it. You may be correct that it wasn't technically a revert, but I had listed the items in a specific order for a reason, and you changed it without explaining why. I didn't think it was a particularly helpful edit and it wrecked the outline for the page I was building. While editing, I realized I might as well explain what I meant with the bare headlines, which was why I ended up changing it.
As for the winter war article, frankly, your edit was ridiculous. The claim that "allied with Nazi Germany" is POV while "with Nazi Germany" is not is laughable. I know my comments seem aggressive, but when I am presented with propaganda reasons for changing my edits, I don't know how to argue against them rationally. I intentionally abandoned participating in any way in the existing articles on Finland in the Second World War because of the massive bias toward the Finnish "politically correct" view of the war, which means accepting contemporary political propaganda like "co-belligerence" as fact. If Finland and Nazi Germany were not allied in the Second World War, this requires redefining "allied" to a definition by which no two countries in the war were allied. I realize that you and many of the other contributors to these articles won't accept this, and I don't have the time or energy to try to persuade you, since I would be arguing against a political belief. I won't be making any further appearances on those pages. -Elrith, 17.8.05

Jesse Niinimaki

Hey, thanks for the note. I've been meaning to do a page on him for a little while now (it was somewhere on my to-do list, although I'm not sure where). I added some links and categories. Do you know if he's going to see top-6 ice time with Jokerit?--Scimitar parley 13:46, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • That's good, hopefully he'll have a little more success there after an abysmal AHL season. He showed flashes, but couldn't consistently compete here, from what I saw. From what I read, part of that might have been the language barrier and culture shock, in which case this might actually be a step back in terms of NHL development. Ah well, at least he'll get to play.--Scimitar parley 15:37, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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