Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Zizban

Most, but not all of these sockpuppets appear to be linked with User:Zisban

The behavior of these vandals is rude and offensive and should be stopped. Furthermore, by looking at the users' edit summaries, all the users on the RfC except User:Asari, User:17.255.240.70 and User:Zerozero seem to follow patterns which link them to User:Zizban. User:Zerozero might have a weak link with User:Zizban, having an interest in SkyOS (but having made a legitimate edit there, he/she should get the benefit of the doubt.) Andrew pmk | Talk 23:11, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Do a user check on the IP's for Asari and ZeroZero and I'm sure you'll find they match other IP's in this RfC. The behaviour is identical, and the subject has a history of sockpuppet use, so its relatively safe to say they're his.

Zizban has also made legitimate edits to articles, so that reason doesn't stop a sockpuppet belonging to him. --Kiand 23:17, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Umm, this is interesting and outright baffling. I only have one user name. I am on a dynamic IP that changes about every seven days or so and covers a good chunk of three American states (Massachusetts, Vermont and New York State). If you feel the comments are similliar, perhaps that says something about you, Kiand, rather than me having sock puppets.

Got you for lying their straight of. The IP you're editing from now has vandalised pages, signing as generallego. This links you to a second user name you're using, which means you're lying. We also have the other IP used by generallego, your own name, and your employers IP, as linked by you when you objected at it being banned. Straight off, 5 instances. Leaves me in no doubt as to the rest entirely being you.

You're not going to be able to weasel out of this. --Kiand 00:16, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't you read what I just wrote? The IPs change here every seven days or so. Its quite possible I have this generllego's ip right now, He may have mine right now. Who knows?

That excuse is so poor that most 7 year olds would be embarrased having it. Only you have been spending inane amounts of time vandalising my page, and attacking me and Golbez, and you know it. No way some utterly random person from the same netblock was doing it -at the same time as you- with -exactly the same MO-. Really, you should be ashamed, thats such a bad excuse --Kiand 00:38, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I stand by my story. I only have one user name. I have never used another, ever. I truly think you are paranoid. I'm sorry you feel to lash out this way, but truly, I have better things to do with my time than create sock puppets to comment on your user page.

Such as vandalism and personal attacks under your current username, or logged out from your work IP? --Kiand 00:45, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You know, if you weren't serious, this would be pretty funny. Actually, it is. User:Friday did a nice job of making peace between us. I made him a promise to be nice and I have stuck to it. I only have one ID, zizban. Its all I ever use. I do not use another, anonymous or not.

No, no you haven't. Theres proof on this page already that you've continued to harrass me after the end of any attempts at peace making, and that you've been duplicitious in usernames, despite your futile protests. --Kiand 00:56, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I stick by my story, which is the full truth. You need to look deep inside yourself and reflect. I shall not be adding anymore to this discussion.

Enjoy your delusions. Next time you or a sockpuppet of yours so much as touches one of my user pages, I will be requesting a temporary block for the duration of this RfC. --Kiand 01:11, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Is thing is over yet? YAWN.

Remedy?

One question that often comes up with an RFC is, what is the purpose or desired outcome? To me it seems clear that Kiand wants the harassment to stop. I think WP:BLOCK#Disruption can apply here. If Zizban continues to harass, he should probably be blocked. If other user accounts harass, they could also be blocked as appropriate. I'm a newly promoted sysop and hadn't thought I'd be talking about blocks so soon, but does this seem reasonable? I'm going to go ahead and warn Zizban on his talk page that users can be blocked for disruption and ask him again to stop the harassment. Friday (talk) 02:26, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Block those others users, I don't care, because they're not me. If they are giving me a bad name, then they deserved to be blocked.--User:Zizban

I want the sockpuppets, which are clearly his despite his childish denials "it wasn't me mummy, it was just someone who looked and acted exactly like me at the same time and place, honest" to be proven to be his, for a start. Ideally, I'd like him blocked every time he or a sock puppet so much as comes close to me or the other user he's been messing around with, Golbez. --Kiand 15:58, 15 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop the personal attacks here. In addition, I'm willing to offer a deal: I'll stay from your page, I won't even visit it, if you stay away from my page and the SkyOS page. The reason I add the SkyOS page is that it started this whole thing; obviously you have a heavy POV about SkyOS. Further, Let's designate an unbiased third party to monitor our behavior. Not Golbez, because I consider him biased. I suggest Friday.--User:Zizban

I'm not going to stay away from any page - I will continue to remove attacks against my person, direct or indirect such as the current crap you have, from your user page, as allowed under WP:NPA, and I refuse to take orders from anyone about which pages I can and cannot edit -particularly not from users such as yourself, and blatant liars such as yourself.

I don't think anyone with a grain of sense believes your diatribe about your sockpuppets. Then again, anyone with a grain of sense would also be able to see that you've done basically nothing on here in the past month and a half but harass.--Kiand 17:07, 15 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This is unfortunate. Let the admins note I presented a reasonable compromise that was roundly rejected.

Kiand has as much right to edit SkyOS as anyone. Friday (talk) 23:20, 15 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

So that means I can edit his page, since I have that same right?

In this RFC. User:Kiand has called me a liar and childish and wants me banned if I go near his user page yet when I suggest a reasonable compromise, I get called names again. How long will this tolerated? When will it end? --User:Zizban

When you admit that they're your sockpuppets and quit your completely transparent charade might be a start. --Kiand 21:21, 16 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You know, if they were mine, at this point I would admit to it just to shut you up but I am a deeply spiritual guy and refuse to admit to something that I didn't do.

Trying to escape being seen with the smoking gun isn't going to work. You edited the same pages with different names/IP's and left behind FAR too many clues to escape - same IP, same users being harassed, same signoffs (generallego, etc). Your excuses are also absolutely terrible. --Kiand 21:36, 16 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You see things that are not there, really. I think you are being unreasonable. I am abandoning User:Zizban and Wikipedia in general and I will ask the admins to delete my user. That one poster in your talk was correct: It is people like you that give Wikipedia a bad name.

Well at least this is over. Your terms were unreasonable - SkyOS is not yours. His user and talk pages, however, are his. You have a problem. Get professional help. --Golbez 00:13, 17 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

And another sock

Because, obviously, no sane person believes that two seperate people would regularly swap the same Adelphia cable IP address (and get issued no other ones but it), have the same obsessions and have the same users to harass, its pretty obvious its Zizban.

In addition, theres clear evidence that User:Lord Chess is another sockpuppet, presumably set up for future use. --Kiand 10:58, 18 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bzzzt! your wrong, but thank you for playing!

Funny how you found this page if you weren't watching it, e.g. one of Zizbans socks (for that is what you are). --Kiand 15:20, 18 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I came looking for it after I was alerted to it. I'm not a sock but rather something else entirely. If you can figure it out, I'll give you a cookie.

Someones scizhophrenic secondary/tertiary personality?

Give it up, Zizban. NOBODY belives you. --Kiand 15:39, 18 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing to believe (you left off the e). You'll find out, someday. What's actually funny about this is you totally missed the actual sock puppet Zizban used on your page. Yes, there is one and you missed it in this RfC.

Considering you (for it is Zizban) used so damn many sockpuppets, its kinda hard to list the lot of them. In addition, even if you were two/three seperate people, thats still covered by the sockpuppet policy as meatpuppets. But you're not. --Kiand 15:46, 18 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You have no clue. Catch you on the funway!

And you have no life, something you've shown by having what, 5 accounts and doing nothing more on here than editing the page on the OS you use, and obsessing over two users. --Kiand 15:52, 18 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]