Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/archive May 2004

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Decisions in progress

Ongoing discussions

• All recipes proposed for deletion should be discussed at Talk:List of recipes/Delete (see also Wikien-l)
• Unsolved problems in biology See Talk:Unsolved problems in biology
• List of Europeans & List of EU people, see Talk:List of Europeans & Talk:List of EU people
• Add insult to injury : Deletion cannot be the right answer, as if the idiom content is removed it should simply be a redirect to the band, but that feels wrong too. Talk continues at Talk:Add insult to injury. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 09:14, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Images of Athens : Consensus is that the page should be deleted if and only if the missing images are not going to be restored. See talk. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 09:19, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)

March 25

Calicut Medical Journal

Journal edited by the above Vinod Scaria. On its talk page I had asked for any useful links to the journal and no one got back on that. Jay 05:03, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

• Their site [2] lists Vinod Scaria as Executive Editor. The journal itself appears to be obscure, but not ficticious. -- Cyrius 05:25, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. Definitely. Mkweise 07:58, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. It's a real thing. --Tagishsimon
• Keep. It's useful information. - Wguynes 20:17, Mar 30, 2004 (UTC)

starmen.net

Alexa rank is 60,000+. Unofficial fan site. Not notable. Meelar 05:11, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

• Delete - EarthBound has a link to it, which is all that is called for -- Cyrius 05:15, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete - Going to have to agree with you. No need to explain the site; it does that itself. shadow 06:01, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. Starmen.net has actually made quite a splash concerning Nintendo. Miyamoto even mentioned its petition to release Mother 3 in an interview. Also, in Nintendo Power issue 145, the fanart section (I forget what it is called) mentioned that a lot of people had drawn EarthBound pictures--"and it's not even a theme month!" This was because of Starmen.net--the staff asked visitors to draw EarthBound pictures and mail them in at a certain date. And besides, there are individual articles about certain popular webcomics, why not idividual articles about a popular site? --SMWhat 05:55, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC) P.S. I'd add all this to the article, but I am SWAMPED with schoolwork, and unable to make more than minor/smallish edits at a time.
  • Keep for now. Quinwound 07:54, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
• Delete: looks like an ad and not much more —Tkinias 08:51, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. It's not great and still a bit of an advert but much better than it was. Of interest to Nintendo players perhaps. -- Derek Ross 15:46, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Keep (well, I'm leaning towards "keep"). Given the edit activity on this article since its inception I get the distinct impression that the starmen.net website is some sort of "troll heaven" and I think it would be useful for people considering using the site to have this issue covered here in an NPOV manner. (However I've seen no mention of this facet in the article yet, though I admit I've only skimmed it.) - Hephaestos|§ 17:15, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. EarthBound is enough. ⇒ whkoh [talk] 09:34, Mar 26, 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. Let Earthbound link do for this. - Wguynes 20:18, Mar 30, 2004 (UTC)

List of cities in Niue

Probably a joke, there are only 1500 people on thed island. ping 07:25, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I doubt it's a joke - just part of the breakdown of List of cities. Now that a few more cities have been found (I thought there was only the one), I change my vote - keep. Ambivalenthysteria 12:21, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

• Move to List of city in Niue? -- Cyrius 14:46, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)

Delete. Unneccesary, will never have content. Warofdreams 15:51, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

• Keep. For consistency we should have a list per nation. — Sverdrup 19:41, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. Also, I've added the 5 others from the CIA world factbook map. Niteowlneils 02:50, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. Consistency is nice. The cities may not be large, but they are the main settlements on the island. —Bkell 03:00, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Keep - consistency is a good thing when you don't have to do something stupid to achieve it. -- Cyrius 04:50, Mar 26, 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. But if the page does stay, it should be renamed to something like "List of communities in Niue". MK 04:56, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)
  • Maybe; are these incorporated as cities? Sometimes defined cities can be quite small. --Daniel C. Boyer 20:16, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Keep as an article, though I agree that a renaming may be in order. They are the principal settlements and deserve an article, but calling them "cities" may be misleading. pne 17:02, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Comment. I've found sites that list 17 and 21 total cities/towns for Nuie, so presumably these are the bigger ones. I also found this map with 25 named cities/towns/villages[3]. Niteowlneils 01:59, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)
  • 25 named places, perhaps, but a number of them are more "features" (caves, points, etc.) than settlements. --pne 16:10, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• I found a website that listed the largest towns in Niue and their 2004 populations.
  • Alofi - 620
  • Hakupu - 210
  • Tamakautoga - 130
  • Mutalau - 120
  • Tuapa - 120
  • Avatele - 120

MK 16:32, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

• Keep. Appears legit to me. - Wguynes 20:20, Mar 30, 2004 (UTC)

Aggemam

• Tagged as speedy delete, but probably not so. --Jiang 07:49, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. Dicdef, seems unlikely to expand. Warofdreams 15:40, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Delete -- Cyrius 20:19, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. A dictionary definition? - Wguynes 20:24, Mar 30, 2004 (UTC)

Ratshit

Dictionary definition, not much else. Fuzheado 11:00, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

• Redir Australian English. Dysprosia 11:02, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect -- Cyrius 14:55, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete it, mate. Stands to reason redir is Sydney to a bob to give people a real bum steer as to what you blokes meant. I mean think of it, just because ratshit might be strine, now that doesn't make strine ratshit, does it? And fair go, are you about to make a redir for every slang term under the sun? What is this, bush week? At the very least, say rs instead, there may be sheilas around. Andrewa 23:38, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
    • That was neat! What language was it? -- Cyrius 04:58, Mar 26, 2004 (UTC)
      • Strine, aka occer, is the dialect of spoken Australian English that Fred Dag and Paul Hogan both used to great comic effect. The word was popularised (but not invented) in the title of the book Let Stalk Strine, and is an attempt to phoneticise the local (!) pronunciation of "Australian". I do know people, both city and country, who speak like this normally and with no intent of humour, in fact I believe Paul Hogan is a native speaker, that's what is so funny. And I'm serious about no redir, I think it's mildly offensive and unnecessary. Put it in the article by all means. No big deal, just my opinion. Andrewa 21:11, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)
        • My question was intended as a joke :) -- Cyrius | Talk 01:36, Mar 27, 2004 (UTC)
• Not sure there's anything worth merging, probably redir if not delete. Warofdreams 15:34, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
  • I was thinking a one-line entry in Australian English's vocabulary section -- Cyrius 04:59, Mar 26, 2004 (UTC)

Question

Dic defn moved here from speedy deletions - this is not a vote. theresa knott 13:48, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

• Keep. There's lost of philosophy surrounding "questions". I do favour a revert to my original; the link to list of famous questions doesn't do it any good. Jfdwolff 15:01, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. Agree with Jfdwolff. Warofdreams 15:32, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Change my vote to Keep, due to added content.--Woggly 09:18, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. Seems more like a dictionary definition. Sander123 15:39, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• I do not think a page which may include a good study on to be or not to be, that is the question, ought to be deleted. Keep and let's hope someone will improve it. Pfortuny 15:59, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Delete - there's nothing there. If anybody decides they want to do a philosophical treatment of questions, they can make a new one. -- Cyrius 20:22, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
• Keep and list on cleanup. Good topic, some good material and some mistakes, already more than a stub. Andrewa 23:18, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. Grammar good missing tonal indicator? Could cover more topics e.g. learning & teaching with questions, children. -- Zigger 20:42, 2004 Mar 28 (UTC)
• Keep. An important concept in research, as well as education. I've put in a little about them. --zandperl 04:10, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

List of famous questions

• links only
• Delete. I vote for deletion. This is just a silly list. Sander123 14:37, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. Actually I deleted it several times already as a candidate for speedy deletion (wikipedia is not a link repository), but the author complained calling me a "cop" so I stopped to delete instantanously. andy 14:49, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. Incoherent list and some unspecified links. Jfdwolff 15:01, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. This version is just silly. However, if someone were to make it a list of important philosophical questions, then I would reconsider my vote. Average Earthman 15:05, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. Complete rubbish. Saul Taylor 15:06, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Delete with extreme prejudice. RickK | Talk 15:54, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. Original humour by various anons. Very funny, there should be a place for this but it ain't us. Consider protecting if the VfD notice goes AWOL again. Andrewa 16:21, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• D. Don't forget to add it to BJAODN — Sverdrup 19:43, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Delete Tuf-Kat 21:31, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
• Move to Wikipedia:Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense. - Fennec 01:59, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. The (anonymous) user who made this is some sort of loon. Check out his edits in "Question" and an admin's user talk. Ashibaka 03:17, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. Silly. DJ Clayworth 18:12, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. - Wguynes 20:25, Mar 30, 2004 (UTC)

====Rimur==== dic def. Move to Wiktionary. - UtherSRG 14:01, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

• Keep. Could be turned into a respectable article, given time. —Frecklefoot 15:22, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
• A perfect example of why "dictionary definition" should not be grounds for deletion. How else can stubs begin? This is an important topic in the music of Iceland, probably made by someone following a redlink from that page. Smerdis of Tlön 15:27, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. Looks a lot like the perfect stub. Warofdreams 15:30, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Keep, now a good stub. Earlier versions were deletable however as substubs IMO. Andrewa 16:13, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Keep stub -- Cyrius 20:25, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)

Lucky Penny Productions

Commercial ad or vanity page, not famous. Toby W 14:41, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

• Delete. Abigail 14:47, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
• Even if said company was famous or meaningful in their contribution, this article is pure advert and must go! --Pete Richardson 14:48, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. After reading it I still don't know what they actually do. Saul Taylor 15:04, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Delete - advert. And not a good advert at that. Average Earthman 15:06, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Delete immediately - Why should we give them a week's free exposure ? This is an obvious, no apology advert. -- Derek Ross
• Delete. Advert by anon, no history. IMO speedy is the way to go, but I guess we're still not agreed on this. Andrewa 17:03, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Delete it twice for being such a terrible ad. -- Cyrius 20:28, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
• Delete unless seriously, seriously cleaned up. -- Fennec 02:04, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Ioannis G. Tsatsaris

Discussion continued at Talk:Ioannis G. Tsatsaris/Delete.

Spofi Interviews

Huh? It's junk. -- user:zanimum

• Delete- possibly merge. It links to SpoFi, which should itself redirect to SportsFilter, which also looks questionable (but cleanup-type questionable, not VFD). Other links include red-broken-links and a copyvio or two. Fennec 16:12, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Delete, and look seriously at SportsFilter. This series of articles promotes a particular weblog site which claims 1,000 members. So, do we also list every Yahoo group as soon as its membership hits 1,000? How about individual usenet groups? Andrewa 16:48, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Delete ad -- Cyrius 05:09, Mar 26, 2004 (UTC)

• I got this last night from the creator of the article...
  

Hey Zanimum --
Being the person that created and built the content for most of the SportsFilter related stuff, I just wanted to drop you a line and say go ahead and delete. Being new to the Wiki scene, I/we hadn't realized the nature of this site. We weren't using Wikipedia for self-promotion, just wanted to have a source for new members to come to to learn a bit about the site. Sorry for being a pain in the ass. We're now looking at building and hosting our own Wiki on our site. Thanks and again, apologies.
Ufez Jones.

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First 100000 digits of pi

• Delete. PrimeFan 20:58, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense

Who deleted my text and why? Why it was replaced by this msg:vfd nonsense? Administrator 22:13, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

• Sorry, I screwed up the transfer to MediaWiki. Should be fixed now. Please engage in all debate on this item's MediaWiki page. -- Friedo 22:25, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

March 29

Antimachiavel

• Keep now. RickK | Talk 06:22, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

March 30

SteinSchloss

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Medical board

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Value of life

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Sessile

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Antenna theory

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Anthony Ballantyne

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This is a stub about a non-famous teacher, probably added by one of his pupils. DJ Clayworth 14:55, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

• Delete. There are some Anthony Ballantynes in the news, but this isn't one of them. Niteowlneils 15:57, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Delete - as above - Texture 16:15, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
• Delete -- Cyrius | Talk 20:56, Mar 30, 2004 (UTC)

Floptical

While fine in content, I can't see this growing into anything more than a stub. All the information that could be added to it probably already exists in Magneto-optical drive. I can't see this becoming anything more than a dictionary definition. —Frecklefoot 19:46, Mar 30, 2004 (UTC)

• Redirect to Magneto-optical drive -- Cyrius | Talk 20:55, Mar 30, 2004 (UTC)

Imperial Post, Duchy of Natatoria, Pinica

These pages refer to a supposed nation that exists only in the minds of its perpetrators. UninvitedCompany 21:30, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Natatoria

Supposed disambigutation for Duchy of Natatoria, but the other page doesn't exist. UninvitedCompany 21:44, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Pilgrim River Estates

A stub for a housing subdivision with no meaningful content. UninvitedCompany 21:59, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Ryan's Password Protection System

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Propelling pencil

Orphan, redirect to pencil with no history or rationale. -- UninvitedCompany 22:18, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Consequences

Stub with no useful content. -- UninvitedCompany 22:32, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

WHAT Are You Going To Do About It

Stub, unencyclopedic. -- UninvitedCompany 22:35, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Subtle energy

Began life as a copy or copyright violation of Subtle Energy, had a brief dispute about accuracy, then an anonymous user plastered something completely different on top. I don't see how we can be NPOV about such a cranky, unusual term.

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