Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of big-bust models and performers (6th nomination)

List of big-bust models and performers

Wikipedia is committed to three things: verification neutrality and fairness to living subjects. This article fails these tests, and indeed cannot pass them.

Who is a "big busted" model is subjective. It is culturally variable. Ultimately any list we produce will just be "what the average wikipedian who is interested in this article agrees". So it is opinion not neutral fact.

The current criteria offered is the consensus among many independent web sites - eh? 1) That looks like original research - who says that's the consensus? verification? 2) Why are websites the standard anyway? Who says? The judgements here fail WP:V WP:NPOV and WP:OR

The items on the list are unreferenced. Where is the evidence that any of these performers are know for their breasts?

There is a BLP issue. We are implying that breast-size is a property that is significant to these people's careers. Evidence? Neutrality?

Basically this is a demeaning and sexist article of the worst kind of subjective internet trivia, unfit for an encyclopedia. True, that "I don't like it" isn't a reason to delete, but nor it "I like it" and I reason to keep. So we fall back on objective criteria WP:V WP:RS WP:NPOV and WP:BLP and by those policy standards this does not belong.

The last debates failed to achieve a deletion consensus, but maybe we've grown since then.

Scott MacDonald (talk) 14:53, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This nomination is quite condescending, especially that last quip. SashaNein (talk) 14:59, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Let's bury this BLP-violating hellhole on the sixth[?!?!?!] attempt. Violates WP:BLP, WP:NPOV and is all and all a very bad idea for an article. weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 15:03, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Nom puts it well: OR trivia. I give this list a double F. (Kidding -- I was actually tempted to vote weak keep...) IronDuke 15:08, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Although "demeaning and sexist" is no reason to delete an article, this is, in my eyes, comparable to an article titled List of important countries or List of important people. The criteria is apparently determined by 'many important sites and magazines', or words to that effect, which is open to too much interpretation. I agree 100% with the assertion that any list we produce will just be "what the average wikipedian who is interested in this article agrees". Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 15:16, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The inclusion criteria for this list is subjective and original research. Epbr123 (talk) 15:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
double-D-Delete. If the inclusion criteria were determinable, it should be a category. However, the history of the AfD's shows that the criteria haven't been determined yet, and the matter was brought up at the first AfD. That seems adequate time for the criteria to be established, to refute the statement that no such criteria can be determined. (Note also that the primary nomination reason fails, as noted by the Cavalry.) — Arthur Rubin (talk) 15:26, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep per the long string of previous, failed deletion attempts. I frankly find the nominator's tone quite uncivil and in violation of the assume good faith policy, given that he preemptively claims that this is a "demeaning and sexist" article, and that anyone who would choose to keep it hasn't "grown". Truth is, the dissemination of images of big busted women is fairly obviously referenceable by publications that the nominator might be embarrassed by. There aren't any problems here that aren't repairable by normal editing. And lists of people who qualify for their own articles do not need separate references in the list if their qualification for inclusion is verified on their own articles, either. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:49, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]