Talk:Green Day

American Idiot interpretation

I find the interpretation inacurate, wanting to focus in the war when the story is not of a "boy going to war like the video". The story is of a boy who is growing up in a country really mess up, fell the sadness, get to the bad influences (Jimmy) and the drugs (Novacaine), find a girl (Shes a rebel and Whatsername) and end in na office doing paper work, and other stuff. I would edit the article myself, but i'm not very good in english :(

Collective Noun Crash Course

TheoClarke edited this page to change verbs describing the actions of the band from plural to singular. This, however, is unnecessary and (in circles outside the US) considered to be incorrect. It is the equivalent of changing the spelling of "colour" to "color" and vice versa. Stellis 09:18, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

I apologise for that. I reversed a change from what I thought was a correct usage to what I thought was an incorrect one. I did not know that this was another US-English/Commonwealth-English divide, although I would be surprised to find that I favour US-usage. Please put it down to error rather than nationalism. I remembered being taught (in England) that either plural or singular verbs could be used after collective nouns but that singular verbs were preferable where they applied to the subject as a single entity. For example, "The band is a rock group" and "The band were born in Greensboro" are both correct, whereas "The band was born in Greenboro" is incorrect (unless they were triplets). To my knowledge (and I can find nothing in the edit history that contradicts this), I changed just one word, once, so you may be confusing me with someone else who made other changes (although I could not find evidence of such changes on a quick look through). Strictly speaking, though, (and I had not considered this before) this article should be written in US-English since it concerns subject that is tightly coupled to the US. —Theo (Talk) 13:42, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

No harm done Stellis 23:43, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Green Day= PUNK

Green Day is not punk, nor punk rock. They are pop-punk, and I believe they have been quoted as saying that. To be punk, you need to be making a political statement, which is absent from all of their albums save American Idiot. But in the case of that, they sound more like a genuine rock band. --66.68.32.177 00:00, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• Does it mean The Ramones were not punk either? As far as I know, they were not political at all. But have always been regarded as one of the greatest names of punk. -200.195.88.155

I'd say The Ramones were punk rock, and punk and punk rock are different things. Also, you don't need to be making a political statement to be considered punk, there've been tons of punk bands with no political message. --Yoko-onassis 6 July 2005 17:20 (UTC)

The Ramones are seen as the fathers of pop-punk. Ask anyone who takes their punk seriously. So no, they weren't strictly Punk; they were pop-punk.Canaen 08:53, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

They are upbeat and have little to no talk on politics or current events. Real punk is like NOFX and Strike Anywhere. Green Day is not. I tried to put that they were pop-punk but it kept being reverted. Andre Wong 02:43, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

• The lyrics of a song do NOT change its genre. Ben Folds covered a song by Dr. Dre in his usual folk-y/pop style, does that make Ben Folds a rapper? Anyway genre is a very subjective matter. Stellis 00:16, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

I removed:

Green Day's music is similar to earlier punk bands:'

• Bad Religion
• NOFX
• The Offspring
• Operation Ivy
• Seven Seconds
• The Subhumans (UK)

Because it's POV (many would claim Green Day is utterly unlike NOFX or Op Ivy). See Talk:Fiona Apple for some other reasons. Tuf-Kat

I've re-added the list under a different title: 'Other earlier punk bands include:'. I agree it is POV saying that Green Day's music is similar to those in the list, but I think a list of related bands is always useful, especially for genre-driven, subcultured music styles like punk rock. --Zaim

Ah, sorry, I've just removed it again (same list as above but with the addition of Rancid). "Other earlier punk bands" is too vague. We have lists of other earlier punk bands elsewhere - see Punk rock. It would, however, be good to say what the band themselves have cited as influences, or what reputable critics have said about their music, and what it is similar to. It's okay to mention critic's opinions, but we're not allowed to say whetehr we agree with them... -- Oliver P. 18:10 1 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Ah, that was quick. Just to note that that was my first Wikipedia edit. And I see what you mean, thank you for pointing that out. Wiki and Wikipedia is very nice. --Zaim

Oh, well in that case, welcome to the project! And yes, it is nice, I have to agree with you there. :) -- Oliver P. 19:23 1 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Green Day is so not like NOFX, and I think that they are more POP-punk than punk. Generally, traditional punk is darker and less upbeat. Like Pennywise. BTW, Zaim, I love Wikipedia too, as it has helped me infinitely on school projects. Thanks to all! Andre Wong 01:38, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Come on, Green Day is so pop-punk. Their subject matter and their playing style is wayyy too upbeat.Andre Wong 00:14, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

This article comes across as being written by a fan. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but it doesn't exactly create a NPOV. I removed the incomplete sentence 'Hopefully they do.' as that doesn't exactly come across as Enyclopedic. I could say the same thing about many band pages on Wikipedia. Discolando 15:34, 23 Nov 2004 (CDT)

Upon further reflection, I removed the entire sentence, "Dirnt has been quoted on MTV as saying they may or may not find the master tapes soon." This is more of a temporary news blurb and doesn't add any value to the article. Discolando 18:16, 23 Nov 2004 (CDT)

Green Day is a pop-punk band; this is a well-established fact. If you want real Punk, I suggest you look at old Anti-Flag (first 3 albums or so), the Sex Pistols, Sham 69, the Dead Kennedys, or any number of other Punk bands. Although some of Green Day's earliest stuff (first album, no later) may be regarded as Punk, anything after is either pop-punk with rare exception (Good Riddance (Time of Your Life)), up until Warning or so. Then, it progresses into mainstream rock. This shit isn't a mystery, it's common sense for anyone who's been a punk for even a few months. Canaen 08:53, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Green Day In Disguise

• For the IP that edited the paragraph regarding GD's 2003 master tapes being related to "The Network": Sorry, but that sounds rather unlikely that a band could release an album using someone else's master tapes. The whole thing seemed kind of POV, so I excised it from the article. If you'd like to prove your case, feel free; I'm always open to being proven wrong. I think I might have proved myself wrong, and as such I'm going to *cough* attempt to hide the evidence. >_>[[User:Mo0|Mo0[talk]]] 22:38, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• Okay, let's try this again. I'm going to leave the article up the way it is, without reverting it. What I'll ask for is simply a confirmation of whether The Network is, in fact, Green Day. Once that happens, I will rewrite the things related to The Network, as what is there feels a bit POV-ed. Apologies for the massive stupidity on my part. [[User:Mo0|Mo0[talk]]] 22:45, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The members of the band Green Day are all members of the band The Network. There are two additional members in The Network that are not members of Green Day. See The Network for more/correct details. Stellis 23:44, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

"green day in hell"

User:67.67.132.59 wrote in the article "It has also been reported in print by the band members themselves that a principal at their school once made the comment that it would be a "green day" in hell before they amounted to anything." I cannot find any original citation of this although it is often repeated so I have made it anecdotal until we have verified the source. --Theo (Talk) 14:55, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Interesting. I'll have to keep an eye open and a Google tab available to hunt down that citation - if it really exists, that is. =) Wanderer 02:45, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

I'll confirm it, though I don't have a textual basis for it. Canaen 08:55, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Real punks should care less about whether a band is "punk"

Oh no, here's another "this band is/isn't punk argument. For one, Green Day is pop-punk, but pop-punk is a form of punk. While it's true they have deviated from this sound lately, they still are and will always be pop-punk. Green Day is pop-punk, as is NoFX, so whoever thinks NoFX is punk but Green Day isn't has a problem. And whoever mentioned the Ramones being the originators of punk but not political at all has a good point. A band doesn't have to be political to be punk, but many are anyway. Also, Green Day was political before American Idiot - listen to "Minority" and "Maria" for two good examples. With the exeption of War on Errorism, NoFX hasn't been all too political either. Their biggest hit was arguably "Bob", a song about as pointless as Green Day's "Longview".

Although it is true that NoFX is a pop-punk band, I contest your view of their lack of political content. Fat Mike himself says that they formed to make music about how much Reagan sucked. Canaen 08:58, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Well said. Sabrebattletank 06:11, May 2, 2005 (UTC)

I completely agree with your position, this dispute appeared on blink-182's article. It is kind of lame to have these sort of discussions, instead of really caring about making a much better wikipedia...--Greedyredbag 18:19, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Does it matter what the band is? They are who they are, they rock and make me have a good time. Call them what you will but why put lables on some thing that you don't really know. For all you know they could sing lullabies while in the shower or some thing like that and well that not punk or pop thats just lullabies in the shower. stars2005 may 19

Labels... puh! If we step back and put a bit of logic into this, we can correctly point out what kind of music they are. The most obvious indicator is how well-known they are in the musical mainstream, and since they've been causing a stir from the start with Dookie, it's safe to assume they're well-known. That factor immediately adds the word "pop" to whatever other genre they are. The other gender, then, breaks down into the musical conventions the band follows more closely - and although the sound is rather experimental, it all breaks down into basic chords on the guitar and a moving bass line (often at a fast pace). BAM - there's your punk label. Mainstream music (pop) + balanced chord structure and moving bass line (punk) = Green Day (pop-punk). And that's my only word on this subject. Wanderer 02:51, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

Really, we should be following NPOV, which means that anything controversial should be attributed to those who hold the opinions. Does anybody feel like citing some sources? It doesn't matter what I think, or what stars2005 thinks, or what Wanderer thinks; we should rather be citing print or web sources (how does allmusic classify them? how do punk purists classify them? add this to the article, with links and references as needed). Tuf-Kat 21:14, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)

Forget about the punk part for a moment. How in the world is Green Day a pop group? This comes across me as being the funniest thing I have ever heard. 64.231.154.102 14:25, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Sales levels

Does anyone know which records went gold, platinum, double platinum, etc.? Three singles were flagged with such qualificatiosn but this is misleading if we do not yupdate the entire list in one go. Please could knowledgable editors annotate the following list so that we can update the article in one consistent hit. Please italicise each title as you bring it up to date so that we know when low-selling titles have been processed.—Theo (Talk) 12:48, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Albums

1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours no cert (only 55,000 units)
Kerplunk! Platinum (though it's actually sold 680,000 units)
Dookie 10x Platinum (though it's 11 million sold)
Insomniac 2x Platinum (1.9 M sold)
Nimrod 2x Platinum (1.9 M sold)
Warning: Gold (1 M sold)
International Superhits! Gold (1.2 M sold)
Shenanigans no cert (183,000 sold)
American Idiot 3x Platinum (3.6 M sold)

EPs

Sweet Children
1,000 Hours
Slappy
American Idiot
Sessions@AOL - Green Day
Bowling Bowling Bowling Parking Parking

Singles

Welcome to Paradise
Basket Case
Longview
When I Come Around
Geek Stink Breath
Stuck With Me
Brain Stew/Jaded
Hitchin' a Ride
Good Riddance (Time of Your Life)
Redundant
Minority
Warning (2000)
Warning (2001)
American Idiot [Platinum]
Boulevard of Broken Dreams [Triple Platinum]
Holiday [Gold]
Wake Me Up When September Ends
(Hi, Im just wondering, does anyone know the next single after Wake me up when September Ends?)

Theo, I just added a few days ago what the US sales were since on Billboard.com they have a column called Ask Billboard where they sometimes release sales figures of album. I added them all to the regular album entries. Mind you, Dookie which is certified 10x platinum hasn't even sold 8 million copies yet, so you can see how the certifications can be misleading. Warning: has also sold 1 million units, but is actually still only certified gold (500,000 sales) as is International Superhits! which has actually sold 1.2 million. If you want to check out the certifications, go to www.riaa.com and go to the certification database and enter whichever artists' name you wish and you will get the info you desire.

Actually, I've added the certs next to each album in your list.

-PetSounds 28 June 2005 19:40 (UTC)

Great job! Now we need to decide where to put this information. How about in the last column along with chart positions?—Theo (Talk) 29 June 2005 06:07 (UTC)

I think the next single is "Jesus of Suburbia" ...and i thought the "wake me up..." video was long...

1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours

PetSounds, please stop changing 1990 to the incorrect year (1991) to 1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours. The album was released, copyrighted and published in 1990 (as printed on the CD and back cover, in-case you don't have the album). I can see why you changed it to the incorrect year but, seriously just leave it as 1990 because that's the correct year. I repeat, please stop changing it. -- Mike Garcia | talk 19:53, 28 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[1] shows the release date as April 19, 1991 not July 1, 1991. I would also like to continue to point out that dates on cases are copyright dates, not release dates unless specifically said it is a release date. Cburnett June 28, 2005 20:23 (UTC)

The user said July 1st, 1991. -- Mike Garcia | talk June 28, 2005 20:27 (UTC)

Neither date is in 1990. You are mistaking the copyright date for the release date. Cburnett June 28, 2005 20:45 (UTC)

The album says 1990, please see: [2]. -- Mike Garcia | talk June 28, 2005 20:49 (UTC)

link aint working and like Cburnett is saying you are mistaking copyright date with release date imo Boneyard 29 June 2005 10:30 (UTC)

The copyright date for the music on 1,039/SOSH in 1990 because the 39/Smooth vinyl LP was released that year. The actual CD, which compiled 39/Smooth, 1000 Hours EP and the Slappy EP was released in April of 1991 according to greendayauthority.com and other websites (sorry for not remembering off the top of my head.

Walking Contradiction

Hey! Walking Contradiction is a single from "Insomniac" that doesn't figure on this list... I didn't added it yet because I need the ranks for that song. If anyone has them, please post them on the article. Thanks, Greedy 2 July 2005 01:12 (UTC)

According to The Green Day Authority "Like Stuck With Me, Walking Contradiction didn't get a single, just a video." Some promo singles were sent to radio stations and journalists but it was never on general release. This is why it does not feature on the list.—Theo (Talk) 2 July 2005 17:30 (UTC)

Orderly fashion

May I complain? Well, this article is good and all, but it's lacking quite a bit of information on the singles. Even the newer singles have almost no information whatsoever. DrippingInk 4 July 2005 12:43 (UTC)

The information about the singles is largely dispersed to individual articles about each of them.—Theo (Talk) 4 July 2005 14:20 (UTC)

I am aware of that, but the main article does not contain much information on them, like it should at least have when they were released. Winnermario July 6, 2005 23:30 (UTC)

Good point. Go for it! —Theo (Talk) 7 July 2005 00:08 (UTC)

PetSounds' warning

PetSounds, please don't change 1990 to 1991 for 1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours again, you have the wrong information. Unconvinced? Please see the source again before changing/reverting: [3] and you better not change/revert it again this time. If you do it, I'm gonna be tracking you off, so don't have me do it. As I said on your talk page. -- Mike Garcia | talk 16:25, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

• Mike the link doesn't work, perhaps they have disabled direct linking. No-one is denying it says 1990 on the back of the album, but that isn't the release date. the wub "?/!" 9 July 2005 19:11 (UTC)

Yes it is the release date! Are you people insane? -- Mike Garcia | talk 9 July 2005 19:20 (UTC)

Mike, please calm down and refrain from comments like "Are you people insane?" which I think you know are inappropriate. Thanks for posting the link to the image with the 1990 date. If you say it is a release date as opposed to a copyright date, please site a source saying so. Folks who say it is some other date than 1990, you are asked to please site your sources as well. Gathering evidence and evaluating it is a better way to build articles than insults, threats, and revert wars. Thanks, -- Infrogmation 19:32, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm trying to calm down, okay. But, here are more sources: [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]. Also, PetSounds, I hope this is the last time you changed it to the wrong year (1991) before we both violate the 3RR again. -- Mike Garcia | talk 9 July 2005 19:40 (UTC)

OK thanks Mike. From some of those sources it looks like there may be more to this, but you never posted any of them before only links to pictures of the cover. On the other hand Amazon, allmusic, [11], [12] and [13] all point to 1991. I think the best idea would be to put a dispute template on 1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours and possibly make a RFC to try and get some more information. the wub "?/!" 20:08, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

OK have done this. Please direct any further discussion to Talk:1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours. -- the wub "?/!" 20:53, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

dropping Lookout! ablums

i read on CNN that Green Day was pulling there pre-1994 album off Lookout!

Terinjokes

Neo-Nazi Accusations

• Totally untrue, Green Day cannot be accused of this. it has now been deleted, can we make sure it doesn't come back please. 80.42.28.76 21:10, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

I agree that it appears to be rumor and nothing more, also it's unsourced info and very POV. This should stay deleted unless it can be backed up and sourced, that is to stay that this should stay deleted since there's no way to source and back up these claims with fact. Jtkiefer ^{T | @ | C} ----- 04:38, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

• Despite wether or not it is true, I would prefer that the article remain on their page, because I think it is fair to allow the reader to decide wether or not it is true. It also does not accuse them, it informs that they have been accused. I will do my best to keep the article running, because I believe it is fair and unbiased.

>User:Kerrysfrench

Here's my problems with it, notable parts bolded. Jtkiefer ^{T | @ | C} ----- 04:48, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

Green Day has been accused of Neo Nazism multiple times, however no solid proof can be found. The evidence for these accusations lie in song lyrics such as Boulevard of Broken Dreams. It is believed the lyrics are actually about Adolf Hitler walking alone through the streets of a destroyed Polish city with a large Jewish population. The song American Idiot also provokes an anti-American message.

- - The Song "When I Come Around" can also be interpreted as Hitler taunting fearful Jews to not cry, becuase he will soon arrive to kill them. In the song "Reject"(Nimrod) the lyrics contain the words,"To Hell and back to Hell again, you're not my type, your not my type(refering to Jews), I do what I want and you do what your told". "Nice Guys Finish Last" contains the lyrics "Nice guys finish last, your running out of gas", which refers to a Holocaust victim holding on to their last breath of air, while being gassed. - - "Having a blast" is a narrative in which the author states "I won't listen to anyone's last words", reffering to Hitler's final moments.another part of the song says"There's nothind left for you to say. Soon you'll be dead anyway," which can be seen as Hitler speaking to his next victims. With these hidden song meanings, one can easily arrive at the conclusion that the band espouses Adolf Hitler, and his murderous deeds, however it is up to you to decide what is really true.

This is entirely unsourced and the sections I have bolded show that these sections are inferences and opinions which are unencyclopedic and POV, now if there was any way to back this up then this could be formatted as such to include fact, however since this is unbacked up I think that this should stay out. I am also annoyed that you appear to be in the mindset that you will do what you want even if consensus and wikipedia guidelines disagree with what you want. "I will do my best to keep the article running, because I believe it is fair and unbiased.". Jtkiefer ^{T | @ | C} ----- 04:48, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

I concur with Jtkiefer. —Theo (Talk) 08:15, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Me too, and I will continue to remove it unless it is backed up with sources. the wub "?/!" 10:50, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

That's the funniest thing I've read in a while. I especially like the "analyses" of those songs. User:moondust9358

This is such BS that Green Day is being accused of being Neo-Nazis. In Holiday they are acusing Bush of being Neo Nazi "Zeig Heil to the president gasman" No one has any proof of this. HOLIDAY IS NOT ANTI-AMERICAN, IT IS ANTI-WAR!

it is my opinion that you would have to be completely insane to read that much into a Green Day song. you could interpret it any way you want, if you look at it hard enough, but that doesn't mean that its true. by these standards, any song ever written could be construed as neo-nazi. i'm glad it was removed.--Alhutch 19:31, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

i agree whple heartedly with Alhuttuch. anything can be considered "neonazi" if you did deep enouth. the nightmare befor christmass can be contorted because jack wears a suite that looks like a ss uniform. OH GOD!!!!!!!! come on now are the history students who quote nazis ne themselvs? what about the anarchist movemant of the 80's? are they nazis? come on!!! you arre a nazi!! they are expressing themselvs which are protected by the 1st addment! JEW!am i one ? no!!jason aka furby c/o 2007

American Idol vs. American Idiot

Hi there. Firstly, I would like to thank-you all for your contributions. At present though I just want to clear up some misunderstanding. For those obviously-not-so-die-hard fans of Green Day please be advised that American Idiot is the name of their current album, whereas American Idol is, of course, the popular reality show. With that said, I'm not sure what some editors mean by "American Idol" sessions. I think at should have read "American Idiot" sessions, but whoever keeps changing this to "American Idol", please participate in this discussion with some citation. And happy Monday. ;) 18:52 August 29, 2005 drdr1989

Happy Mondays to you too :) the wub "?/!" 21:10, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Given the recent vandalism that happened to this entry in the wake of their VMA victory, I think the Idiot/Idol switch was part of that vandalism. Cjmarsicano 05:33, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Recent link removed - Drumscore

Was about to put it back on. Will do so if owner can explain how to make the download links work without having a "corrupted file" icon appear with each link. Drdr1989 17:07, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

I guess it was just put back on. Rather than nitpick and remove it (hint, hint to someone) I'll just kindly direct them hopefully to this page.  ;=) Drdr1989 17:11, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Rise in popularity?

I'd like to know where this header came from in the article: Rise in popularity. This seems to be placed after the release of Dookie, and judging by this article, Insomniac and its follow-ups to Warning: were not as successful as the debut major label album. So how does this title fit with the article? If anything, the group had a "dip in popularity". Winnermario 18:35, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

Name

An explanation of the name was added to the intro - I removed it, because the explanation already exists lower down. It may be that it would be better in the intro, but in that case it should be removed from the other location. - DavidWBrooks 12:49, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

selling out

Green day sold out. I used to like them a lot, but they're disgusting now. why do they have to be so damn visible. and why do they have to believe that they're so damn important. Most people don't care what entertainers think about politics. and i hate the way they dress too.--Alhutch 06:25, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm sure that brings them great sorrow.

Green Day did not sell out. Have you listened to their song Minority? It is about how they don't care what others think or thay others think they sold out. It was the first time when people believed that they had sold out. So they wronte that song to show that they haven't sold out at all. And they talk about politics because they want to show everyone what THEY think on the subject. They have a right to freedom of speech.

• emma*

Folks, this isn't a fan page. There are lots of places on the web to debate the merits and drawbacks of Green Day; don't fill up wikipedia's servers with that, please.

Yellow submarine?

"Future Plans

According to NME Shooting of an American Idiot: The Motion Picture movie is planned to start in 2006. In an interview with Billboard, Armstrong revealed that the group are still considering turning the punk rock opera into a film, in much the same spirit as the Beatles' "Yellow Submarine." Green Day are debating whether, after the end of their Stateside jaunt, they will play stadium shows in Australia and South America."

Is there any real reason that "Yellow Submarine"'s being listed here? It's a song which was turned into a film because they were contracted for another film. Surely The Wall/Tommy/Quadrophenia would be better examples, since they were albums describing a narrative of sorts which was turned into a film because the band wanted it, rather than being forced into it, which is more analogous to the situation.

Whether or not either film was a contractual obligation doesn't enter into it as far as comparisons of how they want the finished product to be. I see your point about the Wall/Tommy/Quad comparison though... I hope it's not anything like Tommy though - the soundtrack was great but the movie sucked. Cjmarsicano 15:12, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Emo?

Since when did Green Day get classified as emo? Was this some sort of vandalism or did I miss something? Cjmarsicano 02:09, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Should we lock this article?

Considering that this article is vandalized almost daily by people looking to label the band as anti-American (amongst other ephitets), might I propose locking this article for the time being, similar to what had to be done with the Bob Dylan article? Seeing what has been done to the article every day, much of it not real updates, has been rather disgusting. Cjmarsicano 00:29, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary, the vandalism isn't often or significant enough to cause huge probles and vandals can easily be reverted so locking this article would probably do more harm than good. Jtkiefer ^{T | @ | C} ----- 01:17, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. Compared to, say, articles concerning the Middle East, or major American political candidates, this is a walk in the reasonable-discourse park! - DavidWBrooks 01:50, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Heart Like A Hand Grenade

"...and Green Day's DVD Documentary "Heart Like A Hand Grenade", has spoken of various projects recorded at Studio 880..."

Has anyone actually seen this documentary? Maybe I'm missing something here, but there's almost no reference to it on the internet, other than cloned versions of this article. Amazon has never heard of it either. Does anyone have any solid references to back this up?...Or even back up that there was a Green Day DVD, because - other than 'bullet in a bible' - this is the first I've ever heard of anything like it. --Joewithajay 19:29, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Only parts of this documentary have been made public at this point. Reprise Records released a half-hour cut to Fuse and MTV earlier this year. The documentary was filmed over the entire album-recording process by John Roecker and is still in the editing phase. I was told this summer by a producer close to the band that it had been cut down to a 3-hour version at that point. --AHSports 15:15, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

punk rock vs punk pop, vs pop

I don't know why there's become this huge issue with the classification of Green Day, it is clearly noted on the edit page and in the talk archives that the consensus is that Green Day is punk rock. Jtkiefer ^{T | @ | C} ----- 01:44, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

It is actually not clear; I see just as many if not more people argue in favor of the punk-pop genre to classify this group. To compromise, I included both terms on the most recent edit since either way, they are both. As for the consensus bit in the article, I think it was referring to the pop-punk genre - that is how I first saw it. Now, agruements for the not-so-pop punk rock classification arise from the ideology that this genre was thought to have surfaced in the late 1990's - after Green Day first broke into the mainstream. However, they have virtually blended into the pop genre so much as of recent that they are having more success in that genre than "traditional" pop punk groups such as Blink-182 ever had. Drdr1989 02:37, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree that it's close to Blink-182 in terms of being po-punk type but Green Day seems to be more hardcore rock, as shown by many of their songs. Jtkiefer ^{T | @ | C} ----- 03:18, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Okay Punk Rock/Pop-Punk works in terms of the infobox and the intro paragraph, and I've changed it as such. How should it referred to after that though?