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When I am relatively happy with a section, it will be "locked" with the slight green background. All other sections are a work in progress and may not represent all or even most of what I intended to say in those matters.

Over the years, I've learned several interesting things about Wikipedia. Let me share them with you:

Why edit warriors can win

On the most dangerous of mindsets

On radicalization of users

On the evils of anonymity

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Anonymity protects your true identity. There are many good reasons for it. But it also allows others (including most "true believers" or pure and simple trolls) to hide under a noname account, while launching uncivil attacks against others - including non-anonymous users. Non-anonymous users thus are more likely to leave this project, as they don't want their real life reputations ruined. Yet non-anonymous users are inherently better for Wikipedia than anonymous: first, they have a moral courage to associate their real life persona with their views; second, they are less likely to risk being incivil/dishonest (since their real life reputation is at risk), and third, they bring identifiable qualities (proof of expertise in various subjects) to discussions.

Anonymity has its advantages (for example, for users editing from oppressive regimes, where their participation in this project may be illegal), but it confers no benefit to the project other than that. Most anonymous editors simply lack the moral courage required to link their real persona to their POVs (again, I can think of good reasons for it - ex. if one edits articles on porn or other taboo subjects - even with the best intentions - it nonetheless may not always something one may want to have associated with him). So certainly, I have no problem with anonymity. But in most cases, it's not helpful - while non-anonymity is.

Anonymity makes it easier to engage in dubious editorial behavior - from edit warring to personal attacks. Sure, people do get attached to their anonymous personas, and some have considerable respect on Wikipedia, but in the end, an anonymous editor with bad reputation can always "restart", even after a block. Non-anonymous cannot.

Yet being non-anonymous is not promoted in Wikipedia community. This is simply illogical. I am not arguing for banning of anonymous accounts; they should be allowed. However, being non-anonymous should be promoted, and non-anonymous users should be rewarded for their special dedication to this project.

Wikipedia officially wants to attract academics, and become more reputable thanks to their participation. Three examples from academics I know illustrate their dissatisfaction with how they are treated on the site. Two of them revealed their true names; two of them left and one is considering leaving the project. Why?

  • Editor A as his first edits added some external links (some were quite relevant, some were indeed too detailed). He got accused by an anonymous admin of spamming; he got offended and left, saying that he has better things to do with his time than to contribute to a project and get such strong words in return (I know he was planning a major rewriting of several key science articles - he never did so).
  • Editor B, considered by many editors a good content creator and civil discutant, got accused of "academic dishonesty" on talk of an article by an anonymous user, known for rash and uncivil remarks, and left soon afterwards saying that he cannot participate in a site and risk such slander becoming associated with his real name.
  • Editor C, contributor of hundreds of high-quality articles, got accused of "copyvio" in the middle of drafting an new article (original source was already referenced and paragraph in question was from the start partially rewritten). He was highly offended by the accusation of plagiarism, and stated that it does not make him want to contribute more, if he can face such slanderous accusations.

Solution: there should be an officially recognized level of usership for non-anonymous users. There should be a way to certify you are who you are (for example, by making a $5 donation to the project with a credit card with your name on it, or by demonstrating (via a website, blog, etc.) that you are who you claim to be; Template:User committed identity may also offer some solutions). The non-anonymous editors should be very strictly protected from slander and flaming (akin to WP:BLP), and there should be a protection level for articles that would allow only non-anonymous editors to edit them (thus shutting of anonymous "true believers" from it).

Why good users leave the project, or why civility is the key policy

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I've seen too many good editors - including real like academics, for example - driven away from Wikipedia by anonymous "true believers" and worsening atmosphere due to radicalization. In most cases, the same process occurs: good editors get involved in pointless, stressful discussion with "true believers" and will become target of their incivil personal attacks (baseless accusations of "academic dishonesty", "nationalism", "antisemitism", you name it). They may also get involved in some edit warring (since "true believers" like to edit war). That leads to stress ("why am I contributing to this project, if all I get as a thank you is flame and trolling?"). Good editors will then leave, not willing to spend time creating quality content in exchange for flames and in worst cases, slander against their real life persona.

Solution: enforce WP:CIVIL, promote non-anonymity and ban "true believers".

On spirit and the letter of Wikipedia

We are here to build an encyclopedia. This is a principle many increasingly forget.

We are not here to create another giant discussion forum. Discussion is fine up to the point it disrupts building an encyclopedia.

Editors who build an encyclopedia should be encouraged. Editors who chase away encyclopedia builders should be discouraged.

Editors are not equal. Of course even the greatest content contributors should not be given a carte blanche with regard to personal attacks or such: they may drive away more people who would have created more content than they themselves do. However, experienced users and prolific contributors should be given reasonable doubt when they say they know more than new and less active users.

Editors who are more likely to create content than to damage the encyclopedia (with edit warring/incivil remarks/etc.) should not be blocked.

Solution: WP:IAR, WP:NOTBUREAUCRACY

On adminship

Mud sticks, or on activity of editors

On cabals, canvassing and cooperation

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Evil cabals are rare. However, the project is built around collaborative software and cooperation with other editors. 99,9% times the editors cooperate, they do this to improve this project. Sometimes they will get accused of doing it to damage the project. This often occurs due to radicalization, as editors on some subjects divide themselves into camps and increasingly assume bad faith about the other side. This may lead to a self-fulfilling prophecy and formation of defensive cabal(s), since when a group of editors is often enough accused of a conspiracy, they may form one simply to more efficiently defend themselves.

Model of mass radicalization and conflict generation

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1. In every content area, a small percentage of editors display the signs of being "true believers" (uncompromising POV pushers). True believers misunderstand or ignore WP:NPOV; they act as through their POV was NPOV, refuse to recognize they have a POV (they often claim they represent NPOV), refuse to compromise on content with editors of other POV, and treat all who disagree with them as enemies. They frequently edit war and refuse to back down on talk.

2. Wikipedia model in general and content related dispute resolutions procedures in particular do work; thus "true believers" in most cases find themselves in the "loosing position" - the neutral/mainstream community ensures their POV is given only due weight.

3. This may however take much longer in highly specialized content areas, where fewer neutral editors will notice disputes. There, the relatively few editors know each other much better, and radicalization (process where a normal editor turns closer and closer to a "true believer" - at the very least, they assume good faith for "their side" and bad faith "for the others") is more common, leading to rise of tag teams or at the very least formation of content-based sides/camps/alliances/etc. Thus battlegrounds are more likely to arise in such content areas (but the model is probably true for all content areas).

4. Because "true believers" are likely to lose content disputes, they turn to harassment, personal attacks, and similar. Whether they do it on purpose of due to frustration of losing one content battle after another, the end result is a high count bad faith accusations and battlegrounds in articles they frequent and where they clash with others. This is were ArbCom can help, by identifying and restricting/banning most disruptive "true believers". Radicalized users can also be identified, and helped with some advice/mentoring.

5. Editors who find battlegrounds uncivil leave the project. Only the harassers and the victims with "thickest skin" remain.

Technical note: If both parties ("true believers" and "victims") claim they are right, how to easily identify who is who? There are two ways: 1) Look at who's supported by neutral editors (moderators, etc.). Two caveats: users involved in content may be biased due to radicalization, users "just passing by" may be confused by "sticking mud". 2) Look at the content creation: users who can write peer-reviewed and recognized content (FA/Reviewed A/GA) probably know more about NPOV than those who don't.

Solution: Mentor/restrict/ban true believers, mentor radicalizing users, ensure that civil editors are not chased away.