Talk:Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind (film)

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Merge Teto

I agree with whoever added the merge on Teto, it would be better as part of this article (or the manga version). --h2g2bob (talk) 15:23, 21 September 2007 (UTC) I think that the merge would be a good idea...afterall, the Teto article, is only what, one paragraph? (66.203.32.62 19:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Nausicaa Website not allowed as an External link??

And why is my www.thevalleyofthewind.0catch.com a valid external link? This site is very informative and explains Nausicaa in great detail, the link is not intended as an advertisment, only a source of information to people looking to learn more about Nausicaa of the valley of the wind.

It is a fan/personal site and it is full of illegal content that violates copyrights. Wikipedia does NOT support such activities and such sites are completely inappropriate for linking. Collectonian (talk) 01:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crystalis?

The NES and later Gameboy game Crystalis is linked to this Movie and appears to have several references to the movie and the manga. Could this be something worth mentioning? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.224.142.218 (talk) 05:31, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Only if a valid source can be found confirming the references are intentional. Collectonian (talk) 05:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Characters, Ships and species

In the manga, there are a lot of characters, several sort of ships and various fictive species. Why there are not, as in the french version of this page, section about this in this page ? Nicolas.le-guen (talk) 21:43, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Such a section about them wouldn't be encyclopaedic. Informative, sure, but well beyond the scope of Wikipedia. Now, if you could link back such information with real-world context, such as where the idea for a certain gun or vehicle came from, then you'd have something. Ong elvin (talk) 02:12, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure that is the point he is trying to make. The manga version has its own article and this discusses the characters, creatures and plot (although some of it certainly non-noteworthy). Wiki-Ed (talk) 11:18, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The fact other articles exist with such information doesn't necessarily mean that it should be included in this article. Many articles are written with little formal reviewing. In the end, in-universe information is fine, but it should not be more than what is necessary to convey the a plot synopsis. Weapon, vehicle and character bios are not required for this. Also try reading WP:FICTION. Ong elvin (talk) 13:22, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Film and Manga

I have suggested that the manga article be merged back into this article. Per WP:MOS-AM, they should be covered in within a singular article rather than separately. The differences between the two are not so significant as to warrant a split. Additionally, this whole article needs to be retooled to better emphasize that the manga is the primary work, not the film. Thoughts? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 07:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support The current amount of content and coverage does not seem to warrant a split. G.A.S ^talk 07:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I do not see any such guidance in WP:MOS-AM. The film and the manga are significantly different, which is pretty obvious from the material in each of the articles (production, plot, characters etc). Merging them would make a messy and confusing article for a non-expert reader. Wiki-Ed (talk) 11:27, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To quote: "In general, do not create separate articles for a different medium belonging to the same franchise, unless: 1. They differ sharply in plot, characters, or in other major characteristics; or 2. The article becomes too large." As obviously neither article is too long, please show how they differe sharply? Same basic plot, same characters, the only difference is the film only adapts a part of the manga, which is not a significant difference nor sharp variance. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 13:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I do not oppose the merge, but since I have read the manga version quite a lot of times, I would suggest using the manga version as the main plot. The manga plot is much longer and except for a few characters, a whole lot of other important characters that appeared in the later part of the manga does not appear in the movie. MythSearcher^talk 14:15, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The film article does emphasize that the manga is the primary work (several times throughout the article). Both articles are developed quite well, and the differences between the two works is significant (plot, character changes, etc., as discussed in the articles themselves, though those parts could be expanded upon). There is certainly enough material out there to warrant and support two articles. As for the length of the articles, each is about 20k, which is decently sized, so I see no reason to merge them. The only thing I can see which needs to be done here is expanding each of them, especially with more emphasizing of the differences between them. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 15:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Merging manga and film would make the article focused on the original work (manga), with a subsection on its adaptation. The film is too "notable" to be reduced to an afterthought in an article on the manga.--Nohansen (talk) 15:43, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral. Having read the manga and viewed the film myself, the differences between them aren't as significant as the differences in adaptations of other series that are covered in one article, and it seems to me that the main cause of these differences is the fact that the film is adapted from the first two or so volumes of the manga, so later plot elements of the film are changed to give it a satisfactory conclusion. On the other hand, as Nohansen pointed out, the film has definite notability separate from that of the manga - if we decided article structure based on notability, this one would end up focusing on the film with the manga as an afterthought. I would say there's definitely enough information out there ultimately for each medium to support its own article, it's just a matter of someone going out and looking for it. In the meantime, I wouldn't be opposed to a merge, if that's what's decided. —Dino guy 1000 17:30, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The film is extremely notable, far more so than the manga is, being one of the most well known animated films in Japanese history. Covering them on one page would reduce the attention given to the film, in favor of the manga. For other examples where this is the case, even limiting ourselves to Ghibli films, we have Howl's Moving Castle (film), separate from Howl's Moving Castle, Kiki's Delivery Service, separate from Kiki's Delivery Service (novel), Tales of Earthsea (film), separate from Earthsea, etc. In cases where an adaptation is largely notable completely outside of the original source material, keeping it on its own page is appropriate.kuwabaratheman (talk) 18:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]