Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Cyberpunk/archive2
Self-nom, though I'm not too emotionally invested in it. ;) This article was nominated to FAC several months ago, and back then everyone including myself voted against it. I think the intervening edits, by myself and others, have addressed our objections pretty well. I put the article up for peer review, and the only comment it gathered was about fair use rationales for the images, which I researched and provided. Overall, I think the article is useful and not too fannish; if people raise good solid objections, I won't be too dismayed. Anville 11:11, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
- Neutral for now, but the paragraph on the #Protagonist is fannish and a bit naive to literary terminology, and there is a little wiki-itis shown in all the agglutination of "types of this, types of that, types of the other" appended to it. ("Wiki-itis" is when "anyone can edit" means that people start appending examples rather than developing discussion. It's the infamous "Famous comedies" stuck into the middle of Comedy.) Also, it's interesting that the rationale for the adoption of "punk" isn't included anywhere. It only deserves a sentence, but the early practitioners picked up the sole universal of punkrock: anti-corporate sentiment. There seems, withal, to be a lot of appeasement of various editors with special interests, and there isn't a strong thesis that orders all the information. Geogre 13:57, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
- Support. I haven't been involved in this article (although I did just make a minor edit.) I'm not sure what Geogre's complaint is in reference to; perhaps it has been fixed up after he made his remarks? In any case, this seems to be a very well-written article, admirably organized. I'm not sure if Geogre is correct in his assesment that the "punk" in cyberpunk implies an "anti-corporate" sentiment -- indeed, many of cyberpunks early fans and writers had strongly libertarian leanings AFAIK. Again, AFAIK, the word "punk" was chosen mostly for its suggestion of abrasiveness and rebellion against the then-current utopianism of science fiction -- i.e., the "punk" of cyberpunk referred mostly to the writers themselves, who saw themselves as "punks" in contrast to establishment writers. I don't think discussion of this point needs to appear in the article, partly because it is just speculation, and also because the actual politics of cyberpunk are admirably addressed in an NPOV manner. Sdedeo 21:10, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
- I did try to clean up the "protagonist" paragraph, as per Geogre's remarks. (And thanks for your edit!) Anville 08:11, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
- Object. First off, I just want to say I think this is a very good choice for an FAC. It's an article that represents modern pop culture very well. However, it has some problems:
- The lead is much too short for such a big article.
- Small paragraphs and very long quotes make it harder to read. The paragraphs need to be looked over and the quotes need to be summarized and then italicized so they are easily distinguished from the text. Most of these quotes can be summarized by the editors.
- Merge all the information about cyberpunk in games, movies, music fashion etc. One section with sub-section should do.
- If possible, I would like a picture to go right at the top next to the lead. No squabbling about which pic it should be, though. Consensus and compromise is the way to go.
- I'll help out with this, so don't despair. / --Peter Isotalo 13:54, 13 September 2005 (UTC)