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Template:CanEd Hey I was wondering if anyone can add pictures of the Arts, SITE and Laws buildings. I have photos but have no idea how to. Not very good with this kind of stuff

You need to create for your self a login; then you will be able to upload pictures. Duomillia 03:31, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone please add more pictures of the Campus and the school's coat of arms. Thank you.

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Dispute

I have listed this article on Wikipedia:Third opinion due to the current dispute between Anakinskywalker and Nameneko.

Nameneko disputes over the use of "premier" and "world-renowned" to describe the university.

While Anakinskywalker says the use of "premier" is justifiable and “world-renowned" refers to the Faculties of Medicine, Science, law itself and their research, professors, and not the institution as a whole.

Support

I have notified Nameneko, Spinboy, 69.198.153.161 and have provided reliable sources that prove the reverts were not biased. The term "premier" have been listed on a Government and Educational (.edu) websites and other reliable sources, and the term "world-renowned" refers to the Faculties itself and their research, NOT the institution as a whole, as noted byNameneko. I believe Nameneko claims are more about his biased views, and, through his actions is sabotaging this page. He has still provided No substantial proof to his claims, which I on the other hand have with relevant sources.

I challenged Nameneko to prove these sources are not reliable as he claims, but, he has just stated that the sources are not reliable because the sources are Canadian. Also, I have posted a European source.

Nameneko, you can't just say these sources are not reliable with out any substantial and relevant proof. Which I have at least provided. I have read through these sources and the information given is reliable. It states facts rather than opinion, which could lead to bias. I do not agree with your statement "The current proof is severely insufficient." That is an excessive exaggeration. I have provided 9 sources that includes a Government website and a Educational(.edu) wedsite. I'm not going to list every source on the interent, Nameneko.

Anakinskywalker

Proof

Government website - Profile

"Strategically located in the heart of Canada's national capital, the University of Ottawa is the most important bilingual educational institution in North America and a world leader in research."

"the University is engaged on the international scene in all key sectors."

"The students of the Faculty of Medicine were recently ranked the best in Canada and the Faculty itself is affiliated with several world-class research facilities "

http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/app/ccc/search/navigate.do?language=eng&portal=1&estblmntNo=234567031121&profile=completeProfile

Unviersity of Ottawa - Faculty of Science

"Research at the Faculty of Science has a world class reputation"

http://www.science.uottawa.ca/eng/history.html

"The Faculty of Science, a true centre of excellence that has earned recognition across Canada and abroad for its prowess in the classrooms and the laboratories. This prowess is the handiwork of more than 100 internationally renowned professors, more than 300 graduate students, dozens of postdoctoral researchers and visiting academics from around the world."

http://www.science.uottawa.ca/welcome.html

Unviersity of Ottawa - Faculty of Medicine

"A Faculty that has become a strong and vibrant intellectual force in Canadian and international medicine. Our professors and researchers are among the very best; many of them have won national and international awards for their teaching, their insights, and their research breakthroughs"

http://www.medicine.uottawa.ca/eng/welcome.html

Canadian Universities and Colleges - information on Canadian Universities and Colleges

"Research in medicine and science is what the University is world renowned for"

http://www.canadian-universities.net/Universities/University-of-Ottawa.html

School Finder - Provides extensive information on 1,700 Universities/Colleges/Career Colleges in Canada

"Areas of Expertise - The University of Ottawa offers programs in the areas of management, the arts and humanities, pure, applied, and health sciences, as well as in the professional fields of education, medicine, and law."

"North America's premier bilingual university, the University of Ottawa is a major player in the cultural and economic development of the Canadian national capital region."

http://www.schoolfinder.com/schools/profile.asp?SchoolCode=uotta08&ProfileType=University&URL=keywordresults

Pfizer Canada - World’s largest Pharmaceutical company

"The University of Ottawa Heart Institute is a global leader in the fight against heart disease and Canada's only complete cardiac center, encompassing prevention, diagnosis, treatment, rehabilitation, research and education."

http://www.pfizer.ca/english/newsroom/press%20releases/default.asp?s=1&year=2003&releaseID=108

International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions

" "Ottawa U", as it is known locally, specializes in law and medicine."

http://www.ifla.org/udt/dc8/ottawa.htm

Heart Health - Health Unit

"University of Ottawa: An internationally-renowned institution for higher learning"

http://www.healthunit.org/heart/default.htm

Collegium Civitas - Private University in Warsaw, Poland

"Collegium Civitas students have been invited for a period of study at what is regarded as being one of the foremost Canadian universities."

"The University of Ottawa: it is North America's premier bilingual university and one of the most cosmopolitan in Canada"

http://www.collegium.edu.pl/english/international/partner.php

Anakinskywalker

Nameneko, Again, please refrain from adding your personal comments in my section. That is meant for your section on oppose, not for support.

After I shown Nameneko proof with credible sources, he still professes to the sources to be otherwise, which leads to the impression that he has some biased views. Just because some of it comes from Canadians sources does make it biased.

From these statements Nameneko have made, he is then spreading bias views by saying these Canadian sources are biased solely on the fact they come from Canada, even though I have also provided a source from Europe. Therefore Nameneko, you are contradicting yourself and give off the impression of being a hypocrite. Furthermore Nameneko, please do not twist the truth. I wrote the faculties of Medicine, Science, and Law are world-renowned for their research, professors, etc., not the University itself.

Nameneko, you asked for credible sources, which I have supplied, which you then say that the sources are biased and false, when I have proven that they are factual, and that you are spreading your own personal bias to advance your baseless accusations. For you to say these sources are false, again, you are then twisting the truth and I'm calling you on that.

Please provide proof that the information by the Government, Educational Sites (.edu) and other sources are spreading false information. Do not simple reply that “one comes from a Canadian directory and the other from a school directory” and “school directories are worded as such to place schools in as favourable of a light as possible”. As I have said, that reflects your own personal bias about sources from Canada. The sources provided are fair and balanced and do not show a favourable position as you contemplate. All 9 sources are consistent with facts that can be also found on the University of Ottawa website, if you search the entire site thoroughly. I have provided even a GOVERNMENT website and one from a European University. If you do not provide reliable, substantial, and relevant proof (sources) to disclaim the evidence given, then the page will remain the way it is.

Oppose

I oppose the use of these two words as biased views. Though it is possible that these may be verifiable, currently, they are not. Though Anakinskywalker has provided "sources", one comes from a Canadian directory and the other from a school directory, neither of which link to a source of any sort. I stated that a possible source for "premier" would be the inclusion of a list or comparison of North American universities that ranks the University of Ottawa as the top, bilingual university. I also believe that "world-renowned" could be supported by listing an article by a foreign media or a study or reference from a credible source. Even then, "world-renowned" may not be the right wording. I would prefer the use of "internationally recognized" or something similar if a source is found. I am not against the use of these words, but I feel that without proper listing of a credible source, they are therefore biased and are inappropriate for this article.

-Nameneko 08:14, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, I have not edited your comments on my talk page in any way. If you view the page history, you can see that you are the only person who has edited the page since October 20th. I must ask you to refrain from making baseless accusations and to keep this discussion as civil as possible.

Regarding the proof: There is no way to argue against this with proof. I am not asking for the degration of the University of Ottawa's description; I am merely asking for it to be in a neutral point of view. References from school directories are worded as such to place schools in as favourable of a light as possible. I have already given my opinion on what should qualify as a credible source.

-Nameneko 08:30, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid I must ask, once more, to refrain from making personal attacks. I am not about bias or sabotage, like you claim, but simply want a neutral point of view regarding this article. I have no proof for my opinion but feel that the current proof is severely insufficient. I am perfectly willing to change my opinion on the subject given solid proof for the inclusion of these words. -Nameneko 08:45, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The reason I oppose these sites as credible sources is because they are written in order to cast the subject in a favourable light. They give no further evidence in possible research or activities that have gained international notice or any comparison with other universities in terms of being the "premier bilingual university". Also, please stop moving comments I have made, as they only make sense in context. -Nameneko 08:57, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Negotiations

I am going to oppose because the material added violates Wikipedia's NPOV policy. While links themselves don't have to be neutral, Wikipedia isn't a links repository. U of O may be a great school for all those things mentioned, but we're not a propaganda machine, we're an encyclopedia. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy No ads on Wikipedia. 16:27, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Spinboy, I have not violated anything, secondly, these links are meant as sources for proof of information to verify the accuracy, as asked. The facts are given, while the links are sourced, if you have ever been you to university and written essays, you need to back up everything. This is in the TALK page, not the actual article, which is in dispute. I have seen you before also sabotage this page when I added the research institutions etc, and you just wiped it all out for no good reason, and has seen your history of reverting and deleting people’s hard work because “you don’t agree with it”. Please comply with all wikipedia rules, as they are meant for everyone and not just to benefit one’s personal biases. Their was no material added, only removed, which means that I'm not the one that violated Wikipedia's NPOV policy. The information provided should be factual and not opinionated, as it was before the dispute. Your right about one thing Wikipedia is a encyclopedia and not a propaganda machine, so only leave in that facts that can be proved, which has been provided with Gov't, .ORG, .EDU, and the University itself sources with a from a FACTUAL point of view, which encyclopedias are.

Anakinskywalker

Just because it was there before doesn't mean it doesn't violate NPOV, it simply means that it got under the radar. Just because you have links to back up your claim doesn't mean it belongs there. Consider if it's encyclopedic, and if anyone from a place besides U of O would actually care to know about that one little point. The stuff that was removed is really inconsquental to the article itself. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy No ads on Wikipedia. 17:25, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly disagree. It has been there for a while now and people have made minor changes only. It was accepted. Then Nameneko and you decide to outright strip content with gives the article more value and factual information on some of the accomplishments and position of the University of Ottawa in Canada. Go to McGill, Toronto, Queens, etc., and see their pages. In comparison of the structure and the information, they all have a relative theme. This page is to add and change for improvements, not to strip the qualities and recognition a university has earned. I believe the information does belong in the article because is it has relevance and shows some of the universities strong points, rather than to delete it or be kept out for "inconsequential" reasoning.

Anakinskywalker

Consensus changes. This isn't the Anakinskywalker encyclopedia. Just because it once was accepted doesn't mean it always will be. Please sign your posts with four (~~~~) tildes, so it produces your name and the date. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy No ads on Wikipedia. 18:00, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

True, but 2 biased views and sabotage to a page is not a Consensus change. This isn't the Spinboy and Nameneko page either, so please refrain from Personal Attacks. I'm adding quality and facts to the page supported with wide views in the non-bias and neutral information in the sources provided, as it is widely accepted.

Secondly, the "dispute between Anakinskywalker and Nameneko over the use of "premier" and "world-renowned" to describe the university" are in question, so please stick to the subject at hand. I have provided enough proof and reliable information to support my stance.

Please explain in detail why the information above does not relate to the dispute. Don't just simply say I oppose with irrelevant issues. Please explain and show proof with factual sources that support your claim for why the use of "premier" and "world-renowned" to describe the university" doesn't not apply to the University of Ottawa.

Remember the term "world-renowned" refers to the Faculties itself and their research, NOT the institution as a whole, as noted by Nameneko. Check the article for reference.

You have to show reasoning with thought to prove something; don't just write anything that just "pops up" in your head.

-Anakinskywalker 14:22, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Spinboy, do not force personal attacks by bias and by vandalizing the article while it is in dispute. This shows in fact that you are bias and are vandalizing this page. This is childish and proves your ignorance.

Please explain and show proof with factual sources that support your claim for why the use of "premier" to describe the university and "world-renowned" to the Faculties of Medicine, Science, law itself and their research, professors, and not the institution as a whole, doesn't apply.

Please explain and do not vandalize the page further. You are contradicting your own statements buy force, which is against Wikipedia rules. Please consult the handbook.

-Anakinskywalker 14:55, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I already pointed you to the policy at NPOV. And please revert again after I revert your edits so I can report you for violating 3RR. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy No ads on Wikipedia. 19:50, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Spinboy Negations are in progress, vandalism is not tolerated. Please refrain from spreading Biased views. If you look at the history section, you have violated 3RR yourself. We are presently in Negations, you can take part if you are mature enough, and have valid, unbiased views, but if you continue to vandalism the page, your say will not count for anything.

-Anakinskywalker 16:08, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Okay I agree for the "world renowed". How about for the "premier" we put " one of the premier" in north america or Canada's "premier" instead, -Anakinskywalker 19:31, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Spinboy, do not vandalize the Talk section and delete out comments. Please stop this at once and be productive here. I'm going to report you the next time. You can report me if you want for the reverts, you have been vandalizing the Article while it is in dispute and also the Talk page as well. Therefore, according with the rules of Wikipedia, this is an exception.

-Anakinskywalker 17:20, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

STOP ATTACKING ME! --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy No ads on Wikipedia. 21:31, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Spinboy, First of all, I haven't attacked you at all. You are constantly HARASSING me as shown in your behavior by VADALIZING this ARTICLE, which is in DISPUTE, and by VADALIZING the TALK PAGE in the NEGOTIATION section. You obviously do not want to help this page so please stay off it and I will be reporting you if you do not leave me alone or stop the VADALIZING. All the proof is in the history sections which they will see what your are doing. There are people here who want to settle this, and we are getting close to resolving it. Stop at once to save your integrity.

-Anakinskywalker 17:52, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If "world-renowned" refers to the reasearch done, please mention what specific research has been done that has gained international notoriety. Also, as a note to both sides, do not make accusations and personal attacks. Repeatedly mentioning "vandalizing", "sabotage", and "bias" is inappropriate as it is personal opinion of actions being taken. Let's try to keep this discussion as civil as possible. Thank you. -Nameneko 21:52, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

-Nameneko, I have listed relevant sources. No more sources or information are needed on my part. That is over kill. Search the web yourself. I have provided enough proof, and since you and Spinboy are disputing the page, you must then show substantial proof. But neither of you are wiling to do anything but dispute without showing evidence or proving otherwise. Therefore, if you can’t be productive and show anything at all and just dispute it, then you will not be considered in the process of resolving this issue.

And yes, "vandalizing" and "sabotage" include deleting information from Talk pages and the Article itself, while its in dispute. Also using vulgar language is not acceptable at all.

I am also re-inserting the unacceptable comment you made at me for the Admins to see and review. I have every right too. The following listed below was said by Spinboy

":I didn't vandalize anything, I was enforcing wikipedia policy at WP:NPA. YOU are being an asshole, and I would appreciate it if you would stop. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy No ads on Wikipedia. 21:54, 24 October 2005 (UTC)"[reply]

-Anakinskywalker 18:25, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I recently checked your request for mediation and noticed your mention of having a dialogue with User:Joshuapaquin. It would have been very helpful if you had mentioned that here. I am definately for the use of "largest" over "premier" and I will agree with you on that. -Nameneko 00:49, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Request for comment

I put in an RfC in regards to Anakinskywalker. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy No ads on Wikipedia. 00:44, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed resolution

OK! Let's try to cut through the above and make this a clean fix. On my talk page, Anakinskywalker and I have discussed the wording and seem to be pretty much in accord that, while "world reknowned" is something that can be backed up with citations, the word "premier" is probably not the best for this situation. So instead Anakinskywalker has cordially suggested that UofO be described as the "largest bilingual university in North America". Sounds pretty concrete to me. Comments? -Joshuapaquin 00:58, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Like I said earlier, I wholeheartedly agree with the use of "largest" in the place of "premier". I would allow the use of "world-renowned", but the thing is that I think that concrete sources are needed to use it. I suggested perhaps an article or certification of some sort that the studies/research of the university is known outside of Canada. Even then, I would prefer "internationally recognized" or something similar. Thanks for your help in this process; it was really starting to get ugly. -Nameneko 01:01, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree with it being "world renowned." I'm okay with "largest bilingual university in North Amereica," but I think we need to define that bilingualism. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy No ads on Wikipedia. 01:02, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The article states earlier that it teaches in both English and French, so I don't think clarification is really necessary. Is it alright to change that portion now? -Nameneko 01:07, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine with me. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy No ads on Wikipedia. 01:13, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed "premier" to "largest". Now all that needs solving is "world-renowned". -Nameneko 23:01, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]