Talk:Wind: A Breath of Heart
Regarding the title of the article...
>Rvalles (Wind -a breath of heart- moved to Wind 〜a breath of heart〜: Real name is like this.)
You are wrong.
For the love of god, it doesn't take a genius to read the title of the damned game. Also, your adding tons of pictures affects the readability of the article. Please stop being an idiot.
- Reverted your changes. First of all,
mind your manners. We're a community and if you can't do this muchplease refrain from editing here,sinceyou'll be not welcome. Having said that, I don't think there are too many images or they disturb at all reading, specially considering how they're thumbnailed and completelly aligned on the right of the page (maybe you're using some broken theme or webbrowser?). The title... It can be discussed, I'm not sure a subtitle should be treated like that, but anyways the japanese seem to be using that character, not -. For the sake of keeping history, let's better discuss what the title should be here, and later have some experienced user (which do have privileges to move pages, like me) move the page.Rvalles 02:59, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
Both of you, please review Wikipedia:Avoid personal remarks. I have "crossed out" a few phrases which don't seem directly related to the task of improving this article. Uncle Ed 03:08, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
For the love of god...
Is it so hard to go to the official website, which is LINKED TO ON THE ARTICLE, and look at the title of the game?
http://www.minori.ph/lineup/wind.html
"Wind -a breath of heart-".
Let's take a look at some of the other sites linked to on the article.
http://www.alchemist-net.co.jp/products/wind_dc/
"Wind -a breath of heart-".
"Wind -a breath of heart-".
There isn't anything to discuss. You are wrong. That is a fact.
What the hell?
Why does the first line of the article say "{{{{{2|{{{2}}}}}}|1 {{{media=void|2={{{3}}}}}} | Infobox CVG/media | {{{media}}}}}" --SoothingR 07:20, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
Looks like...
...a problem with the infobox.
I guess it'd be a good idea to remove it for now, at least till someone can fix it.
Fixing mess
I have merged the page histories from the unicode version. Now feel free to change stuff around. Redwolf24 (talk) 00:18, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Images
Rvalles, your adding unnecessary images is affecting the readability of the article. And yes, big chunks of blank space DO affect the readability of the article. Please stop.
Besides, this article is about the game, not the translation patch. If you really want to add screenshots, it'd be better to add ones from the original game.
Explaining the reasons behind my recent edits (mostly to Omgwtflolz)
I've looked into the text/image layout problem you seem to be suffering; this is not how a image should be displayed with "right|thumb". The images are suppossed not to disturb layout, so that text continues in an independent manner. This is the expected behaviour and it can be observed in all browsers I've tried. They are:
- On Linux/x86
- Firefox 1.0.7
- Opera
- Konqueror
- On Solaris 8/UltraSPARC
- Netscape 6.x
- Firefox 1.0.7
I should note I've not logged in with any of them, so the default stylesheet was displayed. It seems them it's a very specific problem affecting just your webbrowser. Many browsers are known to have problems with some wikipedia features, Internet Explorer being one of the kings (see Wikipedia:Browser notes), and being, in general, problematic with format, having very incomplete/outdated/bad support for Web standards. I personally recommend to switch to Firefox; there are many other options of capable browsers, but the reason I do recommend this one is that on wikipedia, the use of open standards are important. There's why we avoid GIF and use PNG instead, or why we use Ogg-Vorbis as per-policy and not MP3. On the matter of the html code itself, Web standards are religiously respected, and Firefox is, at this moment, the most popular webbrowser which is both free software and available for many platforms (important from a universal access to wikipedia point of view) On Wikipedia, we don't try and work around browser bugs on articles themselves. The right|thumb method constitutes a very useful way of placing images, allowing for the placing of a lot of them without disturbing the article text at all. It is then popular and you'll see a whole lot of articles using this method (like Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu or Full Metal Panic!: The Second Raid, being both good examples of articles using that feature extensivelly. Check Wikipedia:Picture_tutorial for futher info on image formatting.
Having addressed this browser-specific issue, I should say that I disagree with the other arguments you've used so far to defend removing them. Let's be specific: This is the english wikipedia. We speak/read/write/whatever english here. Additionally having some screenshot from the original version of the game may indeed add some value, but let's stick to the english versions whether available, by default. Now, you might think there were too many images on the first place. Well, let me explain. Unlike a dictionary, a anime or game database, or whatever other sort of place, an article here it's supposed to be an enciclopedic article. It is supposed to be extensive, verbose, enciclopedic, to cover as much as possible. One of the points needed to archieve that on an article about this kind of game is, without a doubt, documenting the characters (or possible girlfriends...) on an extensive way. From the graphical front, that does mean having screenshots showing each of them; it would not be complete otherwise, and in my own, personal bias I'm positive as someone who likes this kind of games that having those is something that is very apreciated.
On the matter of AniDB links, it seems you've removed them twice; your reason as told in your edit summary seems to be "Those sites are very obviously not in Japanese.". Well, this is the english enciclopedia. There's why links written in english are valuable; more than that, we try to link to sites which are in english, on purpose. When for some reason that is not possible and we feel we should include a link to a page written in a different language (let's say, the official site for wind, which is in japanese...), the common policy is to warn (in japanese) on the link comment, so that the reader knows before opening it. Having said so I think those links should be there. We're still a long way from reaching that point, but AniDB is a very valuable database for many of us, and we're trying so that all entries about an anime have a link to their AniDB node. To make it even easier, a macro was created, and we use it instead of placing the whole URL there, very convenient considering AniDB does indeed have many domain names, is hosted in a non-ludicrous way, have had some of them non-working on the past, and is likely to drop many of them on the future.
On the matter of naming, I was very wrong when I renamed the page to the name with double-width ~s instead of -. I don't recall where I got that idea from (bad memory), but I must have followed bad leads, probably from some shop instead of just looking at the official page itself (my bad!). The reason I so quickly reverted your article move in the first place doesn't have anything to do with believing either name to be the most apropiate, tho. On wikipedia, atribution is important. We keep track of who did change what, as a way to give proper credit to our editors. When a page is moved by the cut and paste method, this list of changes isn't moved, leading to the loss of them. To avoid that, we have other methods to move pages without this trouble, but to avoid problems such as vandalism, only registered users and only those which a considerable number of edits and/or age (I'm one of them but I personally don't know why... been here since 2001, 2002 or so with this user, both a lot of time and edits). To make things easier for those without the privileges, On Wikipedia:Requested_moves a list of moving requests is kept, and if they're well argued, experienced users or moderators do that job. There are situations where this can't be done, though. This is the case of images, music and other uploaded goods which should be reuploaded. This is the case of the images you've added to the article, unfortunably. Since everything shares the same namespace, and to make names more unique, it's a policy to make names very descriptive. Like "Wind -A Breath of Heart- demo Insani NNL Minamo childhood promise.png" as oppossed to "Windtitlescreen.jpg". This means It'll take a bit of work for me to move them to the -'d name from the ~'d name. I won't move the ones you uploaded in order to let you be the uploader on the history of the image itself. There are other matters to be taken care of regarding your images, though. I recommend Wikipedia:Uploading_images, which is a very good guide on doing so. The problems I've noticed so far are naming, the choice of format; you chose JPEG for an image that should be PNG (policy: JPEG should be used for photos, PNG for everything else), computer graphics/screenshots tend to compress very well with PNG; and the lack of technical details on the image description (it's encouraged to explain how the screenshot was done, like "I used windows 98 and photoshop 9.1 to capture this screen from the point of the game where blah blah and being it in windowed mode. Then I edited the borders out...").
To make conversations easier to follow, it's desireable to sign them. It can be done easily by putting four consecutive ~ characters at the end of the post. It'll get expanded in a format like my signature.
After explaining all of this, I must say thank you for your contributions so far and future, and welcome to Wikipedia. You seem very knownedgeable on japanese culture and I'll be looking forward to your future contributions.
Feel free to futher discuss any issues as a reply to this post. (edit the thread, and put : on the beggining of your reply). Rvalles 00:26, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Er.
1- The English patch is not official. There is no real English version avaiable.
