Talk:The Wall

Moved this from the article to here: <<Pink Floyd began a tour to promote The Wall, but the gigantic, elaborate state show was so expensive that it quickly lost money. The tour was cancelled after only a few performances.>> This is incorrect. The show played in New York, Los Angles, London, and another European venue too I think. Each city got 2 weeks of shows, or something. Waters, Gilmour, and Mason all invested in the show (Wright was kicked out of the band by now, yet still played the tour), and made no profits, pretty much paying themselves, and the crew, backup singers etc. to play. The shows were elaborate though, with three screens projected onto a carboard-brick wall that was built throughout the first half of the show, and broken down at the end

-- Zoe

It is indeed a rock opera

Someone who previously edited this article asked "what is a rock opera", and thereby removed the term from the article.

I have reinstated the "rock opera" status to "The Wall" as it is just that...this is an album that tells a definitive story. I also left the term "concept album" in the article, because, as it is explained under the rock opera article, sometimes a rock opera can also be classified as a "concept album", so "The Wall" carries both meanings.

Hiphats

Censorship.

The quotes near the bottom have an asterisk in the word "Fuck" in the last paragraph, but the word "fuckin'" does not. I assumed this was intentional censorship on the part of the writer and went into the editing console to remove it (since censorship should have no place in a reference material, in my opinion.)

I discovered that in the console, it is not censored.

...What's going on? Does wikipedia automatically censor it and simply not recognize the "fuckin'" string as a curse? And how would we go about curbing the censorship if it *were* automatic?

The Movie

The movie plot given in this article differs significantly from the story or concept behind the album, in that it claims that Pink tries to commit suicide, and actually does become a neo-nazi leader. I think that the movie pretty much mirrors the concept as described in the article - a lot of the events depicted in the movie are metaphorical. Pink tearing melting worms of his face and emerging as a fascist leader can't be taken literally.

Vhata

The Album Songs

I made articles for each of the songs (except for ones with an article). If there is any problem with them, either change it or we can duke it out. Househippie

The Article itself

Is wikipedia copyrighted? because ive seen the exact same article in various internet pages. Just thought that might interest someone. On a side note, I tend to second the opinion that alot of things can't be taken literally on the album. Though it is very difficult to say which, especially as the movie/album doesnt follow standard narrative.

-an anonymous user of wikipedia

Not a demo

A minor nitpick but it really should be addressed in the interest of accuracy. What you discuss here as a "demo" of The Wall isn't really a demo per se. You should probably just refer to it as early recordings. Demos are usually quite polished and intended to present the work to those not involved in the creation process like record execs and music industry people. I've heard these "demos" and it sounds more like a working rough meant for internal use, i.e., for band members, Bob Ezrin, etc. It's much too rough to be called a demo. You should change reference to it to "early recordings" and explain it something like "What is commonly thought of as a demo of The Wall is most likely an early recording intended for internal use only... blah blah..." Or at least include a disclaimer like "Note: we use the term 'demo' here only because it is frequently called that although it likely isn't a demo... etc."

I wrote an exhaustive, four-part examination of these recordings for Spare Bricks and you can read my intro to it here:

http://sparebricks.fika.org/sbzine12/brickbybrick.html

I explain this in much more detail there. If you want to use any of the wording from my article to explain this here, feel free.

Covers

Aside from the well-known mentioned compilation, various artists have covered "The Wall". Best example I can find is [Luther Wright and the Wrongs] "Rebuild The Wall", but there are others - and other covers of single songs, like the Scissor Sisters' Comfortably Numb. Question is, do these bear mention?