Talk:Golden Sun (video game)

Instead of merging why doesn't someone just add links from the Golden Sun page? Its a lot easier. -69.49.156.245

I guess so, great work on all of the Golden Sun pages by the way ^_^ You should create a Wikipedia account. AlexJohnc3 17:49, 13 July 2005 (EST)

Thank you very much. I must note that the Golden Sun page was made by one person and the linked articles by another so they're not all by the same person.

Wikipedia articles are *not* FAQs...this needs to be a description of the game, not every single thing that occurs in it.

Ah, but is an encylopedia not a book that tells about all the details of a subject? Who will it hurt to have some details in it? Example: STAR WARS has a whole bunch of stuff in here.

I think that the section on the storyline is fine, but the "Places" section should either be removed completely or have content added to it (the link to "Vale" doesn't even work), the same problem (minus the faulty link) applies to the "Important Terms", and lastly, the section on the link feature is too long. If nobody else changes the article, I will work on it, but as for today, it's too late and I am too tired! ;) --Thecosmos 03:46, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah well I was working on that but I had to go. Takes a while to put together the article.

I think this thing is getting too big. Do we really need bios of KRADEN and DORA?! Leave out the NPCs and Places, this isn't the place for that. All that's needed is a brief explanation of the game.

Yeah, I've been looking over all these character articles and some really aren't neccessary. Thunderbrand 03:56, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Do we even need a characters section? I think it's explained well in the story, see below. But if you want to combine both GS games, I'm going to say no to that. They're two seperate titles, and it's much easier to give links. HereToHelp 12:44, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

cleanup

This article is a mess, its way too big and unorganised. Maybe it ought to be split into separate articles, one for each game? Masken 13:18, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing that. Thunderbrand 19:21, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

I moved the Lost Age info to a separate article but there are still leftovers (the text referring to "the series" instead of "the game" etc). Maybe it would be better to put all the general info about the series and the first game in separate articles, like what's been done with Final Fantasy and Mega Man? Masken 22:23, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not really. This series only has 2 games. I don't see a need for a whole article on it quite yet. However, all the NPC's should be merged into one article, like Saturos, Menardi, etc, into an article called List of characters in Golden Sun or something similar. Thunderbrand 23:48, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

No one said anything, so I went ahead and merged all of them into one article. It seemed incredibly silly to keep all those other articles, which all of them had nearly the exact same section in each (the "Biography" section), so all of them would be stubs and probably stay that way. Thunderbrand 22:35, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Does this page still need the "cleaned up" status? It seems well done IMO. -AlexJohnc3 06:25, 29 September 2005 (EST)

Okay then... well I'm going to remove the "needs to be cleaned up" status because no one has replied. -AlexJohnc3 16:49, 09 October 2005 (EST)

The Story

Okay, I just did a MASSIVE rewrite of "The Story" section. It was:

The protagonist, whose role the player assumes, is a Venus Adept named Isaac who goes on a quest to stop Saturos and Menardi, the villains, from lighting the 4 lighthouses: Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Mercury. If the lighthouses are lit, then he is told his world will be in great danger.

The first character to join Isaac's party is Garet, a Mars Adept and Isaac's childhood friend, who comes from the same village. Next to join is a Jupiter Adept named Ivan from the city of Kalay, and later a Mercury Adept named Mia, who is the guardian of the Mercury Lighthouse. The group of four travel together through many adventures and side quests that make up the game, before arriving towards the end of the game at Venus Lighthouse, where they have a fierce battle with Saturos and Menardi. This ends in the Venus Lighthouse being lit, and Saturos and Menardi being defeated. However, the storyline is left open, to leave way for the sequel.

Their antagonists are the aforementioned Saturos and Menardi, Adepts from the Mars tribe in the north, together with Alex, a member of the Mercury clan, and Felix, a Venus Adept and the brother of Jenna, a childhood friend of Isaac and Garet.

It is now:

The game begins with a playable prologue set three years before the main game begins, on a stormy night in the village Vale. Vale is home of the Adepts and built next to Mt. Aleph (named so after the first letter of many Semetic alphabets). Mt. Aleph houses the Sol Sanctum, the resting place of the Elemental Stars. These gems are the essence and quintessence of each element. However, the antagonists, Saturos and Menardi of the northern fire clan, tried to steal the Stars without success. In the process, they trigered the giant storm. And it is feared that that a giant boulder will fall from Mt. Aleph and destroy Vale.

However, the player finds this out later. They assume the role of the protagonist Isaac. He is a young Earth Adept from Vale. He then finds his friend Garet, a Mars Adept. Together they navigate the village, a problem exacerbated by falling rocks. They find that Felix, another young Earth Adept, is in a fast moving river hanging on to only a wooden post. Isaac and Garet are sent to find someone with enough Psynergy left to get Felix out of the river. They are able to find someone and get back, only in time to see the Mt. Aleph boulder tumble down and kill Felix, his parents, and Isaac's father.

Three years later, a stronger Isaac and Garet, along with Felix's sister, Jenna, and the scholar Kraden (who isn't an Adept) decide to explore the Sol Sanctum. It is them who discover the Elemental Stars. However, Saturos and Menardi follow them and kidnap Jenna and Kraden, along with three of the four Stars. In the process, another antagonist, Alex, is introduced. He is a Mercury Adept and possesses the ability to teleport from place to place. Additionaly, it is revealed that Felix did not die in the tragic storm but was instead saved by Saturos and Menardi. As the chamber collapses because the Stars can no longer hold it up, the antagonists flee with their captives. Issac and Garet are left with the Mas star, but unable to leave the chamber. Then, The Wise One, who gaurds the Elemental Stars, saves Isaac and Garet and tells them to recover the Stars. If they are used to light the four lighthouses, the power of Alchemy, sealed away many years before, will be set lose upon the world!

Isaac and Garet set out on a quest to prevent that from happening. They band together with a Jupiter Adept, Ivan. Together the three traverse the landscape to the northern Mercury Lighthouse, where they find a Mercury Adept, Mia. The four are unable to stop the lighthouse from being lit; nor stop the antagonists from escaping.

The protagonists continue to pursue thier foes, and wind up at the Venus Lighthouse. They learn that a girl named Sheba, who fell from the skies in the town of Lalivero, has been kidnapped by the same group of foes. Isaac and his party climb the Venus Lighthouse, where they at last defeat Saturos and Menardi (Alex is nowhere to be found). However, they are too late to prevent the Lighthouse from being lit. In the earthquake that followed, Sheba fell off the Lighthouse into the sea, Felix jumped after her, Jenna, Kraden, and Alex escape, and Isaac's party leaves the Lighthouse in a bittersweet mood.

The game is left open ended and is continued by its sequel.

Which do you like better? Mine can still be improved, though. HereToHelp 12:44, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a note. Kindly do not move the Chinese element comparison table again, thanks.

October 26 Format changes

Hey guys, I moved some stuff around on the page to make it a little less convoluted. No actual information was lost, just organized a little better. There's still work to be done, but if anyone has any objection to any of the moves, feel free to change it back. Also, this game doesn't need to be included in the "computer role-playing game" category since the the Golden Sun category itself is already considered one. Nall 16:30, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not bad, but there's still no gameplay info, just some stuff on chinese mythology, for some reason... -82.7.125.142 21:18, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Europe and the EU

EU = European Union

Iceland is a European country. So is Greece.
Greece is an EU memberstate (along with 24 others). Iceland is not.

The European flag "is most commonly associated with the European Union..." (see article). The game was released in Europe.

Masken 15:24, 28 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What flag do you suggest using, then? For the moment, I'm keeping the current flag until a new one is decided; it keeps the layout consistent. And what about Australia? -82.7.125.142 19:04, 28 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

October 29th Massive Overhaul

I just did a massive update of the page. I didn't really remove anything that was already there but I added everything important about the gameplay (that I could think of). There should be enough there for anyone to understand exactly how the game works, and I don't think I went into too much detail. I left up the attention tags because I want someone else to decide if the article is cleaned up and no longer confusing.

I split the elements section into two sections, because the commentary on them wasn't related to gameplay. The commentary has been moved to the bottom in a section called "Notes on Elements" (if you can think of a better name for that section, please change it).

Some guy 06:37, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Stop Whining

Anybody feel Wikipedia should shut the hell up and stop whinging about this article? It looks perfectly fine to me. I don't see how it can be any better and why it should be. So shut the hell up Wikipedia and stop complaining about the article!

Pretty bold, coming from someone who has spent their time vandalising this article. You say that it's fine and that we should shut up about it, yet if I'm not mistaken, you deleted perfectly good parts of this article no less than 5 times, which makes you a hypocrite. -82.7.125.142 14:16, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you have no proof that I deleted stuff, so please go and fuck your mother and then drink your father's semen, thanks.

2 Parts, not Games

This and Golden Sun: The Lost Age are one game, just split into 2 parts. The 2 games use the same battle system, follow the same storyline, and feature the same characters, meaning that alot of the information in Golden Sun: The Lost Age (much of which isn't even mentioned, meaning the article would need work anyway) would just be a copy of what is already in this article; there is nothing in that article that couldn't just be stated here.

So, I am proposing to merge these two articles into a more complete article, which would at least get rid of the {{confusing}} tags currently on both of these articles. If anyone would like to help or disagrees with me, please reply. -82.7.125.142 14:30, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Agree for stated reasons. Some guy 19:40, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]