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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Marianocecowski (talk | contribs) at 07:16, 14 September 2005 (→Move?: -nah). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

See /Archive1 for older discussion.

I moved the discussion about the province names to the archive because it basically got dry. There are so many articles using the old format that the cost in time of renaming and fixing links would probably be too high, and since a strong (abundant) consensus was not reached, I think we might consider this closed for a while. Feel free to paste the discussion back here if you want to revive it. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 22:18, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Translations

I just created a stub for our national flower, the ceibo (actually that's a redirect to Erythrina crista-galli). I took most of it from the Spanish Wikipedia (es:Ceibo). On doing this, and after translating several National parks of Argentina articles, I realized that we need translators (or at least helpful bilingual people) with a background on botany, zoology, ecology and similar. Otherwise we're missing very good descriptive content. --Pablo D. Flores 12:35, 12 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Problem is, there are very few of us actually working in Argentine related articles, not to mention specialist. Besides you and me, there are a couple more with isolated contributions (User:Jfa, User:Maberk, User:Qsebas) or focused around football ( User:Elpincha, User:Sebastiankessel), or not into Argentine topics at all (User:Luis María Benítez). Perhaps it would be wiser to ask for help at some spanish-language-related place? Try perhaps Wikipedia:WikiProject Latin America countries.
BTW, good work with the National Parks. Texts are not so complete, but give a good idea about the topic, and connects to other information sources for those interested in knowing more. -Mariano 14:50, 12 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hoaxer is back

Known Argentine vandal author of VFD:Rana lechuza, VDF:Blue tiger, VFD:Vandera, VFD:Pumpkin spoof, VFD:Gauchos Pesados, VFD:Glamorous cumbia and God knows what else, brought as a new artice: Eduardito De La Puentes. Please, do not move this page to Eduardo de la Puente if you would like to fix it in order match the journalist, but rather create a new article so this can be deleted and the hoax is not kept in the history. Thank you very much, Mariano 08:29, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination for adminship

People, I propose we nominate Mariano for adminship. He has the experience and the required # of edits to be an admin, besides, it will come useful for all the edits he's doing. See here Administrators.

If we get some kind of agreement in this page, I'll propose the nomination on Requests_for_adminship.

--Sebastian Kessel 16:49, 22 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, let's first ask Mariano if he wants to be an Admin! :o)
I've been reading a bit about what does it mean to be an Admin. Basically its just an user with the ability of deleting articles and uploaded files, protecting and unprotecting pages and blocking and unblocking IP addresses(FAQs); that is: Fighting Vandalism. It's true that I've been prosecuting a few vandals lately, but thanks god (cross fingers, touch left one) we don't have any serious vandal on Argentine articles.
What I want mean is that I'm not sure we actually need and Argentine Admin. But if you decide we need one, I would be of course honoured to go for it. Sebas, thanks for your vote of trust. -Mariano 08:12, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Let's hope you don't need to use your powers very often. :) --Sebastian Kessel 15:14, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
We don't need an admin, but it's always good to know that a capable person, someone you can trust, is there to set things straight in case anything goes wrong. I support. --Pablo D. Flores 16:00, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Pablo's message was enough for me :). He is nominated in Requests_for_adminship, if you wish, please show support. --Sebastian Kessel 16:06, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

New Categories

I've created two new categories:

[[Category:Boca Juniors footballers]] and [[Category:Footballers in Argentina by club]]

I've mimicked the Spanish hierarchy for this (see [[Category:Footballers in Spain by club]]), and even when we do have [[Category:Argentine footballers]], the former one should group them by club, whereas the latter just shows that they are from Argentina.

People willing to help categorize all football players by their club is more than welcome.

You can avoid the nowiki tags and insert category names by prefixing an extra : to the name: Category:Footballers in Argentina by club. The question I have is, with players being sold and bought all the time, will everybody keep track? Or the categories will include players who were in a team but are no more? --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 18:01, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
They should include players who played for the club, regardless of their current status. At least, that is the way the spanish categories are organized and the way I started to categorize the players. For example, Maradona is still in Category:Argentine footballers. It may be too much to handle if we try to keep up with the market. Besides, around 25 players are in a team at one point...

PS: Thanks for the tip. --Sebastian Kessel 18:31, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Glamorous cumbia

Does anybody know why Glamorous cumbia was undeleted? --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 22:12, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well I checked myself. Shoaler undeleted it, after seeing that the VfD hadn't had much support. He now knows what the problem was. Now the article should be deleted again, but some of the text, IMHO, should be incorporated into another article (Argentine cumbia?). --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 01:32, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Pablo, only an administrator can actually delete an article. It was restored because the voting had no result, and your comment (some of the text, should be incorporated into another article) makes it feel we should do that other article before deleting Glamorous cumbia (what I think would be the best, got any spare hour? :) -Mariano 08:41, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I've just created Argentine cumbia. It needs expansion and checking, but it's a start. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 17:24, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I just noticed that Glamorous cumbia has a German counterpart. Anyone who reads German and who can check what the people over there wrote or translated, and leave a message? --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 10:28, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't seam to be a translation of Glamorous cumbia, but rather an article about Romantic cumbia in Argentina, with a short article-less reference to Glamorous cumbia. Check altavista translation[1]. I thin we could leave a message in English in the Talk Page. -Mariano 10:42, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Admin - Leave of Absence

I want to thank Sebastian for the nomination, and all those who voted took a minute to vote at Requests for adminship . I hope I will fulfil your expectations.

On the other hand, I'm afraid that, starting today, I will take a Leave of Absence on a last-minute all-of-the-sudden imperative "mission to take pictures in order to make them freely available at the Wikipedia" (a.k.a. "vacas"). I don't know if I will be able to get my hands on a computer, but I might be only for an hour or so. I'll be back next wednesday (7th) or thursday.

Take care, Mariano 06:38, 31 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it seams I'm going nowhere. A piece of advice, if you are planning on going to Bulgaria, check wether you need a Visa or not... - Mariano 18:28, 31 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Admin

"contact administrator Mariano for assistance."... It looks like it went to his head already. :)

jajaja, tipico argentino, eh? :)

--Sebastian Kessel Talk 19:01, 31 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Shut up or I'll blok you! and its Sir Mister Administrator for you. :oP
-Mariano 07:30, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Oh dear, it started... :) --Sebastian Kessel Talk 17:30, 6 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, everybody, Tcalle has created Argentinian Legal System. It is a prime candidate for VfD unless we really improve it. I tidied up a little bit, but I'm going to need lots of help building it... Maybe we should contact User:Tcalle, to help. He probably has some ideas in mind.

--Sebastian Kessel Talk 17:32, 6 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I would prefer someone to fix both Law of Argentina and Constitution of Argentina rather than deleting them. I think they are the kind of thing the Wikipedia should have. Models for the constitution are United States Constitution or the Spanish model with different constitutions (Spanish Constitution of 1978), or at least a brief description such as that of Constitution of Slovenia. For the Law system: Law of the United States and Law of Australia. I'm afraid I have neither the time nor the knowledge to do it myself. Pablo? Mariano(t/c) 07:52, 7 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I've been wanting to get an Argentine constitution article. I'll take a look at it, since the important things are already there. Law of Argentina is much much too broad for me to tackle. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 11:14, 7 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Move?

Guys, this page is evolving from a "Notice Board" to a project. Shouldn't we move some of the content to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Latin_America_countries, or create a Wikipedia:Wikiproject_Argentina?

Just an idea.

--Sebastian Kessel Talk 18:12, 13 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I would go for WikiProject Argentina. I feel, however, that for this to make sense it is necessary that there are at least two kinds of users, 1) those who can contribute from time to time or just appreciate having articles and news on Argentina, and 2) those who do and want to contribute to make articles at a good rate, with research and sources and all. Group 1 will just take a look at the notice board, Group 2 will also join the WikiProject. We could do this already, but if there are not enough people in both groups, splitting the page seems unnecessary.
Of course when I speak of groups I don't mean a clear split, or membership or anything of the kind. The idea is that the board should start to function like a board - attracting visitors actively looking for news and articles on Argentina. Once this is done, the project will be a natural step forward. The sad reality being that at present we're just cuatro gatos (give or take), setting up a project sounds prematurish. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, though. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 21:52, 13 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Pablo, we are really four crazy cats, and sometimes the RNB seams too big for us. A Wikiproject demands much more work and attention, which I prefer to dedicate to the Wikipedia itself. Hope some day we get more steady contributors to need one! -Mariano(t/c) 07:16, 14 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Election and politics articles

I propose we adopt a standard format for articles on elections. We have Argentine presidential election, 2003 and then Elections in Argentina has a number of red links named Argentine elections, YYYY. Now a gazillion articles link to the 2003 elections article, but most do so through {{Politics of Argentina}}, so changing the template will solve the redirect problem.

My idea:

  1. Let's keep articles on parties separate from articles on elections, template-wise. The now long dead Intransigent Radical Civic Union, for example, has nothing to do with the 2003 elections. Maybe there should be a template with the major parties of today and historically important parties.
  2. Let's name all articles using the same format. I propose Elections in Argentina, YYYY. It avoids the adjective (which everyone gets differently) and keeps the trend of the main article. We can make a bunch of redirects later.
  3. Let's actually write the articles on the previous elections. :) At least presidential winners and/or some comment on the political implications.
  4. Argentine presidential election, 2003 should be moved and incorporate more info; we have es:Elecciones argentinas (2003) to get data.

--Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 22:25, 13 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I like it. :) --Sebastian Kessel Talk 22:30, 13 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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