User talk:Nunh-huh

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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Angela . 01:51, Feb 3, 2004 (UTC)

Hi, I just noticed your edit on George W. Bush. Thanks! Nice work. Meelar 02:48, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Kudos on your patience with the Benito Juárez burger flipper. Let's hope he stops back and reads your helpful reply. –Hajor 20:52, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

What I saw on the Diff was not what got reverted. I was going to put it back, but Minesweeper beat me to it. RickK 03:38, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

About Billie Burke

Actually, there's no hard and fast rule, but a person's full name is generally not considered trivia and usually goes first. See Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom, Mother Teresa, Groucho Marx, and Ringo Starr, and then John Wayne for contrast. As a compromise, I propose following the Groucho Marx example: "Mary William Ethelbert Appleton Burke, known as Billie Burke" -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 22:29, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

These seem to be done exactly backwards. A person's "real" name is the one they are known by, and it matches the title of their article. It's very jarring to click on "Billie Burke" and start reading about "Mary William Ethelbert Appleton Burke". Why, indeed, one might ask, "Burke"? Why not "Mary William Ethelbert Appleton Burke Ziegfeld"? The answer: no one's looking for that name. When names are "close" like Richard Starkey and Ringo Starr, and relatively common knowledge, it's not so jarring, but "Billy Burke" and (MWEAB) are sufficiently different, and (MWEAB) so unknown, that expecting one and finding the other is disconcerting. One ought to take this into account, and I think the "reveal" of an utterly trivial name, like (MWEAB), which was never used by, or known to, the public, ought to be within the narrative. It just clutters up the topic sentence otherwise, for no discernable reason. - Nunh-huh 22:51, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

We actually do have a Manual of Style for Wikipedia, and here's what the specefic one on biographies says on the topic: For people who are best known by a pseudonym, the birth name should usually appear first in the article, followed closely by the pseudonym. Follow this practice even if the article itself is titled with the pseudonym:

Louis Bert Lindley, Jr. (June 29, 1929 - December 8, 1983), better known by the stage name Slim Pickens
- '''Louis Bert Lindley, Jr.''' ([[June 29]], [[1929]] - [[December 8]], [[1983]]), better known by the [[stage name]] '''Slim Pickens'''

Alternatively, the birth name can appear in apposition to the pseudonym:

E. B. White, born Elwyn Brooks White (July 11, 1899 - October 1, 1985), was an American essayist, author, and noted prose stylist.
- '''E. B. White''', born '''Elwyn Brooks White''' ([[July 11]], [[1899]] - [[October 1]], [[1985]]), was an [[United States|American]] [[essay]]ist, [[author]], and noted prose stylist.

You can suggest changes to the standards at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(biographies)

I'm not going to suggest a change, though it should be changed. I'm not into dictating what others write, or setting down countless regulations and rules. The Manual of Style is a suggestion, not writ in stone, and not a one-size-fits-all solution. If you sincerely prefer your opening sentence, change it. If you do change it, I hope you will also actually make substantial contributions to the article. I, however, would consider that such a change reduces the readability of the article. -- Nunh-huh 23:15, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I'm sure I heard that JWs could transfuse their own blood, but apparently I heard incorrectly. Nevertheless, the resulting change is good, I think.

If dialysis is precluded also, might mention that.

Scott McNay 04:42, 2004 Feb 26 (UTC)

I think you probably heard about some other intra-operative "blood-saving" technique in which their own blood is returned intravenously. It would have previously been forbidden, but bit by they seem to be "loosening up". When Procrit first came out, it was forbidden, now it's a "matter of personal conscience". Dialysis is allowed, as are "non-primed" cardivascular bypass machines. Cell-saver technology is currently forbidden...the problem seems to be that blood is momentarily "stored" rather than always circulating during its use. (Go figure)<G>. If any detail is to be gone into, it probably needs a whole "Jehovah's Witnesses and blood" section, and no doubt that would attract a lot of edit-warring. But it has become such a complex doctrine that it really can't all go in one sentence. -- Nunh-huh 05:10, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Eugenia Smith

Nice work on Eugenia Smith. RickK 00:35, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Jonathan Tunick

Good work, I was going to look him up, but I got busy on the Oscars. I looked up Liza on imdb, and she won Best Actress for Cabaret. Did she win a Tony?

I thought Liza won a Tony for "Liza with a Z". RickK 02:58, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)

She won a "Special Tony" in 1974 for "adding special lustre to the Broadway season", which I think was the year of "Liza with a Z", so it's another of those "asterisk" awards... fortunately for her, she had two real ones, but apparently no Grammy. (I can't find a good Grammy database though) -- Nunh-huh 03:05, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)