User talk:Hesperian/Archive 36

surrounded

cretins on all sides, duck for cover - globally, and all locations below - good time to invest in a filing cabinet at the bottom of an obscure mining shaft not far from bidyaganga - just remember the long life vegemite and the pack of playing cards for patience Satu Suro 05:37, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm already there. Check my contribs. Ignoring XfD. Ignoring bots. Ignoring cretins. Writing crappy stubs that noone will ever read, on infrageneric taxa noone has ever heard of. Hesperian 05:49, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent.I can relate to that completely - I have come cross a marvellous pdf of endangered ecological communities in wa - a long and devastatingly obscure (?) list of places that have descriptions which include terminology of: troglofauna, stygofauna, chenopod, pisolite, copepod, hypactacoid, cryptogam, saprolite, forbland, and inselberg (i think i got the last one) - I suspect they are either (1) fellow bidyaganga residents (2) the names for the people at friday pub drink time and never realised that is what they were called (3) tyops (4) all of the above Satu Suro 06:04, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes; you've seen Cygnis's Assemblages of plants and invertebrate animals of tumulus (organic mound) springs of the Swan Coastal Plain no doubt. But I think the troglodyte community would be the most fun to write up. Hesperian 06:09, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One that jumped up at me and which sparked the imagination is the vast number of unique assemblages of invertebrates have been identified in the groundwater calcretes (gawd we are living on one vast mound of the bloody stuff) and the other of interest was the hypersaline ecological communities which smells of an interesting article Satu Suro 06:28, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

overwhelmsed

first impression - very well set out and presented well - of what i have looked at so far - bet they dont have the same themselves :( - will need to look again - but what have checked so far very impressed by the appearance - just a bit nervous about the red links :| Satu Suro 14:44, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The more I look at what has been done the more I am impressed - that surely deserves a star or barn or flower or something Satu Suro 14:45, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

it's like ...

My source says that George transferred this "with some reservations". cygnis insignis 06:30, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Very droll :-) (Sorry I didn't respond before; I had to go.) Hesperian 11:09, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please move A. P. de Candolle -> ~~Augustin Pyrame de Candolle~~. Ta. cygnis insignis 18:03, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Brya moved it to A. P. ages ago, with edit summary "move to neutral territory", presumably per "Pyrame" and "Pyramus". I don't mind reverting Brya, but which should it be? Hesperian 01:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently even he could not spell his name. IPNI gives Pyramus for Father and son, so does La Société de Physique et d'Histoire Naturelle de Genève. The son was moved to the other spelling (Pyrame) per Brittanica (EB11?) earlier in the year. The father may have been referred to as "A. P.", but it does nothing to disambiguate him from Junior. I don't where it was discussed, but it wasn't the talk pages of either article. cygnis insignis 04:46, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Hesperian 05:00, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(Brya wasn't really a discusser; s/he was more in the "be bold" mold. Hesperian 05:01, 5 October 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Can't fault that, I was a bit bold too. cygnis insignis 05:19, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Curry Tree

I just noticed your taxo edit on this article. Have you seen my recent comment on the talk page. I think the official Genus name is Bergera, but I am not a taxo expert, I just noticed some inconsistencies between naming here and on Commons, and GRIN seems to indicate that it is Bergera, but I do not know if that can be considered authoritative. -- Slaunger (talk) 09:11, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Input requested

Hi. Over a year ago, you'd blocked G2bambino (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). He is now the subject of a community discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Specific_sanctions_proposals. I'd like to request for your input at that discussion. Thank you, Ncmvocalist (talk) 04:51, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of newspapers published in Western Australia

You must be a mind reader. I was thinking about this last night and was going to make a start tonight. Great idea, even if it is mine ;) Moondyne 03:25, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great minds think alike I guess (it's not as bizarre as this).

Just had a look at your contributions, and we seem to be working in the same space for a happy change. Gosh we might even end up accidentally collaborating!

Hesperian 03:33, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Its a worry. Moondyne 04:07, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Narrow focused gits :) - you have about a 1/3 up so far :) - if you saw the battye list you would see how many you have left out - and if you are including historical - you are about a 1/5 up - reckon you should really qualify what it is in the lead para - otherwise youre outta context - clearly looking too much at the early stuff has got you bother delirious in a way of speaking - cheers Satu Suro 11:54, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The more I look at it - to save your sanity you should have a cut off/delineation of newspapers founded in wa before 1900 - and I would accept that I could meetup with you guys sometime and see you sane - you try the 1900 + and I think you are really off your trees :) Satu Suro 11:57, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

trying to be more positive - I think the idea of more than one list and qualifications in the lead sentences or paras are essential Satu Suro 12:16, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All in good time, kind sir, all in good time. Think of it as a lure for good advice. Hesperian 14:38, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sir? should see the beard :) - Early newspapers which you have eminently plastered the walls with in wikisource with some skill and expertise - are early newspapers - goldfields newspapers are breed among themselves - regional newspapers (vis a vis pilbara et al) are a breed among selves, and the short lived of the twentieth century are another thing again - there are articles as much as lists for all of them :) - not forgetting the specialist and obscure again - possible 5 articles and 5 lists i would say - but hey glad you guys is doing it as the battye list used to give me the ----- due to its size and variations and issues - it makes you realise the west is a mere pin prick on the bum of the trees dropped to keep the provincial minds of yesteryear amused and informed :( Satu Suro 22:46, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Email

Ping! Euryalus (talk) 06:13, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Early Days

I don't suppose any of you gentlemen have a copy of Early Days 12(4) on your bookshelves? Hesperian 00:46, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have access to it and can probably get it scanned, if noone else has a copy. Orderinchaos 04:08, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but the list of sources I need to track down has grown to 8, so I guess I should bite the bullet and pop into Battye myself. Hesperian 04:10, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking UWA. :) Orderinchaos 04:13, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Same here (ie battye (probably there friday lunchtime - email me your refs if you want) and/or the other refs too?) - ((goon show voice quietly asks self - asking a question on his own talk page? thinks - he knows we are all watching?, hmmm )) take your pick Satu Suro 04:13, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bugger, I went in there today and got most of what I wanted[1][2], but somehow I forgot the one I wanted most:

McGlade, Hannah (1998) "The repatriation of Yagan: a story of manufacturing dissent" Law/Text/Culture 4(1):245-255.

You can access it online from within the library but not from outside.[3] If you wouldn't mind, it should only take you a few minutes to whack it on a thumb drive so you can email it to me later. Hesperian 13:57, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A belated no from me also. Moondyne 14:01, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Probably Friday lunchtime - email me if you want further Satu Suro 14:28, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"63rd tree"

The other one I didn't get that I had intended to is

Burke, Shane (2004). "Innovation and adaptability: The European archaeology of the Swan Valley". Early days. 12 (4): 343–358.

I am intrigued by the "63rd tree", whatever that is. The SRO has an 1833 survey map entitled "Survey of Swan River above Ellen's Brook to fix position of 63rd tree by George Smythe". This is said to contain Yagan's gravesite. If you google "63rd tree", you'll find only mention of a talk that Burke gave at UWA back in 2000 entitled "The 63rd tree: the archaeology of the European settlement of the Swan district, 1827-1860", and a citation in Burke's Fences, Furrows, Ditches and Settlement Policy; in the latter case, the map is used to support the rather banal assertion that "In 1839, the four farms were connected by tracks that went south via the small town of Guildford, and north to the newly established Cruser's Mill." so that doesn't help at all. The only other clue that my addled brain has dredged up is the fact that the regiment stationed here was the 63rd Regiment of Foot, so possibly (probably?) the "63rd" bit refers to the regiment rather than an actual tree ordinal. I am hoping that this article may solve the mystery for me. Hesperian 13:57, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dennison, Walter. A short history of 63rd of Foot in Western Australia 1829-1833 / [Walter Dennison ; photography by Paul Godden].

Published [Perth, W.A.? : W. Dennison, 1978?]

Irwin, Frederick Chidley, 1788-1860. Title Correspondence, 1808-1844 [manuscript] Historical Data First colonial commandant in W.A., arriving in 1829 in command of a detachment of the 63rd Regiment assigned to protect the newly established Swan River settlement. In 1835, published the first account of the colony "The state and position of Western Australia". In 1836, sent back to W.A. with the rank of major to command the local garrison. From Feb. 1847 - Aug. 1848, he was Governor of the Colony.

Contents ACC 910A. Summary Copies of letters sent and received by F.C. Irwin, including one from Sir James Stirling and one from Andrew Clarke, Government House, St.Lucia.

I dunno if either might have a clue or two Satu Suro 14:11, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Google bah - clusty has http://www.tameside.gov.uk/museumsgalleries/mom/history/63rd and the very brief mention of them at Mrs Dance's tree of course in barrack street :) Satu Suro 14:18, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I sincerely doubt that George Smythe would go looking for Mrs Dance's tree "at Swan River above Ellen Brook". Hesperian 23:22, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah i realise that (heheh) - point is will be in battye at lunch - want anything? Satu Suro 01:04, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please

check the minorities map in Greece article. Despite not being supported by any numbers an admin is abusing his powers to object any removal. If you like check the talk page to have a more complete opinion. Can you tell me how can we progress from here? A second admin's opinion is needed or there shall be another procedure? Thanks for your time --Ioannes Tzimiskes (talk) 07:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can't see any evidence that the administrator in question has abused his administrative powers. This seems like notihng more than a content dispute.

The issue is far too complex for me to come to an informed opinion on the accuracy of the map. Based on the following quote from the discussion, I am inclined to impute Fut.Perf. with the purer motives:

The whole talk about numbers is a red herring. As I said before, the map is based on qualitative, not quantitative data. It doesn't "count" people, it makes no claims about numbers, either implicitly or exiplicitly, it isn't based on numbers, it has nothing to do with numbers. It makes the qualitative statement that in a given area, a given language has been an active community language within living memory and there is at least one generation of speakers still living. This is academically sound, it is how the relevant academic literature treats the issue, this is what our reliable sources say. The map follows the data found in the literature as precisely as humanly possible. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:47, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Come on, the only red herring here is the map's purpose. It's not here to educate or present facts about so called minority languages. Its clear purpose is to highlight the alleged non-Greek communities and their presence in the Greek territory. It's only here for the purposes of our friends in the north to say: hey most of the Greek Macedonia is populated by our people anyway, so what's the fuss when we claim the language, history and territory... please spare me with the rhetoric about "qualitative" vs. "quantitative" and "the map is precise as humanly possible", all the Greek editors here (me included) just don't buy it anymore. Walnutjk (talk) 10:45, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

To my mind, that thread reads as Fut.Perf. insisting upon academic accuracy in the face of nationalistic bias. But like I said, I am unable to come to an informed position on this topic.

Your options are laid out in Wikipedia:Dispute resolution.

Hesperian 11:36, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RfC/U

There is currently an open Request for Comment on User Conduct here, regarding G2bambino. As someone with past interactions with him, you are invited to comment. — [ roux ] [x] 15:18, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

messy

all the bits and pieces above have sent gmail Satu Suro 01:17, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Got em - will get em to ya Satu Suro 10:40, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good to think that in the end we all have crappy stubs in our collections :) Satu Suro 14:02, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, it is not a crappy stub...

...it is actually a nice stub, your Down on His Luck. I gave it a bit more text and references. I never knew of the painting or its creator, and I was happy to learn of it (I found the entry while doing New Page Patrol). Thanks for bringing it here! Ecoleetage (talk) 13:25, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Higher plant taxonomy categories

Hey Hesperian. A relatively new user, Pomeapplepome (talk · contribs), has been monkeying around with the higher plant taxonomy categorization structure. See diff and the user's more recent contributions in Category:Eudicots, etc. Some of these categories have been untouched for a while. Would you mind taking a look to make sure the categories are right? You're much better at the higher plant taxonomy than I am. Cheers, Rkitko ^(talk) 14:48, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]