User talk:Moriori

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Spell checking

Actually no, it was unintentional. I ran the whole page thru my spell checker. Feel free to put back the U.K. spelling. The policy is vague here, but seems to suggest being consistant within a page. The Wikipedia is not US centric tho (or at least doesn't intend to be). Sam Spade 02:11, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Naming convention

Hi, I really like your new articles, but I have been moving some of them in keeping with Wikipedia:Naming conventions. When we developed these a while back, the idea was that the way we name all similar articles (such as people, places, etc.) would be standardized. If you have any questions, I will be happy to try to answer. Danny 22:47, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hey Danny. Ah gee. I know, I know, I know. Sometimes habits of a long career overcome the thought processes. Tks for fixing them. Cheers Moriori 23:13, Apr 13, 2004 (UTC)

Editing experiments

I just deleted the editing experiment which you blanked. May I suggest that instead of blanking you better exchange such pages with {{msg:delete}} - you might even retain the original nonsense text then. Then such marked pages cannot get lost as they are always traceable with the "WhatLinksHere" link of that MediaWiki page. andy 09:47, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Mark Todd

Hi. I don't understand the purpose for the article you created at Mark Todd, UK politician with no text other than the stub notice. I also noted that no other pages linked there. I couldn't see any use for that, so I deleted it. If this was inappropriate, let me know. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 02:27, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Re: eeeek!

Hi! Unfortunately, even through Im an administrator too, I face your same situation. I dont know how to create disambiguation pages. What I will do is paste your massege to Village pump; hopefully someone can give you directions there. Im looking forward to reading your article on Mark Todd the horse sportsman. Thank you, and God bless you! Sincerely yours, Antonio Paris *cks my *alls Martin

You don't need to add a note that says you're going to make the page. Just upload the text when you're done. Dysprosia 03:21, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Maori

Kia ora, e hoa! Remarkable range of interests you have, as far as I can judge from a quick skim of your last 500 contributions. Anyway, the reason I've been doing less for the English WP in the last 5 weeks is here: the fledgling Maori Wikipedia. I would be delighted if you had a look (or another look, if you have already - I forget whether you've been recorded as contributing anything). You possibly know more Maori than the current 16 "members" put together. You could sign up and give us a "Karearea" page, linked from a list of birds linked from the "Lists" page. Or at least leave a greeting on the Korero page. Please? Kind regards - Robin Patterson 03:39, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for the half-anonymous note on my talk page. I think one can often write a language better than one can speak it. Maybe you can (1) have a browse among the recent changes; (2) email several Maori-speaking friends with a recommendation that they have a look too? Very best wishes - Robin Patterson 07:44, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up

I'll keep a watch on him. RickK 22:30, Jun 2, 2004 (UTC)

Current Sports Events

Hi. I notice that in your edit to Current Sports Events of 10:11 yesterday (8 Aug) the link to [[MS<caron>K Z<caron>ilina]] got corrupted to "MS<caron>K Z<caron>ilina". Was thi s deliberate, or do you use some unusual software that made this change automatically? There is a redirect from MSK Zilina anyway... Cheers! Arwel 11:03, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

(Posted to Arwel's page) -- Hi Arwell, you asked on my talk page whether it was deliberate that the link to MS<caron>K Z<caron>ilina got corrupted to "MS<caron>K Z<caron>ilina during my edit to Current Sports Events of 10:11 yesterday 8 Aug. No it was not deliberate, and I would never do that. I'm using IE6. Could that be the culprit? Cheers. Moriori 20:28, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)

Hi Moriori. No, I don't think it's IE6 that's causing the problem, because I use it too! There must be some strange setting somewhere that's causing this. Oddly enough, in your reply on my talk page it's happened again and it appears as "MS<caron>K Z<caron>ilina got corrupted to "MS<caron>K Z<caron>ilina " -- very strange, eh? -- Arwel 20:45, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

(Posted to Arwel's page) --: I am as flummoxed as you are Arwel. I'm not a compugeek, so I jave no idea what the prob may be. Cheers. Moriori 22:50, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)

Vandalism

Please do not vandalize other users' pages with edits like this one.

Thanks,

Acegikmo1 19:37, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

== News item: Zinedine Zid ane ==

I removed this item because the article was not sufficiently updated for the event: the article contained no more information about the news event than did the item in the "In the news" template. The Wikipedia is not a newspaper; items go in the "In the news" section as a pointer to an event worthy of an encyclopedia. If a person does not gain any new information about the current event than from what is on the front page, then it should not be there. Note, for instance, that each of the other items presently "In the news" each have more than three paragraph's worth of information that was added within the last two days. Each have a full paragraph or more of information immediately related to the current event and more than four paragraphs directly related to the event. - Centrx 23:23, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I did not know that there was a current sports events page. - Centrx 02:32, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Arbitration concerning Rex071404

As you probably know, there's a pending arbitration proceeding that asks for Rex to be blocked from editing John Kerry and related pages.

Arbitration proceedings can take months. If you want to join several other editors in urging the Arbitration Committee to issue a temporary injunction, so that the Kerry article can be usefully edited sometime before the election, I'd love it if you'd go here to chime in with your support:

• Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Rex071404/Evidence#Request for immediate temporary injunction

Thanks! JamesMLane 13:46, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

FYI: JamesMLane is spending copious amounts of time trying to give me the boot from John Kerry. What he doesn't tell you is that he is also at fault himself for some of the revert problems which have occured there. Rex071404 04:32, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Style

Tena koe Moriori. I hope this is the right place to leave a message for you. Thanks for your style tip—actually, I have read through the Wikipedia guide but a few of the early ones I wrote did slip through before I read it. I've tried to retrieve the old ones and correct them but there's a chance I missed a few. Actually, quite a few of the others I've spotted don't comply and I've been going through to get them up to the Chicago standard. Stombs 13:10, Aug 15, 2004 (UTC)

Talk:Marfa light

Talk:Marfa light

I am sad to hear that this expert, Edson C. Hendricks, who did very good contributions in his short time on wikipedia, has left again. Some people are harder to handle than others. Some people have their expectations on wikipedia shattered on their first try, like this man here. We must not bite the newbies, and give good contributors lots of respect. I am certainly not blaming you, but I'm asking you to be more careful. [[User:Sverdrup|User:Sverdrup]] 19:10, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Moriori: Thank you for informing me about this discussion but please note that I am user EdH, not user edh, and I have no interest in this sad controversy. EdH 13:58, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)

Incipit

Hi. I just wanted to let you know that I will be starting a discussion on Talk:Incipit about those "verbose" words you've deleted twice. Thanks. Doops 02:56, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Template

Given your most recent edit to charles Darwin, perhaps you might want to look at Template talk:Infobox Biography Mintguy (T) 09:12, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hi Moriori. Would you please "vote" on the Charles Darwin talk page? Netoholic is giving me a hard time because I made the mistake of calling it a vote when I was really tracking opinions. (If I misrepresented you as opposed to the infobox, I apologize BTW.) Cheers, Vincent 02:58, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. Vincent 05:07, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Statue of David

Moriori, have a look at User talk:Arpingstone for your David statue reply - Adrian Pingstone 10:59, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

My reply to your reply is at User talk:Arpingstone as usual - Adrian Pingstone 21:44, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Got your reply, don't hesitate to ask me in the future whether I can see a pic you might upload - Adrian Pingstone 21:55, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Singapore

Hi Moriori:

I think there was something wrong with that quiz thing. There IS no such thing as "Singapore City". The city is the same as the country, the suburbs go right to the borders, the parks and so forth are embedded right into the city. There is no "city council" — there are town councils, but those are more like neighbourhood organizations than an actual level of government. There are also election districts, but those are for — you guessed it — elections.

In other words, there ARE no administrative divisions in Singapore, at all. None. (Incidently Singaporeans seem to get really confused about the states and provinces and counties and so forth that other countries have...) It's just one unified continuous city-state, that's it. The capital of Singapore is itself; it's probably better to say that the term "capital" is meaningless when applied to Singapore. -- [[User:Ran|ran (talk)]] 05:08, Sep 18, 2004 (UTC)

Sorry for reverting you on golf

...more at talk:golf Kosebamse 20:54, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Re: National Anthems Vandalism

Thanks for adding the IP address to the vandalism page. Hopefully the note I added should stop casual changes--enceladus 01:52, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Scott Dixon photo

Thanks for uploading Image:Scott dixon.jpg. I've been tagging images without image copyright tags, and I came across this one. I'm a little confused as to its copyright status. What does IRL stand for? Does only Wikipedia have permission, or does anyone have permission to use the image? Thanks, – Quadell ^{(talk) (help)}[[]] 22:54, Oct 5, 2004 (UTC)

IRL is Indy Racing League who hold copyright to the image. IRL gave us permission to use it (for non commercial use) but anyone picking it up and using it commercially would breach copyright. Don't know which of the tags we have these days would be appropriate. Will be interesting to see your choice. Cheers Moriori 23:07, Oct 5, 2004 (UTC)

Cycling History Deletion

Thanks for your message, I had a quick look at the speedy deletions page but didn't see ads as one of the criteris so I thought I had to go through the whole VFD procedure. I could well be wrong though. I think your right about the Keeley Bros as well, I've never heard of them and the article does seem to be more of a CV than anything really notable. Suggestions? Lisiate 23:58, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Maori chief translation

Thanks for removing the erroneous translation from the Maori chief picture I uploaded. "Greedy" was in the caption of the picture in the book, but you never know how much was "interpreted" by the English writers :) [[User:MikeX|—MikeX (Talk)]] 00:05, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)

Bromeliads

Hi Moriori! I'm not the expert you think (smiles) but I've had a go and made a sort-of improvement. The sort-of solution was just to move the code for both pics down into the genera list so that the pics are totally below the taxobox. The problem then is a gap that appears in the genera list. I don’t know how to get rid of it. Secondly, the pics are not in alignment along their tops and I've no idea how to correct that either. At any rate, it looks better so maybe someone can improve it further. Best Wishes - Adrian Pingstone 10:57, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Air NZ

Talk:Air New Zealand has been revived. A challenge for you (but you have more important things to do). Robin Patterson 00:08, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Clitoris

I've removed you comment (but not your vote) from the picture vote. Saying that people who disagree with your POV needs psychiatric help violates our no personal attack rules :-( Theresa Knott (Not the skater) 22:00, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I'm sorry you were offended by my actions. It was not my intention to upset you. The thing is, there have been a number of insults aimed at various people in the talk page of that article. Although you were not aimimg your remark at a specific person, it's still potentially insulting to everyone who voted yes on the poll.

If you look at the history, you'll see I reverted your edit because it broke another users signature. I had to copy and paste your vote back in. I could not in all good faith copy and paste in a comment that I felt would offend a number of different people. Had I not had to revert becas

ue of the sig, i probably wouldn't have deleted your comment, but instead asked you to remove it. I should have explained all this above. Reading my comments again this morining they do come across as acusatory.For that I apologise. Theresa Knott (Not the skater) 06:46, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Bob Charles (golfer)

Hello,
I'd like to inform you that removing cleanup tags is considered bad conduct. Feel free to head over to the talk page of the user who added it, and discuss it (ask for clarification what isn't neutral). But don't just remove it. Also, calling a cleanup up tag on said article silly can be considered uncivil by some. Please stay friendly and civil at all times. [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|^(talk)]] 09:30, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)

Taranaki /Mt Egmont

Hi there, please do a little more research before making changes. I did the last major rewrite of the section on the name of Mt Taranaki, and searched out the official status before doing so (the website of New Zealand Geographic Board Nga Pou Taunaha o Aotearoa) - although someone else put the inverted commas around 'official', I think. Also, IIRC, the reversion to Taranaki was in the early '90's, which hardly qualifies as 'years ago'. dramatic 09:51, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

• Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
• Multi-Licensing Guide
• Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

Image Tags

Thanks for uploading Image:.303_ammunition.jpg. I notice it currentl y doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GFDL, or {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much, BrokenSegue 02:38, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Macedonians vs. Macedonian Slavs

Dear Moriori, at the moment there is a poll taking place on the Macedonian Slavs talk page to which you could make a significant contribution. Thank you in advance for your participation. Ivica83 13:52, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Well I did teach there for 24 years so I was fairly confident I was right. Usually I don't need Export Gold to make errors, I can make them on good days even. Cheers. ping 4 July 2005 05:35 (UTC)

Gregorian Calendar dates

Thanks for the feedback, however the reason I made the dates all the same format was that there were different formats on the same page appearing on my computer. Am I missing something important? Cheers JackofOz 5 July 2005 06:18 (UTC)

That's because they were all not wikied. If you write 1 December or December 1, both unwikied, they will appear in that form on your comp. However, if they are wikied, they will apear on YOUR comp in the form that YOU set in YOUR prefs.

Oh, now I see. Thanks. JackofOz

Anyone can edit

Anyone can edit Wikipedia, just not all of it! :-) It is sad indeed that we have to protect the main page from vandalism using the clumsy "admin-edit-only" tool, but there a lot of idiots out there who like to vandalize, the main page is a popular target and we only have so many ways to fight them. I hope you understand and find it acceptable. Pcb21| Pete 8 July 2005 09:59 (UTC)

Of course I understand the why of it. Unfortunately tho, it means the main page will sometimes carry poorly written stuff that can only be edited by people who write poorly. OK, I know I need to explain that particular comment by saying that I don't suggest everyone who can edit the main page writes poorly. Obviously, most don't, but sometimes there is verbosity, repetition and even sophomoric writing that good editors sometimes don't fix because they may be engrossed in their own bailiwicks. So sloppy stuff is posted, and isn't improved. Then along come people like me who could improve it, but voila, we can't elect to do what we are specifically here for -- to contribute to and improve Wikipedia. Moriori July 9, 2005 08:01 (UTC)

Sounds like you need to become an admin. The bigger that body of people is, the less chance poor work will end up on the Main Page. How long have you been around? Pcb21| Pete 9 July 2005 09:58 (UTC)

What a coincidence! I've just been listing which NZ Wikipedians are admins and was amazed that your name was missing. How about it - would you accept if I nominated you? Grutness...wha? 10:48, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Done! Now you've to go over to Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Moriori to formally accept nomination and answer a few questions. Good luck! Grutness...wha? 02:06, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Glad you beat me to it Grutness, I've not been doing much on WP this week. I've added support. Pcb21| Pete 07:36, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Re southern Māori

I've made a slight change to your latest amendment to Māori - Southern Māori was actively discouraged in the south, too - it wasn't just government documents. If you think that whjat I've put is not as good, though, feel free to roll it back. Grutness...wha? 02:32, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Cresco

Thanks for your work on that :-).

Adminship

I'm pleased to report that you're now an admin. You may wish to take a look at the Administrators' reading list and Wikipedia:Administrators' how-to guide, if you have not done so already, for policy regarding the various features now available to you as well as practical how-to details about their use. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 01:58, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome. We're actually required to advise you of these two pages, despite the fact that candidates are already advised to read them as part of the Interview Questions. Tradition, I guess. Of course, you could be bold and change it, if you wish... The Uninvited Co., Inc. 02:14, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Congrats!

Congratulations! Not that I had any doubts you'd be voted with flying colours... A ceremonial mop is now awaiting you in the janitor's cupboard :) Grutness...wha? 02:21, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Congrats from me too.-gadfium 05:09, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

survey numbering

If you add your numbered vote underneath the last number vote rather than the comment, it'll count it in sequence. At least, I believe that's what is going on! Either way, thanks for your participation. :D -eric ✈ 02:31, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Magicianrandy

I protected his talk page for abuse, what did he do for the block anyway? Redwolf24 00:50, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

User:Finlay McWalter gave him two warnings for vandalism, see [1]. Only minutes after Finlay reverted Magicianrandy's vandalism, he again vandalised the Out of This World (card trick) page with abuse, see [2]. Magicianrandy also hurled abuse on his own talk page, so I blocked him for 24hrs. Perhaps it should have been longer. Moriori 01:31, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

Platinum

Concerning the artical Platinum I've cited a web site (link in references) giving credit to the author. In addition, I have sent email to the site author asking for permission to use the text (No copyright notices are on his pages) but I have not recieved any reply.

By the way, I would love to visit your country at least once in my life.--Rgordey 02:54, July 31, 2005 (UTC) moved from userpage ∞Who?¿? 03:07, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Hoaxes

What is sparking your hoax detector about Mike Monty? He seems to have an IMDB entry, and at a glance, it seems to back up some of the claims made in the article. But it's not my area, so I could well be wrong. :) Ambi 13:19, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Cricket tour naming

Hi. While I in part agree with the move of [[New Zealanders in Zimbabwe in 2005]], there's about 15-20 pages of other cricket tours that need to be moved as well, and the standard cricket convention is to name them as {adjective of touring country} in {host country} in {year}. I doubt it's going to cause much trouble to have a shorter page name - nobody would type in all of that anyway - and the only other sport that uses a "tour" system (AFAIK), is rugby, so I doubt there would be a conflict. If you still feel strongly

about it, feel free to leave a comment on the WikiProject Cricket talk page. Thanks! Sam Vimes 21:39, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: AR Gov Joe Purcell

Hi, you contacted me regarding where I got my information on Gov. Purcell of Arkansas. Some of the AR websites still have some individuals as still living when they have, in fact, since passed on. Both fmr Lt Govs. Maurice "Footsie" Britt & fmr Lt Gov (and Acting Gov) Joe Purcell are deceased. The confirmation of Purcell's death was from an article in the Little Rock Arkansas Democrat-Gazette from March 6, 1987 (I was not able to obtain the entire article to confirm exact date and cause of death and location).

Additonal info (eyebar)

I did not properly read your question the first time I answered it - please see Talk:Suspension bridge#What is an "eyebar"

Silver Bridge

I incorporated my monograph from the suspension bridge talk into the article. Please review and correct as needed. Leonard G. 16:20, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

No Limit Texas Holdem

Feel free to write a non-copyvio article on the temporary subpage. It looks like no limit isn't covered in Texas hold'em, and my googling of the recent rampage of poker copyvios has taught me there's plenty of sources out there that could be synthesized into a good article. --Laura Scudder | Talk 22:21, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

I am the owner of the site of kerala pictures

I am the owner of the site of kerala pictures, so no copyright violation.. anyway its just a link.

How do you write comments when you deleted the link?

It would be helpful if you had signed your contribution. Are you MaxX? If you are the owner or copyright holder of the link I deleted, then please say so, AND categorically indicate that all of the fabulous photos on that site are released into the public domain by you and may be used by anyone who wants to use them, in any way. Cheers Moriori 07:10, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Yes I am the owner of the website link which you deleted. It is just a link to the website, the pictures are not put on wikipedia itself... How come you dont remove the About Kerala page which is also copyrighted? Most websites are copyrighted but links are fine as we are not putting content from the website directly on wikipedia. Its just a link to it! If the content on the linked to website had to be in public domain, there would be hardly any external links on wikipedia. Wikipedia says that if someone takes content from wikipedia pages and uses it, it should be made public domain (but that is not the case here, website content is not from wikipedia) Can you put the link back? --MaxX 11:38, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Hello MaxX. Wikipedia says the following (in part) about "What should not be linked to" -- Wikipedia disapproves strongly of links that are added for advertising purposes. Adding links to one's own page is strongly discouraged......... Persistently linking to one's own site is considered Vandalism and can result in sanctions. -- You make a point about the About Kerala link, and I think that should go too. However, I think it is better for me to ask for advice on the Village Pump, which I am about to do. You say your intention was to only link to Wikipedia, not upload the images to Wikipedia but that could open a can of wrigglies if someone used one of your pics commercially. I'm no lawyer, but if they said that you provided access to your site from a free encyclopedia, then they thought they had a right to use it. Dunno. Anyway, see what transpires at the Wikipedia:Village pump (assistance)#Advice Please. Cheers. Moriori 23:26, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

A simple URL is presumed to be not copyrightable, and thus there is no copyright issue here. It may be inappropriate for other reasons, it is legal. -- Cyrius|✎ 23:38, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

George Adamski

You may be amused by the following discussion on the Reference desk.-gadfium 03:19, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

7000

The numeral 7000 was looking extremely awkward there. The actual coastline is 7,6?? km. I went by the following suggestion:. However, it is considered awkward for a numeral to be the first word of a sentence: either recast the sentence or spell the number out. , since the number stuck out, even though it did not begin with one. Spelling out a number has more to do in the context it is placed. I hope I've made some some sense :) User:Nichalp/sg 09:06, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Maori music links

must be some more maori goodies especially in and from NZ??

Even some Canadians are going publicly wild about NZ.

http://www.citizensassembly.bc.ca/public startimg from week 5.

http://www.citizensassembly.bc.ca/public/learning_resources/learning_materials/week5

BBC, and their old Zulus:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/features/africa/rams/s1_6.ram

RE: Can you keep a[n] eye on ......

Okay, I will try, but I have had to cut back on editing significantly recently. I must confess that I didn't actually read it when I first struck upon it. If I had, I might even have VfD'd it. The final two paragraphs were both subjective and pointless, so I have removed them accordingly. Thanks for letting me know, --Cyberjunkie | Talk 05:39, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

CB

The article is about the American "Citizen's Band" service and mentions CB-like services in other countries - I think it's perfectly accurate to refer to the United States in the intro and only then mention equivalents in other countries. --Wtshymanski 23:59, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Redundant cats

Category:New Zealand all-rounders is in Category:New Zealand cricketers which in turn is in Category:New Zealand sportspeople, so those two were redundant in Lance Cairns. Rl 10:24, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

He should not be in Category:New Zealand sportspeople. If your line of reasoning was correct, you'd have to add him to Category:New Zealand people and many other categories. I suggest you read Wikipedia:Categorization, specifically the part that reads "An article should not be in both a category and its subcategory, for example Microsoft Office is in Category:Microsoft software, so should not also be in Category:Software."

I never said that there should

only be one category per article. Adding Category:New Zealand golfers is fine. Rl 07:12, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, I must admit that you have TOTALLY lost me where you say one of our most prominent sportspeople should not be in Category:New Zealand sportspeople. Never mind, I no longer have to put NZ sportspeople cat on articles about NZ sportspeople to ensure all NZ sportspeople are in one cat. Have fun doing all of the reverts. Moriori 07:31, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Tandem Landing gear

Actually i was about to add examples to the undercarriage article after i found some examples. The Myasishchev M-4, Boeing B-47, and B-52 all have tandem undercarriage. Perhaps i'll add that it was rather a feature common to Cold-War bombers. Thanks for the feedback!

Tandem Landing gear

Actually i was about to add examples to the undercarriage article after i found some examples. The Myasishchev M-4, Boeing B-47, and B-52 all have tandem undercarriage. Perhaps i'll add that it was rather a feature common to Cold-War bombers. Thanks for the feedback!

Misuse of one-click rollback

In my opinion, this edit is an abuse of one-click rollback. Not only was it not vandalism, but you actually reverted out a spelling correction! Please do not use one-click rollback for anything other than actual vandalism. Thank you for your cooperation. Kelly Martin 03:53, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Hey Kelly, I am not sure what you mean. What is this edit you mention? It seems to have disappeared. And certainly the Lim_weiyang article has gone too. Cheers Moriori 09:13, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Indeed, the article in question has been deleted. Nonetheless, it was a misuse of one-click rollback. Kelly Martin 10:50, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

No it wasn't. My recollection is that I visited the article because I was actually watching that contributor. I noted he/she had edited the article by making the alteration to the spelling AND by removing the speedy delete tag which another editor had placed there a little earlier. IMHO it was a nonsense stub article so I rolled it back to the speedy delete version. Moriori 20:31, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Re: Home run leaders by letters of the alphabet

The article "Home run leaders by letters of the alphabet" shouldn't be changed into "alphabetical order" because the article isn't listing the home run leaders in alphabetical order. It is the top five home run leaders for each letter... I wish there was an easier and shorter way of making the title, but it is what it is. If it is changed to alphabetical order, it will be something that it is not. And I'm not trying to wind you up, I don't know where your coming from with that, but thats not what I'm trying to do. Croat Canuck 03:00, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Liz Shaw

Actually, you're probably as qualified a user as anyone. This gal seems "notable," at least to some degree, but the arrival of socks has me worried. I have a feeling this won't last long.  :) Talk to you soon! - Lucky 6.9 02:54, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Slips!

As someone is sure to have noticed, I deleted an article a few minutes ago, called Longest article, without explaining why in the summary. Not intentional, I hit the save by mistake. Anyway, the reason was that the artice was deliberate nonsense.Moriori 21:02, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

Luby's

You deleted the article, which was indeed heavily POV and apparently created as a bit of a joke, but I was wondering why it couldn't have just been trimmed down to the form I recreated it as. While I am a bit of a deletionist. I don't feel this was appropriate under the category of "nonsense". I'd like to hear your thoughts. Mr Bound 02:37, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Hello there Mr Bound. You yourself describe the article as (1) heavily POV, (2) joke, (3) needing trimming down. Ragarding (3), had it been trimmed down it would have almost disappeared! I thought that by Wikipedia standards it was indeed nonsense and beyond help. It's not a good idea to dump stuff like the article I deleted, and expect others to deal with it (if they can). Hey, there is nothing to stop you creating an article about Luby's, to encyclopedic standard. Go for it. Cheers Moriori 02:50, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Bruyns

Yes, one of his problems was that a google search for his name produced pages from this site that were critical of him, specifically your talk archives. [3] I suggested to him that if he apologised to you for losing his rag, and that you in turn would be generous enough to let bygones be bygones and let him edit out his name from you talk archives. Everything would remain in the history of the page, which isn't spidered or cached by Google. As he seems to be behaving himself at the moment, I hope that you can extend to him that courtesy. I do apologise to you however as with hindsight I sould have contacted you rather than letting him do it. Dunc|☺ 22:44, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Tks for the explanation Dunc. Very unusual, but these are unusual circumstances. I will most certanly let bygones be bygones. Furthermore, I will delete all of my edits which mention Mr Bruyns, if he deletes all of his edits which mention me. Would you please convey this to him. Cheers. Moriori 23:37, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

I'll Delete References to You, But There's a Problem

I've mentioned you a good many times, Moriori, and I would gladly delete every one of them, but there's a serious problem in the way. If I delete messages from other people's user talk pages because they mention your name, they'll all think I'm some kind of vandal, especially since I also quarrelled with Robin Patterson and some of my references to you are on that user's talk page. If you will forewarn Patterson (that user and I aren't on "speaking" terms), then I will forewarn the others, but it may be a bit of slow process. Please tell me when you've notified Patterson and I'll tell you when I've finished deleting all other references to you. Oh, and I'll assume good faith and just say that the whole "Turkey Stearnes" matter was a big misunderstanding. Thank you very much. Felix Frederick Bruyns 00:52, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Fair enough. I will definitely delete any ref to you from my talk page, and will advise User:Robin Patterson why you will be deleting your refs to me on his talk page. To record that we amicably agree on this outcome, I will not delete this particular section of the page, if that is ok with you. Cheers.Moriori 01:11, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Noted with thanks, guys. By the way, Felix, I don't remember reading anything about "cleansing", and I'm very sorry if anyone has given you the impression that I'm not on speaking terms with you. Maybe someone poked a sentence in above my signature and hoped you wouldn't check the page history. Kia ora! Robin Patterson 01:51:15, 2005-09-06 (UTC)

==About DESpiegel and Carriage Returns== One other problem remains. DESpiegel sent me a completely unsolicited and horribly obscene message on my user talk (for no apparent reason) and so I don't really feel like telling him that I'm about to delete parts of his user talk. Do you mind warning him? By the way, it seems that I'm adding something called a "carriage return" in some of my messages. I don't know what that is, but Raul654 is pretty upset about it. What is a carriage return? Thank you very much. Felix Frederick Bruyns 02:17, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Sure, I'll leave a message on his talk page soon as I sign off here. The term carriage return comes from typewriter days I think, when people reaching the end of a line used a lever to take the carriage carrying the typing paper, accross, back to the right hand side, which put the left margin of the next line in place for the next word. Here on our comps we simply push return to create the same line break. I noticed quite a few of your edits created line breaks higher up the pages, I don't how this unusual break could be caused. Cheers.

==Finished== So far as I know, I have deleted every reference that I ever made to you in 2005, although if you want me to go through your archives and delete my part of our messages from 2004, I'll do that also. Thank you very much. Felix Frederick Bruyns 02:55, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

No, I think I've got everything. If you check out your edit to this page, the edit I am replying to, you will see in the first par of the Current Revision column on the right, exactly how your phantom line break is appearing. Maybe if you asked one of the regular editors of Wiki computing pages, they might help. Cheers. Moriori 03:00, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

==Sorry, I Don't See It== I don't see anything there. I'm probably looking right at the problem and not noticing it, but I still don't see it. But perhaps you can just tell me what I'm doing wrong. In this edit I started out just after your UTC, so of course I pressed "enter". Then I typed "Sorry, I Don't See It" with two equals signs on each side, clicked the spacebar to move one space ahead horizontally, then just typed. I end my messages with another horizontal space followed by four tildes. If there's something incorrect about that I certainly would like to know, since I'd like to be able to send messages without forcing the receivers to fix their user talk pages. Thank you very much. Felix Frederick Bruyns 03:41, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

OK, try the following.

• Click on User talk:Moriori
• Click on Page History at the top
• Click on the dot/circle beside my edit timed at 16:00
• Click on the dot/circle beside your edit timed at 16:41
• Click on Compare Selected Versions
• Your actual edit is at the bottom of the page, but the phantom edit people are talking aout is at the top. Note the difference between the left and right hand columns. On the right, three line spaces have mysteriously appeared below the subheading and the text starting "I've mentioned....." There are three and a half lines of text and then a break, then three empty lines, before it carries on again. Before you edit, it all ran together, so your computer seems to be doing something that I certainly can't explain. You need a compugeek, so try one of the regulars on the computing articles. Cheers Moriori 04:14, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

==DESiegel's Conduct== Because of what he did to me (the senseless, unsolicited obscene message on my user talk) I am considering arbitration. But first I would like to give him a chance to explain his conduct by a deadline. To set a deadline I need to know his time zone. Do you know what DESiegel's time zone is, because he doesn't say what country he's in on his user page? As for the editing problem, its past 10:00 PM in my time zone, so I'll find a computer expert tommorow. Thank you very much. Felix Frederick Bruyns 05:19, 6 September 2005 (UTC) ==FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, HELP ME== I am Felix Bruyns, but a bullying "sysop" named Zoe has blocked me from the site because of the editing problem, which is the fault of either my computer or my Internet service. Look, I know we had a misunderstanding, but since we have patched things up you have been the most reasonable and helpful user of Wikipedia. These are the facts. Please believe me Moriori. Zoe told me to stop editing other people's pages, and Dmcdevit questioned why I was doing so as well. I sent a message to Dmcdevit and calmly explained to him that I wasn't vandalizing anyone and that I wasn't even doing anything incorrectly. I explained that either my computer or my web service was causing the problems and apologized for the inconvenience. I added that he should go to your user talk for an explanation. I asked him to pass that along to Zoe. Then the next message I got was one of those "stop hands" and an accusation of deliberate vandalism (violating good faith policy and completely false). That also borders on libel since Internet vandalism is a crime. I sent a message to Zoe that he claimed contained "threats". I made no physical or even legal threats. All I did was say that if he didn't stop defaming me I would go to arbitration. Then Dmcdevit called me an "angry, paranoid bully". I may have a temper, but I was certainly not the bully in this case. That was, of course, a personal attack. Well, you know my temper. I responded by callling him a bully. Because these messages contained the same extra spaces that this one probably does and because Zoe's ego was offended by my forceful promises to go to arbitration, he blocked me from editing Wikipedia. This is pure injustice. Zoe also claimed that if my "vandalism" were accidental I could simply check the preview to solve the problems, showing his profound ignorance about computer-related problems. So, the official reasons that "Felix Frederick Bruyns" is banned from Wikipedia are that I am a deliberate vandal (false) and that I made threats (also false). This abuse of power is outrageous and you're about the only person that I can turn to. I have written four articles since my return to Wikipedia, which are honestly of high quality and I planned on writing many more. But Zoe's ego and his love of his own power are preventing me from even contacting any arbitrators or the administrative board under my own name. Look, I do have a temper, but obviously Zoe has far more serious personality problems than I do and shouldn't even be on Wikipedia, much less a sysop. My quarrel with DmcDevit was probably a misunderstanding, but he firmly sided with Zoe, making my situation all the more hopeless unless you intervene as a respected Wikipedia user. Thank you, and may God bless you if you help me. Anonymous for Now 07:19, 6 September 2005 (UTC) NOW ZOE HAS EVEN BLOCKED ME FROM HAVING A USER PAGE, PLEASE HELP ME!!!

Hello again Mr Bruyns. There is a problem with the ongoing line breaks in your editing, as I have tried to describe above, and which many other editors have mentioned. Whatever the reason it happens it is regular, and therefore it is not totally unreasonable that some editors might suspect you are doing this quite deliberately, and react accordingly. You are quite entitled to challenge their suspicion and actions. But your hostility is causing problems, specifically for you. I swallowed my pride and made concessions to effect an end to the dispute between us, and we progressed to amicable settlement. You clearly made concessions too and I thought it was obviously good for us, and ergo, good for Wikipedia. But now, your most recent edits have alienated many editors, and I truly can't see how I can be of help to you. You have to do it yourself. Moriori 09:21, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Msg deletion

You will not be deleting any msgs from my user talk page, no matter what the subject, nor will any other user. If you do, or if anyone else does, I will revert, and report it as vandalism. DES ^(talk) 14:14, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Note I didn't say I would delete something on your specific page. I put something similar on other editors pages as well, hoping they would see that this would help bury a dispute. But no matter, it is your page, and I obviously see why you don't want some particular info deleted. Cheers. Moriori 20:06, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Template talk:Infobox Biography

I'm having some issues on John Vanbrugh. People keep removing the infobox! I think it's quite useful as it does take some hunting to find information about birth places, birth dates and death dates/places in many of the articles. Could you comment on the talk page? - Ta bu shi da yu 02:53, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Conquest of the Desert

As this is the English Wiki, I am wondering what the rationale is for your redirect of Conquest of the Desert to the Spanish titled Conquista del Desierto. Moriori 22:10, September 8, 2005 (UTC)

Good question, for which I have only bad answers. I guess I got influenced by badly named articles, such as Primera División Argentina. I'll rename it. Mariano(t/c) 06:41, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Quadrans Muralis

hey. i made a minor edit from "meteor shower Quadrantids" to "Quadrantid meteor shower".

can you give me a reason why you reverted my edit?

-justaddpeter

Hello Peter. Yes, I reverted your edit because you changed the link from the live link Quadrantids to Quadrantid which was a dead link , (but which I see is now a redirect). Cheers Moriori 04:19, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Rewa's village pic

I'm not sure if I'm doing this Talk thing correctly. I'll try to brighten up the picture a bit. I've been adding quite a few, so if there is any way for you to get them flagged as new so you can look at them, that would be great. If you get this please respond so I'll know that I am doing the Talk thing correctly.

Other photos to check out

Articles to which I have added photos: White Island, Muriwai Beach, Hokianga Harbour (2), Cape Reinga, Mangonui, Waitangi, Maori, Yams (Kumara) and Cormandel Penninsula. Please be a little patient with me; this is the first time I have added anything to Wikipedia. Thanks.

I'll be adding a few more photos today.

Unschool

You directed User:Unschool to create his userpage in the main namespace. I userfied it, as I assume that was your intent. Jkelly 03:56, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Cool, but I was trying to encourage the newbie to do it himself. No probs. Cheers. Moriori 06:57, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

By "userfied", I assume that JKelly means making the headline "User:Unschool" appear at the top. I must admit, it was very strange, in the middle of trying create the headline, to all of a sudden have the headline appear without my having figured out how to do it. Naively, I just assumed that there was something in the programming that just made this automatically "happen".

Thanks to both Moriori and JKelly for your good intentions.Unschool 15:56, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Re origin of word Moriori

Yes, you're right, of course... and I've been busily hunting down where I read that, but I can't seem to find it. Feel free to revert unless someone can come up with the reference (ISTR it may have been Michael King, but if it was, I've no idea where he wrote it...). There's certainly no doubt that Maori use reduplication as a modifier for intensity or ownership, but further than that I've been unable to find the actual source I was looking for. Grutness...wha? 09:38, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

List of cricketers' nicknames

Thanks for your concern. My intention was to be to move it into article space in a few days, after firstly building a critical mass. I'll then blank it out from my user space. This is how I prefer to create most articles. -- Ian ≡ talk 03:53, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Fine, but maybe if it was already in the cricketing section, others would help you build it faster. However, no probs. Chgeers. Moriori 03:55, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

I changed my mind. It's now moved. -- Ian ≡ talk 03:56, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

New Zealand general election, 2005

Noticed that you edited out a link to an article I put in that mentioned the Maori Party intends to support Labour. The article includes this graph:

The Maori Party with four seats will also be approached by Labour for support after party members stated they would prefer to deal with Labour rather than National. Blueboy96 01:05, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes I did, The article said the Maori Party INTENDS to support Labour. The linked website does not say that at all, as you have demonstrated with your quote here. They probably will, but have made no such statement. Yet. Moriori 01:20, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes

I was still in the process of creating the stub page on Ndonga. I am again creating the page with more information. Please wait for few minutes. Can you undelete the deleted materials. Is that possible? Ok. bye now. --MissingLinks 08:15, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

ML, new articles containing only one word are usually deleted, so it is a good idea to at least create a stub or indicate that text is on the way. However, no probs, I see your new effort is alive and well and that's fine. I am not sure what you mean by undeleting deleted materials. There were no links that I could see and the article contained only one word. Did I miss something. Cheers. Moriori 08:23, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. I thought that once you delete something, I will not be able to write on that topic. Somewhere, I read about undeleting. So I thought. Now, it is fine. Thanks again for encouragements. I will be more careful in future. It was ok, please donot mind. --MissingLinks 08:26, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Aircraft specs policy

Several weeks ago, you voted in the WikiProject Aircraft Specifications Survey. One of the results of the survey was that the specifications for the various aircraft articles will now be displayed using a template. Ericg and I have just finished developing that template; a lengthier bulletin can be found on the WT:Air talkpage. Naturally, we will need to begin a drive to update the aircraft articles. However, several topics in the survey did reach establish consensus, and they need to be resolved before we implement the template. It is crticial that we make some conclusion, so that updating of the specs can resume as soon as possible. You can take part in the discussions here. Thanks, Ingoolemo ^talk 06:02, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Crick and panspermia

Please see discussion of your edit of Francis Crick at Talk:Francis Crick#Religious Beliefs. --JWSchmidt 18:01, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

130.194.13.105 block

hello, i am a legitimate contributor but the ip address is blocked for someone else. can't i continue to contribute using my username? -- Zondor 06:54, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

That IP is used as an Australian Education proxy. So far, our official policy is "sorry but if one kid needs a block, unfourtuantly the rest need to be dragged down with that kid" as they have been just far too much trouble in the past. Sasquatcht|c 08:04, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Arg, just tested it and it appears to be a fully open proxy as well! This could be trouble. Sasquatcht|c 08:06, 10 October 2005 (UTC) nevermind that, just transparent, just leave the block as is. Sasquatcht|c 08:08, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

anyhow, it works using my username very soon afterwords under the same ip address -- Zondor 08:57, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

IP address

Ya, I unblocked it. See WP:AN. If more vandalism, suggest reblocking. - Ta bu shi da yu 07:19, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Flags

Firstly, I am also ex-RNZAF (R6/82). Secondly, these flags have been displayed on various flag pages and sites. They were evidentally used on occasion to represent sporting teams competing under the names of North Island, South Island, etc..... User:Expatkiwi P.S., The flag of the Chatham Islands is also unofficial, yet it is displayed on a lot more websites and publications.

Your name...

Who in the world would want to be more eeyore-y? --Lord Voldemort ^{(Dark Mark)} 20:19, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

I note your user page says you are under a lot of external stress right now. That explains it. Moriori 22:04, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

VC

By no means can I provide refs--now that you've "called me" on it, I guess it should be said that my edit was a poor choice in an attempt to broaden the original adjective used: European. I was surmising that officers might be not merely European, but also Australasian, even if they were ethnically/genetically of European descent. Can you rephrase it more clearly for me in the article? Sorry and thanks for your help! --Dpr 06:14, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

slight lapse

I have reverted this edit of yours for obvious reasons. -- RHaworth 07:30, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

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db-bio tag

Hey there -- no, not necessarily. I just figured you had accidentally transcluded the tag into the talk page. I can see what you were trying to do -- the problem is that when any speedy tag gets applied to a page, it pops up on Category:Candidates for speedy deletion, where each tagged article gets evaluated by an administrator for whether or not it meets the criteria for deletion. So I saw this person's talk page listed on candidates for speedy, realized it itself doesn't need to be deleted, then nowikied the tag so that it doesn't show up on the candidates list. I would suggest that if you want to reproduce the text that gets produced by the tag, just copy and paste it in instead of using the tag. It's not wrong, really, it just creates extra work for admins patrolling pages that've been tagged as speedies. Best · Katefan0^(scribble) 14:44, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Aaaaaaaarrrrggghhhhh. Of course. Cheers Katefan0. Moriori 19:34, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

WP:RFA/SV

Please accept my deepest thanks for your words of support at my RFA. I hope I have been able to sufficiently answer any outstanding questions regarding my conduct both past and future. Sincerely, St|eve

Tea

Actually, thank you thank you thank you for helping to provide hard evidence that Smaines' preferred construction was deeply flawed. Your changes have been reverted again. You should revert once more and one of us should report it to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR or you can block him yourself, as you don't yet seem to be as involved in the argument as I am. Nohat 08:18, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

You have stumbled into a very petty edit war, started by Nohat for unfathomable reasons. You should avoid being drawn into such an absurd conflict.

As to the sentence,

This article is concerned exclusively with preparations and uses of the tea plant, Camellia sinensis, the Minnan word for which is the etymological origin of the English word tea.

...you should read it again. It is correct. -SM 08:45, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Could you please sign your contributions. It is confusing to see where you left off and I begin. At this moment, where I live it is 9.59 on Friday night (yes, Friday). That means sleepy byes. I will be back tomorrow. In the meantime, please ponder how you can explain breaching 3RR even IF you had a valid point. Moriori 09:00, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

The fact that Moriori even has to read it again is evidence enough that the construction is poor and misleading. You should just accept that it's a bad sentence that needs to be changed. Wikipedia is not an outlet for your complex syntactic acrobatics. If the writing on Wikipedia misleads readers, then it is the writing that needs changing, not the readers. Nohat 08:51, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Nohat, this sentence is hardly complex. If you find it to be "complex syntactic acrobatics", you have no business editing an encyclopedia, much less lecturing anyone on grammar and usage. Moriori misread it (the hour being what it was), and edited where he ought not to have. (-SM 09:58, 28 October 2005 (UTC))

SM, you are lucky I got out of the right side of the bed this morning otherwise I might have truly blasted you for saying I edited where I "ought not to have". It's lucky I did edit where I did because I demonstrated that it was a dreadful sentence. You continually defended it, but it was subsequently torn apart by another user, which is a win for Wikipedia standards. Moriori 23:09, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

As to my defense against a 3RR rule action, Moriori, Nohat's behaviour in this has bordered on trollish vandalism, it is he who shall have to defend his actions. Things to note,

• he has had no previous activity on this article, but suddenly swoops down to fixate on this
• he has embarrassed himself in a previous argument
• he is transparently trying to create an administrative conflict, and draw you into it
• he has consistently been pedantic and wrong on this issue (to be either is tolerable, to be both is not)
• the correctness of the sentence (your misreading notwithstanding) is self-evident, and not well-served by the proposed replacements

I have made hundreds of edits on Wikipedia. Oddly, this is the only one I have had to defend for style. I am not terribly proprietary about my contributions to Wikipedia, but Nohat's bloody-mindedness on this matter is a dumbing-down, which, for the sake of decent writing, should be resisted. There is much admiration in the Wiki community for the 1911 Encyclopedia Britanica. It is a gem in part because of the quality of the writing. I shudder at the thought of setting Nohat (or one who subscribes to his standards) loose on it to chop elegant prose into something he believes an eigth-grader would understand, oblivious to the resonnances and nuances he would be consigning to oblivion. I have no illusions that authorial voices should be strong in so collaborative a work as Wikipedia. The standards, however, should be considerably higher than those Nohat has evidenced. -SM 09:58, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

The sentence you vigourously defended no longer blights Wikipedia so most of your comment above is moot. The only person who has drawn me in to "an administrative conflict" is you. Your deliberate violation of 3RR got my hackles up. I left a note on your talk page at 21:43 warning that if you reverted the article again, you would be violating 3RR. At 21:46 you reverted, and left the the words bring it as the entire edit summary. Very well, I accept your invitation to bring it so I am listing it at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR. You are advised to read what the objects of the noticeboard are. They are solely to judge whether someone has violated the 3RR, and not to judge the merits or otherwise of the content reverted. Moriori 23:09, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Again, a more careful reading would have saved you some embarrassment, this action has already been brought be nohat. As to your friendly warning, did it occur to you that nohat has been annoying me for days, then also left me a friendly warning. The bring it was directed at him, as the charge was ridiculous and would be thrown out (as it was). Did it occur to you, awash in spurned friendliness as you no doubt were, that with a three-minute difference, I had not even seen your warning? -SM 23:39, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

That's curious. You revert MY edit, but reply to someone else in the summary. It doesn't interest me that you had been letting Nohat get under your skin for days. Even if you didn't see my warning, you must have seen Nohat's. But still you deliberately defied 3RR to bring back that dreadful sentence which you preferred. Luckily for Wikipedia, your preference was edited out of existence by someone else who was not involved. Moriori 01:03, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

NZ place names

My dual name query to Gruntness is really for Codshifh and Chalky Islands. In the LINZ database Chalky is only listed as Chalky (although there is Maori name for the Island), and Codfish is listed as Codfish Island (Whenuahou). Whereas Little Barrier and Stewart Islands are listed as their /dual names. So is Codfish a dual name or should I smiply mentiona that it also has a Maori name?--nixie 22:00, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

MAIN PAGE

DUDE! YOU FUCKED UP THE MAIN PAGE. EMERGENCY. ALERT. DO SOMETHING. [[User::|Hipocrite]] - «Talk» 22:38, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

• Second this. I assume this was a mistake? — flamingspinach | (talk) 22:40, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

• • You assume correctly. I was trying to show a newbie a page move, and she did it WITH the main page! OK, it's a disaster. H ow do I get out of this quickly. Moriori 22:43, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Everything is all fixed now. In the future, please be a bit more careful about letting other people use your account. →Raul654 22:44, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the fix Raul. I was showing a lady (part of a group) how wiki works, pointing out how everything on the left col works, was preparing to do a page move to a new title, and hit Move this page. The phone rang and I moved less than 10 ft away to answer it. Helpful soul that she is, she hit Move page - and you know the rest. Except for one thing, when she saw Hipocrite's message she totally freaked and decided instantly she no longer wants to become a wikipedian. No-one has ever before used my wiki account (or my computer for that matter) but you are correct, I should have been more careful. I apologise for not being so, and creating such mayhem. What a page to fuck up!!!!. Moriori 23:05, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh noes. Please tell her to come back! Hipocrite - «Talk» 17:16, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

ROGUE ADMIN! ROGUE ADMIN! BLOCK HIM! ~~ N (t/c) 22:46, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

It's about now I think I should archive this page. ):- Moriori 23:09, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Might I suggest if you are showing other users, you might want to use a sockpuppet. →Raul654 23:21, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

OGM BANZ0R ROUGENESS. Seriously, though, it could have been worse. She could have moved it ON WHEELS!  :) Ral315 (talk) 23:34, 1 November 2005 (UTC)