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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Sjakkalle (talk | contribs) at 08:58, 13 October 2005 (AFD debate link). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Please be patient with me. This is my first Wikipedia entry. I have read the FAQ and am trying to comply with the guidelines for entries. I am open to all suggestions and edits to make this page of Wikipedia calibre. Thank you, --Diana Elgar 08:02, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to all the Wikipedians who have helped to 'Wikify' this entry. I am paying close attention to the correct formatting for Wikipedia so I can do them myself in the future. --Diana Elgar 00:29, 7 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have noted that more sources of information would be desirable for this entry. Unfortunately, getting information about Stephen and thus news coverage about him and his case is very difficult. The Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) are responsible for providing consular assistance to Australians in legal trouble overseas. Absent the family's financial ability to go to Argentina to visit him themselves, DFAT would normally be the main source of information in a case like Stephen's.

DFAT have provided very little information to Stephen's family in Australia. DFAT have also not provided adequate medical care to Stephen despite the family's knowledge that he has medical problems that require ongoing treatment. It is also very difficult to find English speaking persons in Argentina to visit Stephen. A volunteer who must travel 3 hours by bus to get to the prison has managed to visit him once. DFAT have been slow in providing the permissions necessary for anyone to visit Stephen.

This all stands in very stark contrast to the generous assistance provided by DFAT to Schapelle Corby. Corby has in fact had a DFAT provided physician on standby to visit Ms Corby on her request and has also provided significant financial legal aid to her. I won't speculate on the reasons for the differences in treatment, but Sutton clearly has needs that DFAT could meet and have met for other Australians imprisoned overseas.

The main source of information about Sutton is his sister, Ann Cluse. Ann has gone to no small amount of trouble to put up a website and has been threatened with legal action by DFAT for her publication of what she has been told by them. If there were wider press coverage of this matter, I would happily reference it, but DFAT are releasing very little and it's hard to get in touch with Stephen directly. It is hoped that this Wikipedia entry and Ann's website will generate the sort of interest necessary to get some news coverage. thanks, --Diana Elgar 01:32, 7 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There has been a concerted effort on the part of some people to get material about Stephen Sutton deleted from Wikipedia. The reason for this appears to be due to a dispute between Sutton's sister, Ann Cluse, a prisoner advocate named Kate Gibbons who works on Ann & Stephen's behalf, and a prisoner advocacy oorganisation from Brisbane, Australia called Foreign Prisoner Support Service (FPSS).

FPSS is operated by Tony Fox. Kay Danes is his associate. Cluse had at one time engaged the assistance of FPSS in an attempt to help Stephen while he is in prison in Argentina but discovered that FPSS had engaged in unacceptable behaviours and sought to separate herself from them. Cluse only engaged FPSS to have Stephen's case mentioned on the FPSS website. Cluse has since set up her own website for Stephen at http://stephensutton.com . Kate Gibbons was working as a volunteer for FPSS and separated herself from them for the same reasons as Ann. The only thing Cluse and Gibbons want from FPSS, Fox and Danes is to be left alone by them- and that includes the Wikipedia entry about Stephen.

You will find extensive personal attacks on Kate Gibbons in particular in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_Australians_in_international_prisons page. Many of these personal attacks come from a person who identifies as "Robert Frost from OSE Prisoners Dispute Services U.K." "Robert Frost" claims to be in the UK, but is posting from IP address 144.131.198.139 (see http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=144.131.198.139). This IP is in a block assigned to Telstra in Brisbane, Australia, which also happens to be the location of FPSS. You will find that "Frost" has repeatedly spammed links for FPSS in the aforementioned entry as a harassment of Cluse and Gibbons. See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Australians_in_international_prisons&diff=24934445&oldid=24227584 for a rather grievous offence.

Cluse and Gibbons only want to help Stephen, not deal with harassment and abuse. The vandalism of Wikipedia entries and interference with the real purpose of Wikipedia by falsely motivated requests for deletion of this article is an intolerable abuse of Wikipedia and its fine users, some of whom have been sucked in to this dispute without knowing all the issues behind it. Now they know.

Now, can we please set about the business of helping Stephen live more comfortably until we can get him home? That's why I'm here. --Diana Elgar 03:50, 7 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This article has been kept following this AFD debate. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:58, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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