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Templates
Hi. I'm sorry if my efforts to rationalize templates offering the same content but in different formats appear to be less than worthwhile. However:
- The mistakes made with the feminism templates were corrected, thanks to User:VoluntarySlave's alert;
- Sure, everything should continue working without trying to tidy up afterward, but (1) why leave more and more redirects around? (Everything's in the history, no?); and (2) more importantly, if the rename is to remove an ambiguous/cryptic name or an oversight (e.g. incorrect capitalization), less names are left hanging around that might mislead newcomers etc;
- Changes to the discussions on (archived) discussion pages don't take place; only changes to links within those discussions;
- I only use {{db-author}} when I rename something and then rename it again because I made a mistake. The first rename is then redundant (and a mistake) and the only contributor to it has been myself.
- Consensus-wise, I've discovered WP:BRD alongside WP:SILENCE (or not) is what works.
I have been thinking, however, that the brackets in "...(sidebar)" may be less than worthwhile, although the idea was to echo Wikipedia's article disambiguation method. (In cases like "Feminism (expanded sidebar)", however, "Template:Feminism sidebar (expanded)" would seem to follow.) What do you think? Sardanaphalus (talk) 10:44, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. Regarding your responses to the above:
- My apologies. I thought this had fixed all the erroneous updates, as it did on other pages, but now realize Feminism was the page I used to check the correction process and didn't then include it in that process. Unfortunately, I'm only human.
- Okay, perhaps (for now) it is better to accumulate redirects. Looks like this indicates a shortcoming in the system, however. On the other hand, nobody's messaged me to ask where a template's gone / why it's now redlinked.
- I don't understand why updating links isn't a satisfactory reason for "changing" archives. Also, I don't see where/why "being bold" doesn't/can't apply to templates or elsewhere. The above is only one instance where it went awry.
- "such frankly weak and questionable renaming rationales". Okay, I read you; I just happen not to agree, that's all.
- See 3. As regards WP:BRFA, I'm not running a bot. As regards earlier comments on this page, absence of don't-mind/thanks-for-update comments doesn't mean there's no-one who doesn't mind or might understand my contribution. I guess it's just WP:SILENCE in action. So far, for instance, I'm guessing you don't mind whether or not brackets such as those in "Template:Feminism (sidebar)" are included.
- Okay, I'll stop trying to tidy up defunct names, at least for the time being, on the basis of 2. immediately above. I'm still puzzled by the idea that updating links in archived discussions is the same as changing those discussions, but, if you firmly believe such pages should be off-limits to AWB or the like, perhaps this is something to raise somewhere on the AWB pages, e.g. to suggest that AWB doesn't include talk/discussion pages by default in the lists of pages that it creates -- at least, not until it's easier for people to see why and with what a deleted link has been replaced. (My first thought in such a situation has been to see what's happened on one or two pages where a now-redlinked template is/was placed; not that painful or frustrating, but, yes, not ideal.)
- Meanwhile, I'm sorry if my error with AWB and the feminism templates suggests I'm contributing "without sufficient attention to the effect" of my edits. If it were something that happened regularly, maybe so; but it isn't. A little more slack, please. I'm also sorry if you think I am disregarding or will disregard what you say; a little more "AGF", please? Finally, I'm not meaning to suggest WP:SILENCE is an argument for changes, just an observation about (the vast majority of said) changes.
- A few issues have now been raised, so if I've missed responding to one, let me know. Sardanaphalus (talk) 18:32, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
- PS I forgot to thank you for repairing the incorrect edits on the Feminism page, so, thanks for doing so.
{{Central Bank}} vs {{Central banks}}
I did notice that it was the same person who moved and tagged it, but I agreed with the sentiment (there is more than one Central bank, plus the main article is List of central banks). The net benefit is consistency, I suppose. ... discospinster talk 14:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
- I take the opposite view though, that article redirects based on capitalization (specifically, a redirect from an uncapitalized title to a capitalized one) are more useful than their template counterparts. Articles are often searched for by those unfamiliar with Wikipedia capitalization conventions, while templates are more likely to be added by someone who has a bit more experience with the project and will know where to look if his/her efforts aren't initially successful. (In this case, adding {{Central Bank}} will create a redlink template, but the editor would simply search for an article that would have the template, and find out what the "correct" format is.) ... discospinster talk 14:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you.
On April 1, 2007 you deleted a page dedicated to insulting me. Going to create a page about me just now I saw what they wrote. You deleted it. Thank you. I appreciate it since the ones who wrote it never made it into sixth form and I am presently head boy in another school. So much for failing miserably in every subject. They are the idiots. Thanks again, my friend. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheWedgies (talk • contribs) 06:33, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
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I noticed that Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub type sizes/data hasn't been updated for a few months. As you seem to be the user who updates it, can you please do so? עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
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I was wondering if you can help me create a bot for me thank you--Vanhalenjump (talk) 02:54, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
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Azerbaijan and Nepal
Hi we urgently need to split the Azeri places by rayon. There are now 4600+ stubs. P.S you can't exactly say I "don't do proposals" anymore. At least five of the recent proposals have been made by me! The Bald One White cat 22:07, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
LOL. Thanks. Sorry about the Brazil road stubs though. Earlier I was going through and adding new categories anyway so I thought I'd do it as I went as there were 60+!! I'm currently looking at Nepal which I am going to develop because we have population data and demographics. For instance see Achham District etc. At present the Nepal stub category is fine but I will be adding 60+ articles from each of the districts. I would propose Achham-geo-stub once it hits 60, Other than this we could create some upmerged templates first AND/OR split them by zone *(region) first like Template:SetiZone-geo-stub. What do you think? The reason I didn't finish countries like Togo and Afghanistan was becuase editors started moaning at me because they didn't have population figures. The Bald One White cat 19:00, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Yep, I agree. Shouldn't be a problem for sometime yet. I'll propose creating upmerged templates by zone first in the future once it gets to that stage. I'll be restructuring the categories anyway so applying the templates by division in the future should be easy. Regards The Bald One White cat 19:10, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Howdy. Bheri Zone just passed 60 too The Bald One White cat 08:24, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
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Edit summaries for uncat work
On the wp:uncat page there are a couple of tags suggested like [[WP:UNCAT|+cat]]. I understad the use of +cat but why the rest of the tag? Is it just to encourage people to check out the page or are there other uses? --Sultec (talk) 10:11, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Nepal
Nepal geo stubs has now exceeded 1,000. You can see the ones that I am working on. Some of the districts have 100 odd places in them but by zone would be reasonable I think The Bald One White cat 20:35, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Ah LOL OK! Yes by zone is probably best. Could you use the bot to apply them? Wow ypu've done it. Well done Alaibot! The Bald One White cat 09:41, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Oh if we had good zone maps which were clear I woukld have used those but infortunately we only have those color ones showing the districts and its difficult to make out what it is anyway. I figured the Nepali flag was easier to comprehend. Many thanks for applying them though, Best The Bald One White cat 09:54, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Nope it looks fine at 200px but at 40px is doesn't work so well. Ah well worth a try The Bald One White cat 15:15, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Alaibot request
Category:California geography stubs has some hundreds of articles tagged with {{California-geo-stub}} that could easily be given county stubs. You figured out how to have the Alaibot sort Ohio geography stubs (example); could you perhaps do the same with California? Nyttend (talk) 13:22, 3 September 2008 (UTC)