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Happy editing! D. J. Bracey (talk) 23:04, 9 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You just did. All you have to do is leave a message on their talk pages. To leave your signature use four "~" symbols. D. J. Bracey (talk) 23:12, 9 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I am sorry to hear that, your edits are not nonsense. Whoever posted that went against the "no biting the newbies" policy. Please use the library instead, Kinko's is way to expensive. D. J. Bracey (talk) 23:15, 9 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome

I am glad that you have decided to register an account here, you have made so many anonymous (unregistered) edits, and it is easier to communicate with a registered user and your comments and votes will be more respected now. Consider telling us about yourself on your User page. I'm not a big fan of using an email address and a user ID, but since you have advertised it often in your past comments, I guess it is not a problem for you. If you wish to claim credit to your previous posts, just make a note of some of the IP addresses you have used (like this one). You are a prolific editor in all sorts of biographies. Where do you find all this stuff? :-)

Concerning the minor revert war you have been involved in: Go to the talk (discussion) page of the article and talk it out with the other editors. Finding sources that back up your position and working out a compromise with other editors is a good thing. Here is the talk page you may want to discuss the Affleck, Connery issue: Talk:List of Catholic Actresses and Actors. Read and learn the Three-revert rule so you won't get yourself blocked in the future over some minor point you disagree with someone else about. A block will stop your ability to edit all articles (even those no one disagrees with you over).

Welcome aboard and feel free to contact me if you need help, and always keep your cool when dealing with other editors. NoSeptember 00:41, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]


TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: HI!! I know a lot about actors and actresses because I have lived kind of vicariously through the arts and have studied and remembered a lot of things, often displacing old incorrect info. with the new info. that invariably becomes uncovered after death or even in life, especially these days!!

I am afraid I passed the three-revert rule long ago, but in my experience the block is very temporary, but I agree that it is pointless to keep correcting stuff that is going to be reverted back by the editor in charge. Please ask Gamaliel or whoever to please PERMANENTLY EXCLUDE Sean Connery, Ben Affleck and Burt Lancaster from the Roman Catholics list because this is completely incorrect, and IN EXCHANGE I PROMISE NOT TO INTERFERE WITH ANYTHING IN THE JEWISH-AMERICAN SHOW BUSINESS FIGURES LISTS THAT I MAY HAVE HAD CAUSE TO DISAGREE WITH (ESPECIALLY SINCE THE DEFINITION OF WHO IS A JEW IS ADMITTEDLY MORE COMPLICATED)!! THANKS!!

  • Don't forget to sign your comments, just type ~~~~ at the end. By the way, there is no "editor in charge" on article pages, this is a community cooperative project, and you are an equal part of it. We may have votes to determine what the consensus is from time to time, but no one is "in charge". And SCREAMING in all CAPS is usually not a good idea, it just upsets some people (though not me). Good luck, NoSeptember 00:57, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

SORRY--I didn't mean to scream in caps. What about my suggestion?? It really irks me to have incorrect info. floating about that there is no basis for. Please consider it--I'll check back tomorrow with you if I can figure out how. Bye.

Editing in Wikipedia

Howdy! Welcome, I see you have been a whirlwind of editing.

Some tips to help you with editing:

  • 1) Please, please, sign your entries on talk pages with four tildes: ~~~~, it helps to keep things straight.
  • 2) In an article, we normally do not put in a second WikiLinki in the body of an article. You can add an additional WikiLinki in a list after the main text.
  • 3) We do not put words in all CAPS, unless they are proper pronouns, like UNESCO or some such.
  • 4) In dates, do not use ordinal suffixes:
    • Incorrect: February 14th
    • Correct: February 14
    • Incorrect: 14th February
    • Correct: 14 February
  • 5) Dates of birth and death:
    • (12 February 1809 – 19 April 1882), with brackets of course, is preferred [(12 February 1809–19 April 1882) is acceptable]

SEE: Wikipedia:How to edit a page for more information.

Also:

  • I hope you will put some info in your user page:

User:Rms125a@hotmail.com, to let us know something about you.

Happy editing! WikiDon 03:36, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]


WikiDon--I knew about the ordinal suffixes before you even mentioned them--I correct them whenever I see them!!

  • I only mentioned it because you changed "8 December" to "December 8th" in Lauren Bacall.
  • Also, as a general rule, Wikipedia does not use first names only in the body of articles. We use surnames, or "he"/"she". You changed "He" to "Paul served in the Navy..." in the Paul Newman article.
  • Questions for you:
    • Why don't you use the "Edit summary"?
    • Why don't you sign your talk entries?

WikiDon 23:00, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, WikiDon--I am kind of a computer illiterate, or at least an Internet illiterate. Most of my info comes from the IMDB or the clippings files at the NY Public Library for the Performing Arts at Lincoln Center, or the Social Security Death Index, or info. that I obtained from my old job, and I can't always recall on the spur of the moment from whatever Internet Cafe I am at where it was that I got the info. from, but please believe me that I am conscientious and meticulous and would never put any info. down that I did not wholeheartedly believe to be true (e.g. my ongoing battle about certain Catholic and Jewish individuals who are not properly categorized).

I don't remember why I would have put December 8th in the Bacall case, but in Paul Newman's case, I think I thought the syntax was a little confusing and that it was possible that Paul's father, who is mentioned immediately prior, could have been the one who served in the war because Paul was only a teenager and not all teenagers can reliably be assumed to have served, although obviously many did (Newman, Tony Curtis, etc.). Are you in Britain, by the way since I see that many dates of birth/death are reversed from the way they would appear in the U.S. (December 8) or (8 December).

Thanks for your time--sorry to be such a bother. Cheers!!

  • I do the first name thing sometimes myself. As for the date thing, I have been doing that for some time now, it is a internation/military/filling thing. Either 2005-12-8 or 8-12-2005 depending on the filing system. I like it better, would like to see everyone use it. To learn how to fill in the "Edit summary" and sign your talk entires, read this section and the section below carefully.
  • A "TILDE" is this symbol: ~ (SHIFT+`) Hold down the SHIFT key and hit the key just to the left of "1" key. If you do three TILDE's you get your WikiHandle, if you do four you get your WikiHandle & the date and time stamp:
  • The "Edit summary" is the box at the bottom of the box or window that you edit in. Put a summary of what you have just done in the article. Example: "added link, corrected spelling, added spouse info."
    • I know you know how to use it, becuase you have done it with some of your edits under the IP address before you created this account!
  • I have looked at some of your edits, and I am noticing some mistakes. I would like to recommend that you read the tutorials that are linked on this page, and also that you slow down a little. I also noticed that you removed Ben Afflack and Sean Connery again without CITING YOUR SOURCE, this is going to get you in trouble, and most likely blocked from your friends in that article. Spend some time and read the tutorials, you read all that other stuff to learn it. It is about "quality" not "quantity"!
  • Why do you edit at Kinko's? The public library is a lot cheaper.

WikiDon 08:16, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

signature & voting

Here you are a frequent contributor, but are projecting the image of a person brand new to Wikipedia (like it is your first day here). Your comment at VfD/List of Catholic Actresses and Actors looks like an anon contribution and will largely be ignored, all because you won't/can't sign your name with ~~~~ as WikiDon has described in detail how to do above. If you forget to sign a comment, you can still go back now and sign (people forget and add their signature later all the time). Also, it is fine to comment, but you are allowed to vote. Just type '''Keep''' or '''Delete''' before your comment. The ''' makes the word Bold. These are the basics to chatting at Wikipedia, you must learn it and do it. NoSeptember 08:34, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

SORRY!! KEEP Rms125a@hotmail.com 08:39, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Now that signature looks like one of a long term wikipedian regular! :-) Note: ALL CAPS is not the same as Bold, and if you wanted to vote, you would have to do it on the right page (the VfD page, not on your user page). NoSeptember 13:46, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!! Rms125a@hotmail.com 21:56, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Communicating with Other Editors

Robert, you seem to be having trouble communication with other contributors/editors.

Some ideas to ease your pain:

1) The first problem you had was using an IP address instead of creating a user account. You have corrected this problem. Some people see the IP address and automatically question credibility. So, you have moved away from that problem. Also, now that you have created a user page, put something in to indicate you are staying and are serious.

2) If you see something in an article that you know is incorrect, something that is concrete, like: "Kansas City is the capital of Kansas" or a misspelled word, change it. If you see Sean Connery on a list of Catholics, and you feel it should not be there, remove it. But, if you return to the page and it is back, move to talk page for that article and enter a new topic. To do so follow these steps:

  • A) Click the "discussion" tab at the top of the page
  • B) Next to the "edit this page" there is a plus (+) sign, click it. A clean sheet will appear. (The plus sign will automatically take you to the bottom of the page; new entries should go at the bottom.)
  • C) In the "Subject/headline:" box put what your title is, example "Sean Connery"
  • D) Type your text.
  • E) Sign your text with the four tildes.
  • F) Click "Show preview" is recommended, especially if you have entered WikiLinki's.
  • G) Click "Save page" (you can skip F if you feel confident).

To reply to a topic, use the menu to go to that topic, or scroll down to find it. the click "edit" on the right side (to the right of the ""Subject/headline:".

If you do this go to the bottom to enter your text. Put in a asterisk or two, or a colon, to distinguish it from the previous contributor. If the topic has become very long, you may want to make sub-topics with graduating equal signs. Do NOT delete any text added by a previous contributor.

If the topic is, for example, Sean Connery & being a Catholic, use either the Catholic's page and/or Sean Connery's page. If the topic is general, and not really about an article, then you can go to the user's talk page, or the “Help Desk” (see below). Sometimes you may write your thoughts in article's talk page and then put a note in a user's talk page asking them to head over there and reply. Putting the link to page helps speed the effort.

3) Cite your source. You removed Sean & Ben several times without ever citing your source, the other side seems to do the same. If you cite some good sources, the other side can't arbitrarily yank it back out. Well of course they can, but if they are responsible they won't or if you go to an admin and/or arbitration, you will have a better case.

4) If you make a change to pages/articles that other users have been working on, put what you changed in the "Edit summary" box. This really helps other users who have the page on their "Watchlist".

5) If you aren't sure: ask

Asking questions

Hope this helps, keep contributing, building a better Wikipedia one edit at a time. WikiDon 05:25, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Barbara Marx

Hi, there, Rms, I've looked through the Barbara Marx article...I moved it to Barbara Marx because we "file" articles under the name a person was most known by, which straightens out the "Blakeley" spelling problem (but I've created a redirect from Barbara Blakeley Marx as well. It seems like you have good information on her marriage to Robert Oliver (who I assume was the father of Robert Marx), and so probably also on her birthdate - not surprising to know she shaved 3 years off alond the way... but since most sources seem to give 1930 as her birth year, it would be good if you could add a source that gives 1927. (It would also be good if we could firm up her divorce date from Zeppo... I think it was actually December 1972 rather than 1973). - Nunh-huh 02:26, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'll do my best!! Rms125a@hotmail.com 02:39, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome

Welcome aboard. It's good to see someone else who is interested in the film-related articles. I love the Pola Negri quote "they went from Pola to Polaroid". I've made a few changes to that article. Just a few things like restoring the date she died, which was inadvertently deleted. Hope you're enjoying yourself here. Rossrs 08:14, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

John Charles McQuaid

I have reverted your edits of this article as they are both pov, biased and inaccurate. Djegan 19:44, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I was about to say the same, but DJ beat me to it. Yes they were heavily POV, and you got elementary facts wrong. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 23:16, 16 August 2005 (UTC) [reply]

John Charles McQuaid was a hatemongering, power hungry, irredentist pedophile (the last according to Noel Browne, anyway)!!--just the man to compose the Constitution of 1937, and guide the enlightened souls of the Irish midlands and the linguistic fascists of the Gaeltacht. Are you both Catholic, or only "Jtdirl"?? Rms125a@hotmail.com 00:11, 17 August 2005 (UTC) [reply]

  • In your edit commentary, you mention me by name for some reason. Why? And why are you insisting on provoking an edit war on the above article when a number of editors now have disputed your rather POV-laden version of events? Which, indeed, you are insisting on including without entering into any dialogue whatsoever or of even providing any references. I'm not a big fan of McQuaid myself but c'mon, let's try to stick to NPOV - Ali-oops✍ 21:31, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

George Pataki

Thanks for adding material. However, in the process you removed many wiki-links from the old material. Please restore them. patsw 20:02, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Tim Pat Coogan

With reference to your edit at [1]: please read Wikipedia:No personal attacks. Sectarian terms such as "fenian" are not an acceptable way to refer to other editors. Demiurge 22:20, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Cusack

Please read Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. You may believe that the GAA is a sectarian and bigoted organization; that is your right. But you cannot expect Wikipedia to present your opinion as fact. Stating as fact that Cusack was inspired by "sectarian atavism" is completely outside the bounds of Wikipedia's NPOV policy. Demiurge 23:10, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

DID YOU READ JOYCE'S QUOTE??

I GUESS IT WOULD BE OUT OF WIKIPEDIA'S NPOV TO POINT OUT THAT THE CROATIAN FASCISTS (USTASE) HAD SECTARIAN ATAVISTIC MOTIVES FOR KILLING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SERBS, JEWS AND GYPSIES.

OR THAT THE CRUSADES WERE INSPIRED BY DARK AND MIDDLE AGE "SECTARIAN" IMPULSES

OR THAT THE LOYALIST ATTACKS ON THE SHORT STRAND IN EAST BELFAST ARE SECTARIAN

OR THAT FATHER DES WILSON IS A SECTARIAN HATEMONGER

OR THAT SINN FEIN IS AN INEXTRICABLE UNIT OF THE IRA

OR THAT THE SHOOTING UP OF THE DARKLY PENTECOSTAL CHURCH IN COUNTY ARMAGH BY THE INLA WAS A SECTARIAN ACT


BUT NEVER FEAR--I WILL AMEND MY UNREDACTED VERSION TO MEET YOUR CONCERNS!!

SLAINTE.

There is no "Cusack" character in Ulysses - the character is only known as "The Citizen". The quote you're using appears to be from an earlier draft of Ulysses. It is true that "Citizen Cusack" inspired the character, but using this quote as a source for claims that Cusack was motivated by "sectarian atavism" and would not have allowed Parnell to be a patron is weak, to say the least.
I don't doubt there's much to write on the topic of Cusack's character and politics. If you can write a measured account of this backed up by credible sources it is far more likely to find a place in the article. --Ryano 09:09, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I found your revert with the comment "there is no POV but yours--face reality as ugly as it can be" interesting. The fact that you didn't incorporate the factual correction that there was no character named Cusack in Ulysses shows that reality is of little interest to you in respect of this article. --Ryano 23:42, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism and ethnic hatred

That's a lovely edit you made to the Bleiburg massacre article at [2] (under the same IP, 70.19.17.166, that you used to revert on Michael Cusack here). I think you've used up all of your Wikipedia:Assume good faith now. Demiurge 02:00, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I see you're making more anonymous edits, this time under User:70.18.217.216 (Talk | Contribs), including this revert to Michael Cusack. Can I ask you why you don't log in? Demiurge 18:44, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Croatians murdered up to $1,000,000 Serbs, Gypsies and Jews during WWII and were protected by the Roman Catholic Church and the Vatican--the Bleiburg massacre page I amended, admittedly injudiciously but under the influence of justifiable fury, is little more than a pro-Croat propaganda piece--POV (in your terminology).

As far as logging in, sometimes I forget because I don't have a computer and use Internet Cafes and Kinkos, etc.

Your edit said that the mass rape of "Croat whores" was "well-deserved", and that "HOWEVER MANY CROAT SCUM WERE MURDERED IT WAS NOT NEARLY ENOUGH!!!!!!". That's a bit more than "injudicious" in my book. Given your shameless anti-Catholic, anti-Croat and anti-Irish POV-pushing, vandalism and hate speech, I will be treating all your edits as bad faith by default from now on. Demiurge 19:53, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

So, what--I've got plenty of usernames. Ciao

comments to users

please stick notes to users on user talk: pages rather than User: pages. Thanks! Sasquatch讲看 19:57, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

your comments

Please refrain from copying and pasting gobs of material onto my user talk page. I can't made heads or tail of it - whether it's something you wrote or something you found on some web page.

You can state your point in several sentences, it doesn't have to be borderline vandalism to get your point across.

--Joy [shallot] 13:54, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

3RR

You have been blocked for 24 hours for a 3 revert rule violation on Cahal Cardinal Daly. Sasquatch讲看 18:11, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

RE: John Wayne

Okay, From Cecil's page: "The cause? No one can say for sure..." This is a theory.

WikiDon 22:43, 6 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cause of Death 1) Smoking or 2) The Conqueror

Okay, for the fun of it, I decided to test a theory. I picked another popular movie at random from about the same time period as The Conqueror, I picked the The Caine Mutiny. Of the 42 actors listed in the credits at IMDb for The Caine Mutiny, it only list the cause of death (or that have died) for 15 of them. Of those 15, 8 died of cancer, 1 of a brain tumor, and 1 of leukemia. That is 53% outright of cancer, and 75% of cancer related diseases.

  • The Caine Mutiny (died of cancer related diseases):
    • Humphrey Bogart
    • José Ferrer
    • Tom Tully
    • E.G. Marshall
    • Warner Anderson
    • Claude Akins
    • Jerry Paris
    • Steve Brodie
    • Don Dubbins
    • Todd Karns
    • Tyler McVey
  • Filming Locations for The Caine Mutiny (1954):
    • Los Angeles, California, USA
    • Naval Station Treasure Island, San Francisco, California, USA
    • Pearl Harbor, O`ahu, Hawaii, USA
    • Yosemite National Park, California, USA

I suppose Yosemite gave those people cancer?

WikiDon 23:45, 6 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Warns

I am not adding nonsense (ask "Demiurge" if you don't believe me), I am preserving the truth against propagandists like "Ryano" and others.

Rms125a@hotmail.com 07:59, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Please explain what "propaganda" I have contributed. I have reverted your edits to the Michael Cusack article for the following reasons:

  1. You have provided no source for the claim that Parnell was not a patron of the GAA.
  2. You have provided no source for the claim that Cusack's "sectarian atavism" would have caused him to block a protestant from becoming a patron.
  3. You have extrapolated details about Cusack and his attitudes from the fact that Joyce used him as inspiration for his "Citizen" character in Ulysses - this is not a sustainable research practice, to put it mildly.

If you have a genuine interest in Michael Cusack and his political and cultural attitudes, please locate some reliable sources and contribute something worthwhile. I have no particular interest in Cusack or his reputation, however I will revert shoddy and tendentious edits when I see them. --Ryano 10:48, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Correct, you are not adding nonsense. What you're doing is worse than adding nonsense -- you are adding factual inaccuracy (there is no character called "Cusack" in Ulysses) to push your anti-Irish POV. Demiurge 10:59, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That is true, because the reality is ugly, and the GAA is a sectarian, nationalist entity. I didn't say that Cusack would have barred Parnell, I just can't believe Parnell would have been a patron of such an ugly enterprise; I prefer to think better of him. And who has the proof that Parnell was in fact a patron of the GAA??
As far as the character of "Cusack" in "Ulysses", that is true, and I corrected myself referring to the "Citizen" (who hides his identity) but as even Demiurge admits he was the basis for the "bigoted nationalist" character (in Demiurge's, or whoever's, OWN words!!)
Rms125a@hotmail.com 11:19, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I remind you that you added back in your claim that the "Citizen" character in Ulysses was called "Cusack" just a few hours ago. [4]. The GAA is undoubtedly nationalist, but to call it sectarian is highly POV. Sources for the fact that Parnell was a patron of the GAA are easily available via Google; it's true even though it challenges your own sectarian preconceptions. Demiurge 11:42, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
What you choose to believe about Parnell is your own business, but numerous sources [5] state that he was one of the first patrons of the GAA. If you have a contradictory source please cite it.
It was I who added the bit about Cusack serving as the inspiration for the Citizen character, as this appears to be the case, and seems like a relevant point to make. However, you cannot extrapolate facts about a real person from a fictional character. Also, the Citizen in Ulysses does not "hide his identity", Joyce just never names him, and the other characters only refer to him as "the Citizen". The narrator of that chapter isn't named either, by the way. Have you read it? --Ryano 11:54, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Block

Rms125a@hotmail.com, I have blocked you for 24 hours for a WP:3RR violation on Michael Cusack. Please see WP:AN/3RR. Remember that 3RR is designed to stop edit warring, and it does not matter who is right or wrong. Thanks! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 22:42, 10 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You are a bigot

Dear Rms125a

RE: your reverts to the the George Galloway page, and also the comments that you have made above.

I have not heard anybody come up with this kind of mental anti-catholic rubbish since I worked at Ibrox Stadium in the early '90s. What are you on?

To be fair though: I give you credit for not jumping on the anti-islam bandwagon like all the other bigots. Thanks for keeping the good old west of Scotland / northern Ireland anti-catholic sectarianism alive.

Seriously- you actually make me feel nostalgic because you are such an anachronism (I am not joking here)

Hope you had a happy marching season!

--Fergie 12:01, 16 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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