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Welcome to my talk page. Here you can leave any messages you want for me. I don't reply on this page however, and will post a reply on your own talk page (unless you don't have one or I wish to leave a message for other readers as well). To make it easier for me, please have a talk link in your signature.

Also now I'm in regular service with the Israel Defense Forces, which means I may not be able to reply quickly.

Also, while I accept or even welcome criticism (as you can see, there's some on the page and/or its archives), I will delete any personal attacks. Please don't bother.

Arad

Yeah, now that I look at it, they are readable if you enlarge the full resolution after opening it on commons. I'm still not sure if it's necessary. Say, do we really need so many pictures? All those galleries of pictures of schools and synagogues and tennis courts, etc. Wouldn't a WikiCommons button suffice? -- Nudve (talk) 14:05, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK

Flayer (talk) 14:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are still two articles: Israeli Manpower Directorate & Manpower Directorate. Flayer (talk) 20:12, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thank you! Now we only need Noclador to update the graphics in some places. Flayer (talk) 21:20, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP policy

Hi there, just wanted to drop you a note in response to your last comment at Unrecog villages. Overall, I appreciate your point and the sentiment attached. I have definitely noticed that you do not yourself make too many additions you worry will be controversial, but rather bring them to discussion. This can definitely cut down the potential tension. However it's also true that bold editing in the sense of adding a good deal of new information and perspective to balance existing info makes articles richer. I think where BBold can be destructive is when people unilaterally delete large swathes of info without:

first attempting discussion
or attempting to edit for brevity while keeping in all essential facts and interpretations
or adding in any necessary opposing facts and perspective. As long as one of the three efforts is made, with civility and not out of a desire to eliminate a disliked position, I think everything goes. LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 21:18, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm glad that you try to do the right thing, at any rate, even if the prevailing atmosphere often does not encourage it. I'm certain we will disagree throughout this process, as we go through point for point, but will eventually be able to compromise given our mutual willingness (as with JNF). Best, LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 21:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New article

Hey, I wrote an article on Hebrew spelling, I would appreciate you checking it over, it will probably be the last of my creation of new Hebrew language articles. Epson291 (talk) 18:01, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for looking at it, it hadn't even occured to me about the title, I like your suggestion of something like Hebrew writing systems. As for merging them, I agree, I wrote this article (but didn't submit it until now), when it looked like this. As for your printer, its happened to me, but before you give up, check for the unlikely chance someone else has created a homeade driver for it. Epson291 (talk) 13:23, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oshrat

Cheers for fixing that. It was originally Oshrat, but when I went to translate from the Hebrew article, it's down there as Asheret. Bizarre. Anyway, I'm down to the last 130-or so village articles now, plus I believe only one local council left (Beit Aryeh). I guess I might start on regions (e.g. Jerusalem Corridor, Hevel Eshkol) when I finally finish... пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 21:14, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just noticed that Katzir-Harish had somehow been left off the Haifa District article and template, so two more LCs to go. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 13:39, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maps

Looks good. I assume pink = cities, mauve = local councils and purple = regional councils? пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 10:54, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the colour scheme is fine - it's much easier to see than the other map. Any idea why that section of land to the south-east of the Dead Sea is unclaimed? пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 14:43, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. It should probably be removed from the Tamar Regional Council article and template then. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 15:05, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: copyright: Yeah, I wonder why the rcuv website is down - I know someone who works there and will check with him and ask about the copyright issue. Here's a web link that is reachable, though when you click on the map, nothing happens: http://www.rcuv.net/en/sub1.asp?sub_id=20 LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 16:08, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Cheers for the barnstar. Only a few left now - six from Mateh Binyamin, a few outposts in Har Hebron and about 40 or so in Mateh Yehuda. The only ones I'm not sure about are the unrecognised villages in Abu Basma and Hemdat Midbar in Central Arava, which I can't find any info on anywhere. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 21:39, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As long as there are disambiguation pages and hatnotes, I think we should be fine. I doubt that many people will type a settlement name in with ", West Bank". Anyway, I've just checked on this tool and it would appear that I've created around 520 articles so far, not including cases where I converted a redirect into an article. Didn't realise it had been that many... I think I may need a short break once I've finished. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 22:02, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kawkab al-Hawa

Oooopsh, sorry about that! Regards, Huldra (talk) 07:28, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Latroun (1967)

Hi, you never heard about that ?
One full armored brigade was dedicated to take Latroun in 1967.
Ceedjee (talk) 20:23, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That is not what is written here (and I am not the guy who wrote that]. And it is also talked about here. So there are two wikipedia articles that refer to the event.

You have a wp:rs sources that gave you the composition of the forces that took Latrun : 1 inf. bat and 2 armored companies. What is this ? It should be compared with Pollack who seems to be used in the "6 day war" article. For what I know, Kyriati (armoured) brigade attacked the Latrun salient by the east. But this is not a 100% wp:rs source. The guy often mixed brigade names.

Whatever it is also interesting to point out that all these 3 sources "just" exist and that scholars / military historians consider the events important enough to give the exact composition of forces dedicated to take Latroun.

There is a subtle difference between battle and siege. It is not because there was no fight (and for what I know, there was) that it was not a battle. A conquest due to a retreat is also a type of Battle. Tom Segev, in his last book talk about the conquest of Latrun but underline the symbolic value of Latrun in the war (the 1967 one). Even without all the remaining, only for that reason, it would deserve an article.

...

Ceedjee (talk) 00:48, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

Thank you for your detailled answer.

Kiryati is the 4th brigade. Alexandroni (3th brigade) was bisbanded along with some others in '49 - '50.

In googling, I found this : [1] that would confirms it was not disbanded.

It is not easy to follow a brigade involvment after '48 because battles mainly involved division size operations.

You are right that an article about the 1967 assault on Latroun would not be big and it is legitimate to wonder if it deserves to exist. We should agree there are far more important topics.

My source is fr:Pierre Razoux, Tsahal, 2006. Razoux is a military historian and a wp:rs source of high standing. But as all sources, there are sometimes inaccuracies or mistakes.

I don't have much references about '67 war. With what we have now, I think we could "guess" that the full 4th kiryati brigade was allocated the Latrun salient (which is wide) and that OC should have sent "2 inf bat and 1 arm. company" to attack the police fort. After that, they should have joined Harel forces and attacked Ramallah.

But all this should be cross-checked.

It think you never read Benny Morris, 1948 but just heard about the devil Morris. Pappe never wrote books about military history, only 2 about the 1948 period, one about the New historian narrative fosued on diplomacy, one about the Palestinian narratives of the 1948 events. He doens't talk much about massacres.

Ceedjee (talk) 06:59, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NB: I think this is not right [2]. Harel (10) attacked Radar Hill, which is in the Jerusalem corridor. Paratroop brigade was at Jerusalem. So a brigade (Kiryati 4th) had to protect Tel-Aviv and blockading Latrun. Ceedjee (talk) 07:27, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Latrun maps

Hi Ynhockey,
I asked an Israli historian to check for mistakes. As soon as he will have given me his comments, I will translate them in :en but I can also send you the .svg version. (I uploaded .pgn versions because I had problems with .svg on commons). Ceedjee (talk) 09:12, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User Deanb

Sorry for not getting back quicker. I'll keep an eye out for his edits, and warn him if necessary. I don't think I've actually ever been involved with him, so I don't see a problem with blocking him if necessary. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 19:25, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, as an aside, I was thinking about moving Nokia Arena back to Yad Eliyahu. Certainly in the football arena we have agreement on not using sponsored names for stadia. Do people still call it Yad Eliyahu? I haven't seen a Maccabi game since leaving in 2006, and until then I never remember hearing the sponsored name used... If it's still commonly known as Yad Eliyahu, then it can be moved without a fuss. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 19:28, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Latrun

Thx you for the corrections. FYI user:Deborahjay agreed checking and correcting just after my "basic" translation (she is a professionnal en <-> he translator).
About the maps, the one I had sent you had 2 mistakes concerning British positions. I have corrected them. When the translation of the article is finished, I will translate the maps with the list of names you sent me.
See you, Ceedjee (talk) 19:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edit dispute is a big word for that :-)

I answered on my talk page. I agree with both versions.

Note we lose a little bit our time because Deborahjay must still read and correct all this and she may "reformulate" completely.

Cheers, Ceedjee (talk) 18:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deir al-Ghusun Palestine remembered

I know I try to avoid it when I can and only use it when I'm desperate for info on villages, however, in this article's case I was using Sami Hadawi's 1945 stats on Palestine's villages, which was scanned by palestineremebered.com. Just click the link. --Al Ameer son (talk) 08:49, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New article

Hey Ynhockey, I hear that you're at the forefront of translating and creating Israel related articles, and I was wondering if there was a need for me to create an article parallel to this onein hebrew (entitled: Security of Israel), or rather to simply incorporate it into another article. Cheers --Fatal!ty (talk) 11:16, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Battles of the Kinarot Valley

Hey man, great article! I was thinking that maybe you should nominate it for DYK? Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:30, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey its your creation and nomination, so you choose. You only have a couple more days to nominate it if you haven't already (it has to be no more than 5 days old) Good luck! --Al Ameer son (talk) 16:50, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Palestinian Christian categories

Yea I was thinking about creating a mother cat called Arab Christian localities in the Levant, which would include Palestinian, Lebanese and Syrian towns and villages and I just put Israeli-Arab under Palestinian because many if not most self-identify as Palestinian Christian. However, I understand your national/official concerns and will create a separate cat called "Arab Christian localities in Israel". Good? --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:19, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just looked and I guess you're right since only 24% identify as Palestinian Christian (the rest as Arab-Israeli, and Christian Israeli). However, I totally disagree with the last statement about anti-Israeli figures being Muslims. Firstly, there are major politicians such as, Azmi Bishara, Emile Toma, Tawfik Toubi (who are anti-Zionists and support the Palestinian cause). Secondly, Muslims form nearly 80% of the Arab-Israeli pop. so obviously there will be more Muslim critics. Thirdly, I don't think any are "anti-semitic", just anti-Israeli/Zionist, which is different (If Israelis were Catholics, Hindus, Buddhists, etc., the Arab attitude would be the same.) --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:06, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Avraham Ahituv

Avraham Ahituv immigrated in 1935. There are not very many ways of saying someone immigrated in 1935 when they immigrated in 1935. Besides you're the editor of Israeli related subjects not I, so feel free to edit the Israel related subject Avraham Ahituv any time....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 19:54, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1. I'm not annoyed.
2. My "style" (if I have one) is heavily influenced by military manuals.
3. I'm more interested in accurate information than prose. Improvements in writing style I leave to others who are more capable than I.
4. It's probably my that writing style leaves others with the impression that I'm harsh and brusque, if you are under the impression that I was annoyed by your comment I apologise..The last sentence in the previous post was actually an attempt at humour in pointing out the irony of me creating Israeli related articles...maybe you needed to be at this end to have seen I was laughing while I was typing....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 20:28, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Labor Party

I would argue that Israeli is the correct term. For the examples you give, Israel is the correct term, and is used in Hebrew - Israel Police is משטרת ישראל. However, the party's Hebrew name uses "Israeli" rather than Israel - he:מפלגת העבודה הישראלית. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 20:00, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If only the party had an English website which we could get a definite result from. I can't believe how bad their Hebrew one is either. Very very poor for a major party. Anyway, I'll leave it up to you - if you want to move it, go ahead (just remember to correct the many redirects!). пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 20:17, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ref fix

I have no idea how I left out the actual tags and then failed to notice! Mr. IP 《Defender of Open Editing》 19:41, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Help with graphics

Hi. Listen, I need your help with some graphics, since I appreciate your previous work in that field. I'm trying to work on an article on the battle of Karameh in my sandbox. I've found this sketch of the battle. It basically just needs a translation into English, but could also benefit from some tweaks (shiftzurim). Do you think you can help me out here? Thanks. -- Nudve (talk) 17:02, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! No, of course it's not urgent. Whenever you feel like it. -- Nudve (talk) 17:21, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How is it inaccurate? Also, it doesn't have to 100% accurate in cartographic terms. It's a battle sketch, and should mainly show the deployment of the forces and military maneuvers. Also, as long as you're "on the case", feel free to have a look at the draft in my sandbox. Tell me if you can detect any syntax or copyedit errors (I always have difficulty detecting those things in my own writings...) -- Nudve (talk) 16:26, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops! wrong sandbox. Here's the one. -- Nudve (talk) 16:44, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(1)See? That's exactly the kind of thing I was talking about... :) (2) It could be DYKable, although after my experience with Battle of the Beaufort (1982), I'd rather not see Israeli-Palestinian related articles on the mainpage. It attracts trolls. (3) No, I was not aware of a meeting. I'm not really active on the Hebrew Wikipedia, and use the account mostly for interwiki, which is rare since the bots usually do it. How'd it go? (4) reply here. I'll just watch your talk page instead of this back and forth. -- Nudve (talk) 17:08, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you about attracting trolls, but I guess it depends. My recent article on the Degania battle did not attract any unwanted editing while on the main page, even though it had a lot of POV pushing potential. I think it could be worth a try.

About the meeting: it was held in the Technion today, and overall went fairly well. I have some criticism, especially in regards to organization, but on the other hand was impressed about how much coordination and effort went into Hebrew Wikipedia and related projects (which, like you, I don't edit much at all), as well as the Israeli Wikimedia branch, etc. I think that if there could be more representation from the English Wikipedia, we could also organize some simple awareness-raising activities like a lecture on one of the meets. All in all, I went into this meet in order to see real-life Wikipedians and learn more about the Hebrew Wikipedia, and to that end I am satisfied. If you wish, I'll inform you of the next meeting, which will probably take around winter (although it probably won't be an academic meeting like this one, and thus more community-oriented).

Finally, do you have an IM app? It's annoying to talk about things not directly related to articles on Wikipedia, which is much easier to do via IM (MSN Messenger, ICQ, AIM, GTalk, etc.)

-- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 17:19, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(1) Yeah, maybe it's worth a try. (2) The Technion? too bad, I could've gone. Although, as I said, I don't really know the people, which is probably the point. How many were there? (3) Not right now. There was a time I was hooked on ICQ, but I got off it, and would rather not start again right now :) -- Nudve (talk) 17:24, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moving to left
There were about 30-40 people (I didn't count), and naturally many couldn't come because it was in Haifa (I'm sure a meet in Tel Aviv would attract more people). A few of the members brought their families. As I said though, I was also not familiar with any of the people and mainly went there to get to know them, which was a positive experience. Even if you're not actually editing the Hebrew Wiki, it helps to know that you're working with real people and not an anonymous screen name (this automatically builds trust). In any case, it's none of my business but it would be convenient if one some issues which require long discussion with no public interest (for example, the map, the Wikipedia meet, etc.) we could talk using IM, so if you ever consider connecting, I suggest MSN Messenger (I hate ICQ too ;)). Cheers, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 17:37, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Point taken :) -- Nudve (talk) 18:08, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. Looks good so far. -- Nudve (talk) 04:14, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One point, though: The Adam bridge is known in English (ot at least Wikipedia) as the Damia bridge. That's also how it's referred to in the article. -- Nudve (talk) 04:23, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good! and I suppose its as accurate as it's going to get without an expert. Do you think that now with the map, it might have shot at GA? -- Nudve (talk) 06:08, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Different how? (reply here) -- Nudve (talk) 10:39, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is more (and more detailed) information on strength, commanders and casualties, which is sometimes different from what the article has. For example, it states that there were 1,000 Fatah guerillas. I'm adding some information with a ref now. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 10:42, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good. See if you can find out who the Jordanian commander was, cause I couldn't. I put down King Hussein, but that's probably not accurate. -- Nudve (talk) 10:47, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moving to left
Pollack doesn't say those units took part in the battle, but that they were deployed along the west bank. I can check his references if you want. Anyway, I found this paratroops site, which is more specific. I considered using it, but then I thought it might be too Israel-centric. Perhaps I was wrong. -- Nudve (talk) 12:28, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Right. Pollack used the word "elements" of the brigade, which is a little vague. this source simply put down the division. About the map: not bad, but perhaps an icon of a plane would be more clear than those bombs? -- Nudve (talk) 12:56, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your work is much appreciated :) -- Nudve (talk) 13:20, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I understand your concern. -- Nudve (talk) 13:24, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but I really can't say for sure. -- Nudve (talk) 14:09, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK

On 3 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Battles of the Kinarot Valley, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Wafulz (talk) 18:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi - my entry was more a frustrated note to myself - I had taken your hook and placed it on the 'next update' bit, but the original 'suggestions' page seized up with the annoying 'database locked' sign, so I had to go back and find and remove it from that page is all. Was a good hook and nice to have a map on the DYK section. Well done. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:26, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Need your help

Maybe you could help me making these seven magnified maps of israel work - a sample of the Beit She'an Area map in use, a sample of the Carmel Area map in use, a sample of the Netanya Area map in use, a sample of the North Shomron Area map in use, a sample of the Tel-Aviv Area map in use, a sample of the Upper Galilee map in use, a sample of the Upper Galilee map in use. I am really stuck with this. Acidburn24m (talk) 15:20, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another request

Hi. I've expanded Ida Nudel (at first, I thought I was creating it, but it turned out it already existed. But it's a good thing I did, because the former version was terrible and was nominated for deletion). Anyway, I need her name in Russian. Can you do it? -- Nudve (talk) 12:14, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You changed my Ashdod change

Dear Mr Ynhockey. I made a change to the preciptiation section in the Ashdod page and you deleted my change. Please note, 127 MM IS NOT 51 inches, it is 5.1 inches. Do the math. Ashdod does not receive a total of 220 inches of rain (about 5 meters) per year. Good luck in the Army, but please, check your math. I AM CORRECT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.45.188.112 (talk) 01:39, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of newspapers in Israel

Could you please verify/confirm the Russian newspapers in List of newspapers in Israel and Template:Newspapers of Israel? --Shuki (talk) 13:23, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi. How are things going with the Karameh chart? I've decided to move the article to mainspace, to clear the sandbox. I see you've done some "minor tweaks" to it - what are the benefits of the inverted commas on ref names? I've nominated it on DYK with the Black September hook. If you can think of a better one, feel free to suggest it on the DYK suggestions page.

Anyway, I think I've got another job for you, this time an easier one. I think I'll try and create some articles on battles in the 1982 Lebanon War, so I may need this map. Cheers -- Nudve (talk) 17:37, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the answer, interesting. There are several maps on commons that could be used, although their resolution might indeed not be high enough. -- Nudve (talk) 19:14, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Infobox kibbutz

I've reduced the protection level to semi, so you can edit it (sorry about that - just thought it would be handy). I did want to do that as well eventually (as I used the template for the moshavim and communal settlements) but never got round to it, and, like you said, it's a lot of work to go round all the articles. It might even be worth renaming the template Infobox Israeli village or something. Anyway, I'm pleased it has the map setting now. I might get around to going through all the kibbutz/moshavim/communal settlement articles and adding the map and all the other info... пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 18:34, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you do it soon, as all the pages currently look like this! пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 18:55, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work! I've just tried it on Matzuba. I have a question regarding the map, though. I've noticed the Gaza Strip appears to be split in half. Is this supposed to represent the Netzarim corridor? If so, it's obsolete. -- Nudve (talk) 08:07, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the map on the Hebrew Wikipedia is probably the optimal solution, but I suppose it might be technically difficult. Anyway, good luck :) -- Nudve (talk) 11:46, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point. My point is that the concept of having a double map, one showing the area and one showing a closeup, like this, is a good one, because of the shape of the country. -- Nudve (talk) 12:05, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I simply copied the template from Template:Infobox Kibbutz. Maybe it should be changed there. Also, I think there should be a blank template available for copying.

And on a different subject: I'd like to see your input regarding the draft I proposed on talk:Battle of Jenin. -- Nudve (talk) 16:54, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nice. This map really is better. I still think the format used by the Hebrew Wikipedia would be the way to go. -- Nudve (talk) 05:57, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your contribution to CFR discussion

I noticed that you made a comment to the already closed Category for Renaming discussion. You might want to check out the discussion taking place at User talk:Kbdank71. __meco (talk) 15:55, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Latrun

Ynhockey the above needs an info box for the protagonists. You seem to have plenty of knowledge on the protagonists of the various skirmishes of 1948 etc (or know where to get). Would you be good so kind as to drop a box onto Battle of Latrun, if you have time..Thanks...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 10:35, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes...Battle of Latrun needs an info box....I thought that Ceedjee had finished the translation....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 12:04, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

>Ceedjee, just to let you know, what you did on Ashley Kennedy's page (directly asking for support on a >talk page) is a serious violation of WP:CANVAS. Please refrain for doing this again. Thanks, Ynhockey >(Talk) 12:00, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

1. refrain from wikistalking. I know the rule better than you do.
2. refrain from pro-israli fanatic pov-pushing. You didn't even argue and this is the second time.

Are you a sockpuppet of Zeq ? I think so. Ceedjee (talk) 14:08, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bavli

Done. You might want to keep an eye on Yad Eliyahu Arena which Deanb has been involved in recently (basically a dispute over the title - Yad Eliyahu or Nokia Arena). пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 07:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Not sure that it needs a hatnote, as it's essentially a spelling mistake to write Florentin instead of Florentine. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 12:32, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for that note, Ynhockey. Much appreciated, I'm sure. I may be annoyingly garrulous on these things, but I think a little more intuitive feel for a collegial atmosphere, as you have just evinced, irrespective of the irreducible differences, can save us all from the kind of distractions that tend to be the bane of less experienced editing. Regards Nishidani (talk) 10:51, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kadima Elections

What exactly is not up to date about this entry? It contains the results of the election and explains what is currently happening as a result. What do you find missing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosemary82 (talk • contribs) 14:31, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gazeteer

I think Nudve added those references actually. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 17:43, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Improving the IDF article

Continuing a discussion started in the WPISRAEL talk page. I intended to do some work on it, and have added some info and sources. Now that I look at it again, this article is quite a mess. Much of it is unsourced and lots of undue cruft. We need some reliable sources on the regular and reserve forces. Do you have any? -- Nudve (talk) 08:11, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I will (maybe tonight - at the latest by Friday night) depending of the amount of work I have in this days. --noclador (talk) 08:42, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Shana Tova to you as well! -- Nudve (talk) 19:26, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Basically, I tend to agree. The "Within Legal System" may be problematic. The Tal Law should probably be mentioned along the Haredim draft and Hesder, and the security service law. In this sense, the current structure is good. The Israeli military technology sections should probably be discarded and relegated to "see also" wikilinks. Anyway, we should probably centralize this discussion. We can do it here, or in the draft's talk page. -- Nudve (talk) 19:52, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, by "centralize" I simply meant having the discussion on one page. The criticism section is indeed a potential POVFORK trap. -- Nudve (talk) 20:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shana Tova & Gmar Hatima Tova, please take a look: User_talk:Noclador#Request. Flayer (talk) 20:42, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your idea regarding IDF article seems fine to me! Flayer (talk) 21:06, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shana Tova

No, I'm not Jewish, but I appreciate the sentiments nevertheless! Best wishes for the new year, and I hope you weren't forced to eat any gefilte fish during dinner :) пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 21:44, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think you are doing -editing the palestinians history?

You are not allowed to do that, as no consensus have been reached, as to whether to 'delete' the template that I have spend 48 hours to emancipate, and spend 5 hours every Sunday morning to convert app. 10 articles of depopulated villages into the new modern design.Nick Finnsbury (talk) 12:26, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what you are talking about, there was no consensus, as there are people saying 'keep'. Consensus means that all agree to it. Therefore I question the legality of what you are doing, and I could anyway quickly make a template in a similar design.

During the socalled 'discussion' that took place on the deletion-page, there was no serious argumentation with proof, that the 'Palestinian Remember'-page numbers about houses standing etc. are wrong. It seems sensible that there are no houses standing for eksample, when the viollages have been flattened, so why not say so, when this is the case. Not only have your people 'deleted' the palestinians history and life in Palestine, now you want to delete their history tooNick Finnsbury (talk) 12:39, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now I have spent ½ hour undoing what you unlawfully have done

You have deleted my work. First you launch a pseudo-discussion about a non-existing problem, careful not to go into detail about what is wrong with my template. I know all those tricks and I know your peoples tricks. This is one thing - the dubious nature of your enterprise (and the moral defunct-ness of it with regards to the poor Palestinians and their historie). But to start delting my template, without any consensus have been reached is so outrageous, that you sjhould really worry, if you can stay here on Wikipedia, editing freely, the way you do. I would be VERY worried if I were you. Nick Finnsbury (talk) 13:20, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Arabic script

That's a great idea! I never thought about that. Badagnani, FunkMonk and I were discussing what to do about Arabic script a couple months ago, but this never crossed my mind. I will inform one of them and will make that necessary change. Yea, there's a lot of articles that need infobox restoration. I just did al-Kabri and al-Birwa (your change was reverted). However, seeing that restorations at the al-Birwa, az-Zeeb and Kafr Bir'im articles were reverted by Nick, I want to make sure he won't continue doing this, so we'll walking in circles. You know what I mean. He's taking it very personally, even though no personal attacks were waged against him. On the contrary, if he disagrees with someone, he will personally attack him/her. See my talk page. This is strictly against Wikipedia policy. So before we make any changes let us (or a third party) explain to him this policy and the 3-revert rule. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 13:31, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I will not do so now. If he attacks me for being a "collaborator" or "traitor" or anything else than I will be forced to. --Al Ameer son (talk) 13:36, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your note

Thank you, and to you as well! Jayjg ^(talk) 01:45, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox Israel municipality

I've semi-protected it indefinitely. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 11:15, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yet another graphics request

Hi. I need another favor from you. I think it's relatively simple this time, but you can probably do it better than me.I was asked at a GA review to add battle sketches. Basically I'd like two sketches derived from this (p. 50), one of the Ramadan offensive and one of the Haradh offensive. You can use any one of these maps, I think this one might be the best choice. Wandalstouring said it's not necessary for GA, so it's not urgent, just recommended. What do you say? -- Nudve (talk) 13:49, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First, thanks. Do you mean simply crop the map from the book? I don't know, that sounds close to copyvio. The new Israel pushpin map is truly awesome! -- Nudve (talk) 14:47, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I understand. How will that be done? -- Nudve (talk) 15:16, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry for being dense, but what exactly do you mean by "trace"? -- Nudve (talk) 15:29, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think I get it (I'll read those articles later...) Well, if you think it would yield better results, I guess you might as well go for it. If you think it's too sneaky, it shouldn't be too hard too draw those arrows on a PD map. -- Nudve (talk) 18:18, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

IDF chart

I updated the chart and emailed it to you :-) all the best, --noclador (talk) 22:30, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Navy

Don't worry, I keep an eye on the discussions via my contributions list. It is not an area I go into often, the middle east that is, so it isn't n my watchlist but I will keep an eye there. As I say, I'm more than happy to be proven wrong ;) --Narson ~ Talk • 16:34, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Paratrooper's Brigade

The IDF isn't the only army with an Airborne Brigade. I tagged it to reduce confusion. You might want to use it as a lead-in to a page using its "romanized" Hebrew name but English text. Hotspur23 (talk) 20:47, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Yitzhak Pundak

On 11 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Yitzhak Pundak, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cirt (talk) 13:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Karmiel

Hi Ynhockney. Huldra has been edit-warring with me over my attempt to remove the Arab bias and restore a balance to the Karmiel article. Maybe you could have a look? Best, --Gilabrand (talk) 16:48, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This looks rather like inappropriate WP:CANVAS. For some reason, Gilabrand is seeking to POV an incident of state-backed dispossession, the kind of thing that in other circumstances we'd call a pogrom. PR^talk 21:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PR, I left a note on the Karmiel talk page about this message, so no one is trying to hide anything. Please stop inventing conspiracies. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 21:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I do believe you fired off a stiff warning to Ceedjee for a lesser offence....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 23:45, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Possible Vandalism

to Acre article by 98.169.126.27. Do you have an Israeli article vandal monitor? It had been up for some time before I spotted it...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 23:45, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

IDF units

I see. Lot's of work to be done. Flayer (talk) 22:38, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Yosef Lishansky

On 16 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Yosef Lishansky, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 21:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Insignias in templates

Hi. I've noticed your removal of unit logos from the two templates I created earlier today. I'm not really sure what the English Wikipedia's policy on that is, but I have noticed that this one has been accepted by Wikicommons as "insignia", and so I have just used it in Template:IAF Commanders. Do you think the same with other units? -- Nudve (talk) 17:36, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You mean the IAF flag is not copyrighted? Or that the IAF itself uploaded it to commons? The commons page doesn't specify. -- Nudve (talk) 18:06, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The commons tag says "a flag, a coat of arms, a seal or some other official insignia", which should include that stuff. Then again, it doesn't really explain the copyright status. Weird. Anyway, sliced rectangles aren't interesting :) -- Nudve (talk) 18:27, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Any more Israeli architect articles planned?

Hi Ynhockey. I just wanted to write to you to tell you that I really appreciated reading your Ram Karmi article. I also think that the rest of your contributions are very good. Are you going to write any more articles about Israeli architects? Please do, if you would take a request from me. I've seen some articles on the Hebrew WP that would be good to have English translations of, about some very talented architects, but my ability to read Hebrew isn't quite what I would like it to be in order to translate confidently yet. I spend some time trying to learn every day, and I do love browsing the articles on the Hebrew WP. Are you going to nominate the article about Ram Karmi for DYK? I think you should, it would make a fine addition to the main page. Sincerely, DVD (talk) 22:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I nominated the article,[3] feel free to edit it. Regards, DVD (talk) 23:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Then I was uncertain about my writing and impatient waiting for it to go on the mainpage and withdrew the nomination.[4] It is a wonderful article but I wasn't sure of myself in writing, :( sorry I owe you a barnstar.

I linked the table of contents of the article because he enters the article in the middle and is discussed throughout the rest. I would have listed page numbers but there were titles instead and I wanted to introduce the whole article to the reader. DVD (talk) 20:58, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On another note, good luck on your RfA! I think you are going to pass. And last but not least, I was wondering if you could take a look at a naming convention question about another architect I noticed we have two articles started for,[5] [6] and that should probably be merged. Regards, DVD (talk) 20:29, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is the firms site [7] which spells his name with a (y) but many of the books on google books spell it with an (i). So I'm still not sure. But I do trust your judgment and think we can go ahead and merge or in this case redirect, it can always be moved again later. DVD (talk) 20:58, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry again for not waiting and for being impatient. But if someone later asks to move it back, you should by then be able to move it back over the redirect :) See you around, DVD (talk) 21:51, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RFA

Nudve would like to nominate you to become an administrator. Please visit Wikipedia:Requests for adminship to see what this process entails, and then contact Nudve to accept or decline the nomination. A page has been created for your nomination at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Ynhockey 2. If you accept the nomination, you must state and sign your acceptance. You may also choose to make a statement and/or answer the optional questions to supplement the information your nominator has given. Once you are satisfied with the page, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so.

:O If you accept, can I co-nom? Cheers, — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 18:12, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to say good luck - hopefully you'll avoid the POV trolls who disrupted mine! пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 08:15, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Welcome

Thanks for the feedback. I'm registered on HeWiki but not yet over here, is there no way to transfer it? Wasnt sure about which articles require cleanup or editing (particularly stylistic) - is there a guide to the abbreviations GA, A,B etc?85.65.10.167 (talk) 03:15, 22 October 2008 (UTC) Thanks a lot - wasnt transfered manually but may as well just register now...85.65.10.167 (talk) 03:29, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your RfA

I stumbled across it, which is a good thing. I rarely support anyone for admin, but my respect for you is so high, you deserve my support. Not that you need it. Now, my only critique is your lack of edits to hockey articles. How about we get a good Israeli hockey article going, since you're Israeli (and I'm technically so, but that was based on using the Law of Return, instead of actually living there), and we're both hockey fans, although if my memory serves me right, you're a Vancouver Canucks supporter. Just drop me a line if you want to do something about any article.OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 16:52, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Orbat graphics (again)

Hi Ynhockey; sorry for the late reply - I was a bit overburdened by work. "a link a while ago to the legend to your OrBat graphics"??? I can't recall doing so... under APP-6A are the symbols explained... but if you are referring to the colours scheme I use; I think I emailed that a long time ago to you. I just emailed the file to you now. If that is what you meant :-) if not, just let me know and I will try to give you the necessary informations. --noclador (talk) 07:40, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you make a vector version, that is fine with me. Just send me the finished file than. I started years ago with Photoshop and haven't had the time to redraw all graphics as vector images; so if you do the IDF as a vector graphic - that is fine with me :-) --noclador (talk) 10:55, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your RFA

Best wishes for your RFA -- Tinu Cherian - 17:00, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Add That. All the best, mate. Plutonium27 (talk) 18:41, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Forthcoming elections

This will be a hot article in the next few days I believe! пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 19:05, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's the standard naming format for future elections where there is no definite date - e.g. Next Japanese general election or Next Irish general election. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 19:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Israel highway infoboxes

Hi. Can you take a look at Template:Infobox Israel highway? It has a map parameter, but I'm not sure what it's for. Meanwhile, the infoboxes themselves (Highway 1 (Israel), for example) show a naked code. -- Nudve (talk) 20:58, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks :) -- Nudve (talk) 21:39, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are now an administrator

Congratulations, I have just closed your RfA as successful and made you an administrator. Take a look at the administrators' how-to guide and the administrators' reading list if you haven't read those already. Also, the practice exercises at the new admin school may be useful. If you have any questions, get in touch on my talk page. WJBscribe (talk) 19:04, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Beat the 'crats congrats!

Congrats on your RfA! –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 19:04, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Damn, he got to it a few seconds before me... –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 19:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yipee! Congrats also! PhilKnight (talk) 19:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Julian, what have I told you about stealing my comments :D Well, congrats anyways! RockManQ ^(talk) 21:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, congrats. —Ceran♦^(Sing) 19:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mazal Tov on your Adminship. I have been consistently impressed by the quality and scope of your work as an editor and I am sure that this same spirit will carry forward as an admin. My apologies for missing your RfA in the post-chagim confusion, but count me as a retrospective strong support. Alansohn (talk) 19:49, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well done on passing your RfA, best wishes and use the tools well! Camaron | Chris (talk) 20:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mazel tov. Go Kings. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 20:48, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

too shy

Er wait, that should be TWO shy... you should go complain to WJB, he closed your RfA just 2 shy of WP:100! Anyways, congrats on passing. I'm glad that I got in there just in time to change my support to full support... if the worst case of POV pushing is the allegation that came in at the 11th hour, I have no fear of your abusing the tools. Good luck.---Balloonman ^PoppaBalloon 21:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations

Congrats on your RFA! Even though I opposed it, I think (and hope) you will make a fine admin. Cheers! Mww113 (talk) 22:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also from me - good luck - you'll need it (see the mess I became embroiled in here...). пﮟოьεԻ 5 7

Congratulations! --Banime (talk) 22:48, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Again, congrats! Just remember to not delete the main page, and we'll have no problems :D RockManQ ^(talk) 03:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations on your successful RFA . Best wishes again-- Tinu Cherian - 04:40, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looking forward to your new and improved contributions! -- Nudve (talk) 05:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats from me as well! Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 11:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats! :-) AdjustShift (talk) 19:37, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Поздравляю вас, from the other side of the border Nishidani (talk) 21:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]