Talk:Supremacism

Judaism 2

I use "Jew" here to mean only adherents to Judaism (rather than Jewish ethnicity, for consistency's sake: Jew).Owen&rob 03:51, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I'm sure there are Jews who do not believe that they are the chosen people per se. Since they are instantiative of Judaism, I feel it is a little unfair to include Judaism wholesale as "supremacist", but would would like to see some impartial connection made here. Owen&rob 03:47, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

If the following sentence were removed, would you approve of the remaining article? - Texture 03:55, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

"On the other hand, the Crusades, Islamism and the Jewish ethnocentrism can all be shown as examples of intolerance based upon those characteristics."

Next, can you find another way to produce a similar conept with a better, distanced example? (For example, the Crusades are removed from Christianity since we obviously do not practice Christianity today. (Why Islam is exempt from being included in the battle cry "remember the crusades", I don't know. They were overly as bad as the christians (except they were better to non-combatants in Palestine.) - Texture 03:55, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Judaism 1

In case somebody doesn't like me including Judaism, I suggest they read this. Sam Spade 03:07, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Jusaism is not a supremacist group. If you would like to propose a group of jews that is, feel free. But the majority of jews and the jewish religion are not. - Texture 03:09, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I take it you did not read the link I offered? Try Jews as a chosen people as well Sam Spade 03:12, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Yes, actually I did. Read the Bible. Read the Qaran. Come back to me and tell me we should add all christians and muslims as supremacist groups then I'll agree (with a disclaimer for the three). - Texture 03:13, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Now thats a good point. I agree. Sam Spade 03:18, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Not bad. Can we change "can each be accurately" to something more in line with belief? I think you need to tone it down to something more passive. I like the rest of it, though. It's seems fair. Let's see if it stands. - Texture 03:29, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

yep Sam Spade 03:32, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

You lost me again. "On the other hand, the Crusades, Islamism and the Jewish ethnocentrism are all examples of religious Supremacism." - These are examples of intolerance but need more angles to make them supremacist. The crusades is too broad to stroke with this brush. Jewish ethnocentrism believes their values are above other religions. Not their race. (As I understand the concept.) Islamism is too broad and includes groups who are intolerant but not supremacist. If you lose even one of these examples it becomes unbalanced and I would not agree it is a fair addition. - Texture 03:35, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I NPOV'ed myself a bit. Sam Spade 03:40, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I tried it a little more. I still don't know if I like the sentences existence, but how is that? - Texture 03:42, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)