Jump to content

Talk:Weißenburg in Bayern/Archive 1

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
< Talk:Weißenburg in Bayern

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Brego (talk | contribs) at 21:42, 24 October 2005 (→Requested move (as of 23-Oct-05)). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

This template must be substituted. Replace {{Requested move ...}} with {{subst:Requested move ...}}.

Requested move (as of 23-Oct-05)

The correct name of the town in Weißenburg in Bayern, not Weissenburg, Bavaria or Weissenburg in Bayern. See also Debate on Talk:Weißenburg-Gunzenhausen. Gryffindor 00:01, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Please place your new vote here off the 23 October 2005 to move article to Weißenburg in Bayern. The votes at the bottom are from another vote.

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~~~~
Thank you Haukur :-)) Gryffindor 22:57, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
The previous vote was on whether to move the article to "Weissenburg, Bavaria", which was based on the proposer's admitted misunderstanding of the current article name. Silverhelm 06:10, 24 October 2005 (UTC).

The spelling with ß is the correct one, I can't move it due to 2-line edit history. Markussep 11:52, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

It was suggested that this article be renamed to Weißenburg in Bayern. The vote is shown below:

  • Oppose move. Weissenburg is more common in English, and in general the English Wikipedia avoids the ß character in article titles. Jonathunder 02:35, 2005 September 7 (UTC)
About avoiding ß in titles, that may have been so before the latest software update, but now it's no problem. See for instance the district around Weißenburg (Weißenburg-Gunzenhausen), or the mountain Großglockner. Maybe "Weissenburg" is more common in English than "Weißenburg" (for instance in reference to Wissembourg or Alba Iulia, or Weissenburg in Switzerland), but I'm pretty sure "Weißenburg in Bayern" is more common than "Weissenburg in Bayern". Markussep 07:42, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. -- Joolz 11:23, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Requested move

Should use the English spelling of "Bavaria" and the standard "town, state" format. From the entry on the WP:RM page. Mark 14:45, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~~~~
  • Support. Mark 14:45, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose, the name of the town is "Weißenburg in Bayern"; "in Bayern" is as much a part of the name as "-on-Sea" is a part of the name "Southend-on-Sea". But it should be changed to Weißenburg in Bayern with the ß. --Angr/tɔk tə mi 19:55, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose, for exactly the same reason as Angr and explicitly also support the move to Weißenburg in Bayern, which should be obvious from my contribution to the article Edinborgarstefan 21:04, 11 October 2005 (UTC) -- updated Edinborgarstefan 14:52, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose, this is the German preposition "in" rather than its English counterpart. I also support a move to Weißenburg in Bayern. - Haukur Þorgeirsson 21:07, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose, supporting move to Weißenburg in Bayern. Tupsharru 16:02, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. We should be reluctant to force the "city, state" convention on places where local usage offers us an acceptable (and natural) alternative. That "comma convention" doesn't seem to prevail among the German articles: the various "towns in Germany cats" are a mess of "City, Land", "City (Land)", "City (Germany)" and even (shudder) "City, Germany", No opinion on ß vs. ss in this specific instance: that should be set by global policy consensus elsewhere, not on a case-by-case basis. –Hajor 22:40, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. As noted by others, the correct full name of this city is "Weißenburg in Bayern", and the article should be moved to that. Silverhelm 22:55, 12 October 2005 (UTC).
  • Oppose. This is not a case of a disambiguated placename: it is not simply the Weißenburg that is found in Bavaria, but rather its name is Weißenburg in Bayern. To change it to "Weissenburg, Bavaria" would be cultural imperialism of the worst kind. Note that Stratford-upon-Avon is called "Stratford-upon-Avon" in French [1], German [2] and other wikis, and not Stratford-sur-Avon, Stratford-an-der-Avon (or worse, Straßenfurt-an-der-Avon) or anything stupid like that. --Stemonitis 07:17, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
    • I didn't realise this when I made the move request, thankyou for enlightening me. There was no cultural imperialism meant in the slightest, it is just a misunderstanding. I still oppose any use of ß in the name though. Mark 07:49, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
  • weak support. We say Moskau in german, I do not think this is imperalism. English people say Moscow. I don't think this is imperalism. It is adoption. Why do the ß-supporters do not use chinese symbols for Beijing? Maybe because this is english WP? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 19:03, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose, because it is the correct way of writing for this german city. Because we have this strange letter ß ("Rüssel-s") in our language let it in the lemma and make a redirect. --Markus Schweiss 17:54, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose agree with Markus, Weißenburg in Bayern. Darkone 01:20, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Discussion

Add any additional comments

Descision

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. Ryan Norton T | @ | C 07:16, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Expansion of article

I have expanded the article based on the German version and on a tourist history booklet I brought home with me from my trip there. It's a nice city and if it is to become a pawn in an argument about spelling I think it deserves more than a three-line article. It would also be nice to include the pictures from the German version. Edinborgarstefan 09:12, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Good job! I added the picture of the city hall. We should probably add the others as well. - Haukur Þorgeirsson 23:50, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

The current edit war

I reverted the anon's edits because he is making weird changes like inserting   here and there and because I feel he should discuss it on the talk page before changing the spelling of the principal author - who is now User:Edinborgarstefan.

He does, of course, have a point that while the article is located at the 'ss' spelling it would be most natural to use that spelling throughout. See the ongoing edit war at Ubeda for more thoughts on this.

Currently I read three votes on this talk page for moving the article to the native spelling (WP:RM suggests we use approval voting). - Haukur Þorgeirsson 13:53, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

No, currently there are only three votes opposing move to Weissenburg, Bavaria. Mark 13:58, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
And all of them say it should be at Weißenburg in Bayern so following the principles of approval voting the statement of Haukur is correct. Edinborgarstefan 14:52, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
Lets just concentrate on one vote at a time. Mark 05:13, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Clarification of current move debate

No-one is actually supporting a move to "Weissenburg, Bavaria" anymore. That was an innocent misunderstanding. The question now is whether we should move it to Weißenburg in Bayern in accordance with the article title Weißenburg-Gunzenhausen. - Haukur Þorgeirsson 19:13, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Weißenburg_in_Bayern/Archive_1&oldid=26383527"