Talk:List of honorary British knights and dames

Can anyone point me to some concrete evidence that Sergey/Sergei Kruglov was knighted? The London Gazette's archive doesn't come up with anything when I search for Kruglov. Slicing 19:15, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

According to one Russian book detailing the lives of our secret police chiefs, Sergey Kruglov received some unnamed British order for providing security at the Yalta and Potsdam Conferences. Mapple 20:35, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I had been fleshing out this page by searching on google for "Honorary Knight", but I just realized that I'm missing all the "Honorary Dames". So the disparity on this page in the ratio of males to females is entirely my fault due to that oversight. I will get around to fixing it eventually unless someone else finds this topic interesting enough to work on with me. :-) Jimbo Wales 21:18, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I notice that someone added Anthony Hopkins, who was then removed because he is a "real Knight"... But isn't he a United States citizen these days? Does that make him now honorary? Does anybody know how that works? Might be worth adding to the page, perhaps, if anyone does know! Angmering 15:30, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I don't believe he actually renounced British nationality. -- Necrothesp 12:46, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No, he didn't. Also, Sidney Poitier isn't an honorary knight; as a dual-citizen (Bahamas/USA) who has a citizenship of a Commonwealth country that recognises the British monarch and awards knighthoods, he's a genuine 'Sir', so removing from list. Also changing 'subject' to 'citizen'; see 1981 British Citizenship Act. -- Holgate 21:43, Apr 2 2005 (UTC)

Although it should be pointed out that Sidney Poitier never uses his title. -- Necrothesp 22:00, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Indeed, though it is used on his behalf when he's on diplomatic business for the Bahamas. -- Holgate 13:26, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I know the Bahamas recognises the monarch but are you certain that they are allowed to accept bonafide British Honours ? In Canada we recognise the monarch but the practice of awarding british honours was severed with the Nickle Resolution in the 1930's. Dowew 18:12, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Title

This was moved to List of honorary British knights; I've moved it back to List of honorary British Knights, the correct capitalisation. HTH. James F. (talk) 13:44, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hong Kong

Several people from Hong Kong have recently appeared on this list. Presumably most, if not all, of these people were actually awarded substantive knighthoods/damehoods, as they were British subjects at the time, so should they really be on this list? Have their awards now switched to honorary awards (I'm not even sure if it is possible for a substantive award to retroactively be made honorary) or do they simply choose not to use them? If the latter then they should probably be removed. -- Necrothesp 23:14, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Knights of British India

There were many who were awarded Knighthood in india during british regime. I don't find them in the list. Should their names be here?

VP

No. They were awarded substantive knighthoods, not honorary ones, since India was a full part of the British Empire. Only citizens of protectorates (like Zanzibar) and mandated territories (like Palestine) received honorary awards. Even subjects of the Indian princely states (and the princes themselves) received full awards. -- Necrothesp 1 July 2005 09:44 (UTC)

Foreign royalty also qualifies as honorary knights, I guess. I've added several monarchs from Europe and Asia to the list. Mapple 13:56, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

References ?

I would like to ask if there are any official reference lists (preferrably online) that one could consult regarding the Order of the British Empire. Thank you for any information you can provide. Tasis

Knights or Ladies?

I suppose that foreign Queens become Honorary Knights of the Garter, not Honorary Ladies. Am I mistaken? Mapple 06:33, 9 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

According to this article they are Ladies, but it may be wrong. -- Necrothesp 10:16, 9 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There is a contradiction there. I'll quote, 'In 1987 Her Majesty the Queen decided that ladies should be eligible for admission as Companions of the Order, with the same rank and privileges as Knights Companions. The first Lady Companion to be appointed was Lavinia Duchess of Norfolk in 1990, followed in 1995 by the former British Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher.' Thus neither Queen Beatrix (1988) nor Queen Margrethe (1979) are counted among Ladies. But 'Her Majesty Queen Beatrice of the Netherlands joins HM Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother, her own mother Princess Juliana and Queen Margarethe of Denmark as the contemporary Ladies of the Order and HM The Queen's daughter HRH Princess Ann...'. Mapple 18:03, 9 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not really a contradiction. Ladies had been admitted to the Order on an honorary basis pretty much since its foundation. The Duchess of Norfolk was, however, the first to be admitted to the Order as a full Companion counting as one of the 25 full members. See Order of the Garter#Sovereign and Knights. -- Necrothesp 18:41, 9 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I know... but were Ladies admitted as Honorary Ladies, or as Honorary Knights? For example, what post-nominal letters, if any, were used for Queen Margrethe II in 1979, when there were no Ladies Companions--'LG' or 'KG'? Mapple 19:04, 9 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Anne Murray

according to her wikipedia page, Canadian singer Anne Murray was made an honourary DBE. Murray was the first canadian singer to get a #1 record in the United States. Is this DBE correct or vandalism ? Dowew 17:52, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]