User talk:Jimbo Wales
(Old stuff cleared out.)
Jimbo,
There is some concern over at Wikipedia:Copies of Wikipedia content (low degree of compliance) about sites that use Wikimedia bandwidth to serve images onto their pages (i.e. they don't store a local copy of the image - just take it from the Wikimedia servers when required). The particular case under discussion right now is http://www.wordiq.com/. Some people (me included, actually) would prefer to see the bandwidth only used for directly furthering Wikimedia projects. However I seem to recall you saying somewhere that you are quite tolerant of this sort of use and we should leave things as they are right now. Obviously as you are very generously still footing the bill for bandwidth, your opinion should carry overriding weight on this issue... so I was wondering what that opinion was! Thanks. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 12:22, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I'm not tolerant of bandwidth theft, which is what it is. If necessary, we should take technical measures (by checking the referer variable, for example, and serving up a 'blocked' image) to prevent this. I'm not agitated about it at the moment, and yes, I pay for it, rather than it coming out of our general fund, but of course there's a sense in which the more I have to pay for bandwidth the sooner will come the day when I can't afford it anymore, which would be too bad.
Has anyone tried to contact them? Are they nice people? I see that they are hiding behind domainsbyproxy.com, which could just be a legitimate exercise of privacy rights, but could also be cover for a spammer. Jimbo Wales 22:20, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
YEAH, BABY! Wikipedia is FAST. I haven't had a save that fast since the first day I setup the first website and no one knew about it but me. Jimbo Wales 22:21, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- Haha. Yes, the tech situation is much improved, and we're all thankful. →Raul654 22:26, Feb 13, 2004 (UTC)
- Yep, I'm loving the new setup too! Several contributors wrote to wordiq.com previously because they weren't acknowledging that their content was from Wikipedia, and were claiming their own copyright. After several emails, the last of which was quite stern (i.e. mentioned DomainsByProxy's policy on copyright infringement, Google's policy on removing copyright infringements etc) they made the appropiate attributions. It was mav who had the most success - I and others got identical emails saying they would look into the matter. The sum of all this is that the general impression was that they weren't all that nice people. HOWEVER they said at least twice that their website was merely a school project - they didn't care what happened "as long as they got their A". This of course may be true and I personally would then have a bit more sympathy than a purely commercial outfit, but it sounds a little fishy - what with a toolbar to download from download.com, the domainsbyproxy thing, the solicitation for advertisers (though no actual advertisers). All the previous talk is listed at Wikipedia_talk:Sites that use Wikipedia for content and Wikipedia:Copies of Wikipedia content (low degree of compliance). Their email address is support@wordiq.com. Please give me a shout if there's anything I can do to help out with this. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 00:06, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Can I ask you to refer the matter of me and Anthony DiPierro to the arbitration committee? --Wik 20:32, Feb 16, 2004 (UTC)
- And until a formal decision is reached, can you put an emergency stop to certain sysops' vigilanteism? RickK and Hephaestos blocked me twice each, and Ed Poor once. (Various other sysops have unblocked me.) How can five clear-cut violations like that go unpunished? The rules say sysops are only allowed to ban logged-in users for persistent vandalism. --Wik 19:56, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)
- What is it that you want arbitrated? The fact that you go around reverting my edits for no reason other than "on principle?" If I'm going to agree to go to arbitration with you you need to explain what your problem is. Anthony DiPierro 20:29, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- As a neutral observer, I like to say that, in my opinion, Anthony makes a valid point. →Raul654 21:38, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)
- As an observer of many people on Wikipedia who act as if they are neutral, I'd like to say that, sincere as these people may be in their beliefs, frequently most often they are not neutral. I wonder if the way "neutrality" gets thrown around here (as in "NPOV") has made people think it's easy for any individual to achieve. If so, the effect is pernicious...from my POV. 168...|...Talk 21:51, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Banning Plautus satire
Jimbo -
First, as this is the first time I've really spoken to you directly, I'd like to say thanks for Wikipedia - it's great and I love it.
I recently banned Plautus satire. Shortly thereafter, it was discussed (without my knowledge) on the mailing list, and I think my actions have been portrayed quite unfavorably. I left this explination on Ed's talk page, but I just wanted to make sure you saw it too. →Raul654 05:52, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)
Ed,
- I was alerted to your unblock of Plautus Satire by Finlay McWalter. I don't read the mailing list, but I think I should start. Regardless, I know you unblocked User:Plautus satire, and I can see your reasons for it. But please consider - he had already been blocked twice (by other admins, despite his claims otherwise) for trolling and vandalizing talk pages. He was warned to stop harassing other users (If Silsor's fanmail page doesn't convince you, I don't know what will). Of his many edits, only about 4-8 were valid improvements to articles. I took every opportunity to let him know his behavior was unacceptable (see user talk:Plautus satire, or talk:Albert Einstien, et al), but that he I would "wipe the slate clean" if he would stop committing bannable offenses (as mentioned above, reverting talk pages and presenting inflammatory comments as facts). He turned me down cold every time.
- I finally did block him after he reverted another user's comment on the blackhole talk page. That user had quoted him, and Plautus felt that quoting him gave him license to remove the comment because "it was his". After I blocked him, I had 4 or 5 seperate people thanke me on my talk page. I even asked mav before-hand, but he pasesd the buck saying he was just an ordinary admin. So I don't think my banning him was unilateral, or unjustified. →Raul654 00:26, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)
I respectfully ask that you take a look at this user page. I feel that it is unacceptable, and would further point out (Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Lord Kenneth) and the fact that I have had a failed attempt at mediation with him (Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/progress bulletin archive). Thank you for your time. Sam Spade 08:12, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- Lord Kenneth did something to me on #wikipedia (Wikipedia's IRC channel) which made me unhappy. I wrote my report at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Lord_Kenneth#Behaviour_on_IRC -- Optim 04:56, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Genoa
Hi, my nick-name is Ettorre, but my name is Gregorio, i lives in Genoa and I would be very happy as all the Italian wikipedians if you came to the meeting in Genoa. It forgives my English, but I am not a god in to speak it.
Irismeister - arbitration
Hi Jimbo. I have placed a request for arbitration on the matter of User:Irismeister here. The situation has recently escalated, and he is intimidating various users with threats of lawsuits. I would be grateful if you would refer this case to arbitration committee. Thank you. :) fabiform | talk 14:16, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Hi, Jim. This is the first time I address you here and I wanted to say how great an idea Wiki is, and that I will help it with all my powers (which are IMNSHO not weak). Rest assured I do not intimidate anyone, and never enter personal attacks for matters of principle. If I am insulted on a daily basis, which you know, at least do not allow it to degenerate into libel against me. Not pleasant for anyone. Banning me or arbitrating is not an issue as long as insults against me in writing are stopped in Wiki. Thank you and happy editing - irismeister 19:31, 2004 Feb 23 (UTC)
Jim, I wish to strongly support the request for arbitration in the matter of Irismeister, and also support the view that mediation would be impracticable. - MykReeve 20:33, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Arbitration with Plautus satire
Jimbo - I'd like to request arbitration with Plautus satire. I've followed the dispute resolution to the letter (as have several other users), and it's gotten me nowhere. The poll on his RFC page currently has 18 people in favor of banning him, and only 2 who consider him a useful contributor (Lir and Irismeister - go figure). Attempts to set up mediation with him were fruitless -- he refuses to mediate with all concerned parties (he wants 4 seperate mediations), he insisted on having Sam Spade mediate (Sam is not a member of the mediation committee), and he said he was going to quit contributing, only to change his mind later. As many people have said, I think we've bent over backwards and then some to accomodate him. If ever there was a case for the arbitration committee, this is it. Regardless of what you decide, I'd appreciate it if you would explain your thoughts on the situation. →Raul654 00:08, Feb 24, 2004 (UTC)
I second this. He has been seriously messing up the Sep 11 Terorrist Attacks page with his own brand of nonsense. Arno 06:38, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
After seeing this, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Silsor&diff=0&oldid=2521010 - Please put him on the arbitration community. WhisperToMe 05:24, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Can we not refer him to the arbitration committee? He has wasted enough time already. silsor 05:25, Feb 25, 2004 (UTC)
Well, we have to find the quickest legal way to ban him. Oh yea, this should strengthen the case against him: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk:Astronomy&diff=0&oldid=2521066 WhisperToMe 05:31, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I concur, please move this forward. I'm tired of seeing him try to bait people into fights. Ideally it shouldn't have taken even this long; he's been nothing but a problem from the first day he was here. Isomorphic 05:44, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Press Release
Associated Press' email address for press releases bounces. Could Bomis fax the press release to them? AP contacts are here. The most appropriate seems to be Business News: New York fax: 212-621-1587. ATTN: Anick Jesdanun - Internet correspondent. Secretlondon 22:53, Feb 24, 2004 (UTC)
Jimbo,
Please check into this article and see that the NPOV is being maintained.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=White_separatist&action=history
Thanks,
Paul Vogel
Personal endangerment
I had the sad misfortune to provide my legal name to the wikipedia. Later I went out of my way to have it changed. Unfortunately, some admins have decided to harass me regarding this, something I find to be dangerous. 03:43, 1 Mar 2004 User:Bcorr made an edit to my userpage titled "(boring)". In this edit he used the name from my email account as substitute for his own. Prior to that, he and RK repeatedly reverted talk:pantheism to keep me from removing my surname, which they had placed there (originally my user name contained my surname, which I later changed feeling that it was unsafe). Despite my frantic attempts to stop them, both on their user page's and IRC, I have found no relief. I feel very strongly that I not be personally endangered by the presence of my name on this web site. I understand that I have brought some of this on myself by ignorance early on. It took me some time to understand how agressive and dangerous a place this can be. But now I know better, and it is VERY important to me not to have my name placed on public display by your administrators. Help me, please. Sam Spade 03:54, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)