User talk:Izehar

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Answer

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Izehar

I've added some links and bolded the subject of the article as per our style. By the way, isn't the Bible Hebrew by definition or am I way off base there? - Mgm|^(talk) 18:19, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Template/Workshop

You, or any Wikipedia user, can contribute your suggestions and comments to the /Workshop page of any active arbitration case. Comments on evidence or proposals can help in understanding the import of evidence and in refining proposals. Proposed principles, findings of fact, or remedies may be listed on /Proposed decision and form part of the final decision. Fred Bauder 18:54, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Clarification

Well, for starters, I need someone to copy that request for assistance from the talk page to the project page. anthony 17:06, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Reform Judaism

I think your edit is great. Zargulon 23:55, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Law

Thanks for signing up - your cases look good (though the real authorities are on Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Supreme Court cases, but they don't deal with UK law). Also check out Portal:Law, where we welcome any suggestions for improvement. Cheers! BDAbramson T 19:53, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

• This project covers all sorts of law, but it's been more black letter oriented than case law oriented.BDAbramson T 20:11, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your welcome to Esperanza

Thanks for your welcome note. --Samivel 17:29, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

I am still learning how things work here, but have gathered quite a bit of information since I began editing some time in April. There is still a great deal I don't know.

To answer your questions about my username--

At first I was anonymous and was identified by the IP of the computer I work on, 66.114.86.135. It's part of a network that has other users, all of whom have this IP. Sometimes I forget to use the automatic login and the IP comes up again. It happened today.

Next I felt I should use my real name, and I got a real username: Arnold_Perey or arnold_perey, I don't remember which.

After that I noticed other people were using less literal names and I went to Aperey.

Last month, I asked an administrator if I could change my username altogether, because whenever my signature was recognized in Talk pages for the article on Aesthetic Realism, which I am working on, three or four of the other editors began snarling and writing prose they couldn't be proud of. He said I could change it--I wouldn't violate any Wikipedia rules--so I did. It's now Samivel. Of course the other editors realized it immediately, and little came of it except more snarls that look a little like "sockpuppet."

Now you have a username history from me which I'm sure is more than anyone wants to know. But it's an interesting history and has quite a bit of humanity in it.

I'm an anthropologist and a teacher of the philosophy Aesthetic Realism, which was founded by the poet and critic Eli Siegel in 1941. It's a philosophy and body of knowledge that I value very, very much.

Best regards, and thanks for asking, Arnold Perey --Samivel 21:23, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice. I will be leaving a note for the administrators as per your suggestion. I'll also ask them how to transfer my history of edits to my new username because there's too many to lose.--Samivel 16:27, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Move of "Low German languages"

Hi Izehar

You've added your support to the a move that has already been executed last July. You may have intended to add your support to the move of Low German languages to Low Germanic languages. If this is what you really intended to do, then you should add your support to Talk:Low German languages#Requested move to (Low Germanic languages). I'm telling you because it is my fault that there is more than one move discussion on that page. -- j. 'mach' wust | ✍ 01:00, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

ISP

When chastising vandals, please refer to an ISP as Internet service provider - ISP leads to a disambiguation page. Thanks for the good work. Josh Parris # 06:09, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Just wanted to drop by and thank you for taking the time to comment on my RfA. unsigned by Jareth (talk · contribs) - post left at 14:43, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I did several thank yous at a time and forgot to sign this one. I appreciate your comments, but have to disagree. I'm not certain if you saw the notes about the 300 or so messages I've answered at helpdesk-l or looked at my response to the fourth question. While that's not technically "on-wiki", its certainly assisting the users. There's also several very good examples of my mediation skills in my edit history, in fact, the anon that posted on my RfA is one of those. I'm not effusive; I don't run around on talk pages just for the sake of doing so and I've really been highly dissapointed that quantity is being valued over quality. I really appreciate the viewpoint though and its certainly made me spend more time chatting on talk pages recently. Thanks again for the comments! .:.Jareth.:. ^babelfish 16:19, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

I appreciate you reconsidering, I know its difficult to guess the measure of a person based on statistics. I suppose that's why I haven't voted on any RfAs unless I had worked with the person. Anyways, thanks again. .:.Jareth.:. ^babelfish 18:31, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

GraemeL's RFA

Hi Izehar,

I am now an administrator and would like to thank you for your support on my RfA. I was very surprised at the number of votes and amount of and kind comments that I gathered. Please don't hesitate to contact me if I mess up in the use of my new powers. --GraemeL ^(talk) 15:55, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Spurious edits

I just wanted to tell you that there are edits going on like removing Macedonian names from Greek towns, changing Republic of Macedonia to FYRM etc. They are done from changing IP numbers, each change done with a separate IP number. Check Florina, Drama, Greece. Andreas 16:44, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks-2

Looks like I didn't revert back quite far enough on Israel. Thanks for catching my oversight. – ClockworkSoul 18:45, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

• I already blocked one user for vandalizing Israel today. If there are more, we'll be sure to put a stop to it. – ClockworkSoul 18:55, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

MONGO RfA

I apprecate your support vote on my RfA. I was promoted and I think they didn't count your vote as it was after the deadline. Regardless, thank you for taking the time to cast your vote. Let me know if there is anything I can do for you!--MONGO 09:33, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Nixer

well, he is a repeat offender, reverted six times, and has a history of months of trolling. 48h is lenient, taking in consideration that I am involved (if rolling back blockheaded trolling is 'involvement'). If I happened on the user without previous involvement, I would have blocked him for a week for his utter inability to respect the most basic rules. Just have a look at Talk:Proto-Indo-European language, and at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Nixer and E Pluribus Anthony if that isn't enough. If you happen to disagree with the block, though, I suppose that makes it a fact that the block is disputed, regardless of what I think, and you are free to reset it to 24h for a simple 3RRvio. dab (ᛏ) 13:28, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

What is wrong with Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Nixer and E Pluribus Anthony ? The mediation came successful, my point of view winned both mediation and voting and at the end we all came to the full consensus.--Nixer 15:44, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

It's ok! I really appreciate your integrity, Izehar, and I am grateful for your comment on AN/I, because I care about staying on the right side of policy. Regarding Nixer, maybe I am overreacting. It's just that I've had to deal with his kind several times before, so it's really all very predictable and boring. I had resolved to not let that sort of thing waste my time again (time that I would prefer to spend on expanding articles), and yet again, some time has been wasted. We called him to cite academic references tens of times now. At this point, I will simply not enter a discussion with him on any topic, until he presents references that would be acceptable in a scientific paper. Just rolling him back may seem harsh, but that's the context, and it's the rollback button until he does come forward with something citeable. regards, dab (ᛏ) 21:18, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

I've just come to make the same points as dab. Nixer has repeatedly violated the 3RR (he's been blocked three or four times in under three months, and has violated it on a number of occasions when he hasn't been blocked), and 24-hour blocks don't seem to have any effect on him. Judging from what I've seen, he's heading for something rather more permanent than a 48-hour block if he doesn't change his behaviour. I feel that lifting the block would send him the wrong message. From your increasingly exasperated tone on his Talk page I judge that you're running out of patience with him too, but if you feel that you have any influence with him, he really does ned to be calmed down. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:15, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Template:Philosophy (navigation) RfC

We have a content dispute issue. Please comment on the talk page. This message is being sent out to everyone who didn't vote Delete in the last TfD of the template, ie: User:SimonP User:Jules.lt User:Pjacobi User:thames User:Michael User:Christopherparham User:FranksValli User:Silence User:Andymussell User:Moosh88 User:Rick Norwood User:Izehar unsigned by Infinity0 (talk · contribs) - post left at 00:28, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

RfA thanks

I'd like to thank you for your support of my RfA. As I wrote, I was looking forward to feedback from the community, and I would like to let you know that you should please feel free to leave any further feedback for me you may have for me in the future at my Talk page. Thanks again. Jkelly 09:03, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Urgent deletion issue

Hi, I created the Philosophy (navigation) template, and I voted for saving it too (as an IP). However, when I duplicated the template to adopt a new tag name, Infinity0 had a cow. We've been in an edit war since I started the template, and we escalated our battle to TfD, which was a big mistake, for now the whole project (both templates) is at risk because some people are voting to delete both. Meanwhile Infinity0 and I are voting to delete each other's TfD candidates, ironically pushing the delete votes for both templates into the majority. We need your help. Neither of us want both templates to die.

Here are the reasons to choose the "Philosophy Quick Topic Guide" tag:

• Both templates are identical, as changes are ported after each round of disputes, to keep them that way. We've nearly come to a compromise on the few edits that we are still at odds over, but Infinity0 is one stubborn kid. Our competition has improved the template continuously, which is a good thing.
• The conversion of the old tag to the new tag is complete.
  • The new tag has placement in Wikipedia articles. It is hooked in to the top level of the Philosophy hierarchy, and then some.
  • The old tag has virtually no placement in any Wikipedia articles. It's discussion page link sits on a bunch of users' talk pages, and that's about it. And since I placed most of the old tags, it didn't seem out of place for me to upgrade them.
• Since the content of the templates are identical, and the fact that jousting will continue on whichever template wins, it makes sense to vote for the one that maintains the project's presence on Wikipedia.

Please vote to save the template: click here. For further discussions click here

Go for it! 04:05, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Sean Black RfA

Thank you very much for your support of my RfA. Thanks, in part, to you, I am now an Administrator, and I pledge to use my newfound powers for good rather than evil. Thanks again!--Sean|Black 08:24, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

"vandalism"

Deleting an editor's comments from a talk page (even if it looks like a grafitti), cannot be labeled (in your edit summary) as "reverting vandalism" etc. While the talk pages are (in theory) for discussing the article, different rules apply to them, than the rules that apply to the "Main" namespace. Take care! (even if you considered that "graffiti" as a PA, your labeling it as vandalism and propaganda could also be characterised as a PA, and that's a long loop that we can avoid) +MATIA ☎ 12:35, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

You are right that my interpretation of NPA is kinda strict, check ArbCom (related to this comment of mine) to get an idea why. Take care! +MATIA ☎ 13:30, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Northumbrian dialects

Fella, I'd be happy to edit an article but I really don't have the time or knowledge on the subject to create one from scratch. Let me know how you want to go with this. If you can dump a load of source material on me, I'll gladly see if I can organise it. IainP (talk) 17:42, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you, very much, administrator for that barnstar!My first Barnstar! Although, may you pardon my ignorence and tell me the reason for this occasion? HolyRomanEmperor 15:41, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Halibutt's RfA

Thanks. WikiThanks.

I would like to express my thanks to all the people who took part in my (failed) RfA voting. I was both surprised and delighted about the amount of support votes and all the kind words! I was also surprised by the amount of people who stated clearly that they do care, be it by voting in for or against my candidacy. That's what Wiki community is about and I'm really pleased to see that it works.
As my RfA voting failed with 71% support, I don't plan to reapply for adminship any more. However, I hope I might still be of some help to the community. Cheers! Halibutt 05:10, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! Halibutt 16:52, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I am both. I lived in both states, and I have both citizenships. I was born in one, but I currently live in the other. HolyRomanEmperor 19:16, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Born in the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (on the territory currently under Croatia), currently in Serbia and Montenegro. unsigned by HolyRomanEmperor (talk · contribs) - post left at 19:35, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Portal:England

nice one setting up an England portal - didn't seem quite right that Scotland had one for them without England having one...

Anyway, I'm pretty much running Portal:London, so some collaborative efforts for London-related topics would be quite nice... and perhaps try not to overlap the England page with London too much...

Having said that, all of ours overlap P:UK!!!

I should also mention that I felt obliged to remove England from the namespace because it did not qualify under the terms of WPT:P. While I did not want to do it, it seems like double-standards to let a portal I support have preferential treatment. Once the England page is complete (i.e. full of links, categories, etc. and no redlinks) then just whack it back in.

All the best, Deano 21:29, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

My adminship nom.

Thank you. I had, for various reasons, vowed not to consider an adminship until December, so you're a day early - I'll need a day or two to put together my responses in any event, so I suppose this works out. I should give you fair warning that you'll probably draw the ire (tho lighthearted ire) of a half-dozen or so folks who had vowed to nominate me around this time tomorrow. I shall do my best to avoid raising consternation through this process! Thanks again. BDAbramson T 00:12, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

• As promised, I have accepted your nomination! Cheers! BDAbramson T 00:23, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the barnstar! How did you find me? I haven't been editing for a while.

Note my sig is temporarily broken: Prodego 18:43, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

1st Jan 2006

I thought it(finding me) might have to do with the support vote I placed on BDAbramson's RfA. unsigned by Prodego (talk · contribs) - post left at 18:51, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Hey!

Thanks for the surreal barnstar. It makes me feel very happy to be appreciated on Wikipedia, what is a "wild card, though"? εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 21:59, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

(given as a part of my Holiday season gifts to every Wikipedian whom I give a message to). Tchau! εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 21:59, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I guess so, oh crap, I guess you are my new barnstar "giver outer" competition. Usually, most Wikipedians don;t like giving them out or think that they are a waste of time. I like people that take the time to give them away, so I say thanks. I don't. Take care. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 22:20, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Changed up the barnstar to a kindness one, you deserve more than must a regular one. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 22:24, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for my first barnstar BTW. I am planning to give MARMOT (talk · contribs) a barnstar for overcoming his vandal urges - hope you don't beat me to it ;-) Izehar 22:27, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Nope I won't beat you to it, sorry but I may not be able to post yours on my page as there are too many. I am waiting to add my twentieth for the one I always wanted, the Tireless Contributor Award. I hope that doesn't sound selfish or evil. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 22:39, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!-2

Thanks for the very unexpected Barnstar. While I'm not sure exactly what I did to deserve it, I am grateful nonetheless. Was there something specific that you thought I did well? Where was I kind that I might not have otherwise been? I'm not fishing for compliments, but rather looking for ways to keep up the good work, and examples are always helpful. Thanks. --LV ^{(Dark Mark)} 22:43, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, it is good that my user name caught your attention... it does stand out. But as to the matter of personal attacks, I actually have made a couple of personal attacks early in my WP career, but am sorry and have moved past that. If you really want to know what I am referring to, I'm sure you could search and find them. But thanks anyways. Cheers. --LV ^{(Dark Mark)} 14:31, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar

Hey, can I hang it on my front page? Thanks for the award, by the way, haha... VMORO 23:12, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I hanged it:-)))). Thank you again!!! VMORO 23:21, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks-3

Hi Izehar. Just dropping by to thank you for your welcome note and the few good pointers you offered me. See you around, eh? :o) --MrMiagi 14:22, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Merci

Thanks for another barnstar! That is the one I always wanted. You really are a kind person:

THANKS! εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 15:01, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Land Registration Act 2002

It looks good, but a but sparse - I'm not as far up on UK law as I'd like to be, so I'm assuming that the provisions you've noted are actual changes as opposed to renewals or codifications of existing practice. Also, one of the sources you've cited suggests controversy with respect to the adverse possession provisions, but hasn't the UK long had that in its laws? Is there other controversy raised by this law? Finally, is there a formal citation (as we have with U.S. statutes by reference to the United States Code or the Public Laws? I note that the Acts of the UK Parliament 2002 website has both an alphabetical list and a numerical list, and I was wondering about the significance of the latter. Cheers! BDAbramson T 16:29, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

• P.S. Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/BDAbramson is going quite well - I'm stunned by the turnout! Thank you again for the nom. BDAbramson T 16:44, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Tedernst RFA

Thanks for your support! Tedernst | Talk 22:27, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thanks Izehar. I really appreciate your gesture! I know that curiousity killed the cat but I am curious to know about 2 things. what did I do to deserve it, was there any particular thingie?. And please what does מזל טוב in Hebrew means?. Again, thanks mate! -- Svest 23:33, 1 December 2005 (UTC)  ^{Wiki me up™}

Nice! Well, it was you the discoverer ;) I am sorry to declare that I didn't understand Mazal Tov, dang, dang! -- Cheers -- Svest 23:54, 1 December 2005 (UTC)  ^{Wiki me up™}

I am one of the 400,000-500,000 exiled, killed and evacuated from Croatia. HolyRomanEmperor 16:31, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

They didn't like my religion, and several other things. HolyRomanEmperor 16:39, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Orthodox Christianity HolyRomanEmperor 16:48, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Not one of those (but Yugoslav would be the most correct) You see, there were plenty of Catholic Serbs, and even some Orthodox Croats. Until the union. The union destroyed all nations, so the only way for the nationalist power-hungry demagogues to differ Serbs from Croats and vice versa would be religion. In other words, its recent (and artificial) HolyRomanEmperor 16:55, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

No, Karlovac, the most Yugoslav (mixed) city of Yugoslavia. Ofcourse I would return if I would be given the chance (and if to which I could return would be restored to me, if you know what I mean) HolyRomanEmperor 17:03, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hi Izehar,

I would like to thank you for your kind support on my RfA. I'll do my best to be a good administrator. If you need anything, or if I ever do something wrong with my new powers, please contact me. Mushroom 17:09, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

A third is over there; a third lives here and a third is underground. It is worthless. We have spent over eight years spending money on lawers and filling applications, but they just say two things: 1) Croatia is a state with many problems and cannot deal with you just now and 2) you have no grounds to request your material ownership and/or reperation demands HolyRomanEmperor 17:20, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

We have hired a lawyer, but he was known in Croatia as a četnik lawyer because of his Serbian ethnicity; so we switched to a Croatian one... who appearently only wanted to "eat" our money. HolyRomanEmperor 17:22, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

They say that we left our apartment, and did not return for eight months, which renders the apartment constitutionally and legally confiscated by the Croatian government. HolyRomanEmperor 17:24, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

When our lawyer lodged an appeal stating that the Government of Croatia gave the apartment to another citizen that moved in two months after we left; the judge said that it is irrelevant in our case, and that we must obey the law of Croatia (eight months limit of absence). HolyRomanEmperor 17:26, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

We have also requested reperation demands for our houses and permission to sell our lands in Croatia (you cannot without the government's approval); we were granted that, but under the condition that we permanently return, and that we would only be given the material for the damage done. HolyRomanEmperor 17:28, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

And any sort of a financial... the judge says that since the Government "announced that it respects all nations of Croatia" before the war, we didn't need to leave; and for the ethnic cleansing camp - claims that it was only a relocation for the better commodities of non-national peoples. HolyRomanEmperor 17:31, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Exactly, we have already spent our life's savings of several thousand euros in those eight years. Conclusion - Croatia has no ambition to accept the refugees HolyRomanEmperor 17:35, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, I said that a third lives there, and I go there every summer. HolyRomanEmperor 17:36, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

It sounds nice :) but will remain a dream. HolyRomanEmperor 17:49, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

One of the two main goals of the war was to get rid of the Serbian people... I see no point now (from their POV) to return them :))) HolyRomanEmperor 18:09, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

The Serbs comprised some 15% perhaps of the population of the Socialist Republic of Croatia. Thez constituated a majority (and held as private ownership) between 30% and 40% of Croatia's territory. The constitution stated that Croatia is the nation-state of Croats and Serbs. The 1990 new constitution banned the use of cyrillics (serbian letter) in the traffics in Croatia; changed the official Croatian or Serbian language simply to Croatian language and worst, placed the Serbs as a national minority (from the constitutional level) HolyRomanEmperor 18:13, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Me too. HolyRomanEmperor 18:15, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Besides, if they went all the trouble to do that. Why would they get in trouble returning them? Imagine what would that mean; three aoutonomous provinces would have to be created (just like Kosovo) on the soil of Croatia, Serbs would again be a constititional nation; and the Serbian language official. 11,000 Croats died fighting against that. Would they undermine their losses? HolyRomanEmperor 18:17, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

No, firstly it was impossible to traverse between Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Serbia and Montenegro. As the war passed beyond, Croatia and BiH allowed passage without visa. BiH gave that privilege to SCG just now (before you could move only to the Serb Republic, one of the two entities of BiH) and trevelling between Croatia and Serbia and Montenegro is still very difficult. HolyRomanEmperor 18:31, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I would be extremly grateful if you could do that, my friend. Could do that for the first half of the talk page? Thanks in advance! :) HolyRomanEmperor 18:39, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks anyway :) HolyRomanEmperor 18:47, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi Izehar,

Thanks for voting to support my RfA. I wasn't expecting an unopposed promotion (I thought I'd hit some die-hard edit-counters at least) and I'm touched by the trust shown in me. I'll try my best to continue to earn that trust. But first, I'll have to work on not sounding like a politician; that last sentence was awful. Oh well. Let me know when I screw something up with the shiny new buttons. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 05:44, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

RfA thanks

I would like to thank you for your support of my recent successful RfA. If you have any further comments or feedback for me, my door's open - don't hesistate to drop a note on my talk page. Happy editing! Enochlau 11:15, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

I find something quitte ironic. 80% of Jewish Yugoslavs were ethnicly cleansing by the Ustashas during World War II, and aside from that, there were no more conflicts with Jews on these lands. I mean, anti-semitism was fierce in Catholic lands like Spain and in some Protestant as well; while here, Jews enjoyed greater autonomy while (we) the Byzantines ruled the Holy Land. And yet, the number of Jews in Orthodox (Balkan) countries is minimal. I find this very ironic. HolyRomanEmperor 13:17, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Shreshth91's RfA

Hello Izehar,

I just wanted to thank you for supporting me on my RfA. It finally closed with a tally of 22/0/0. I hope I can live up to the expectations of the entire community. If you ever need anything, please just let me know. Cheers!--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 00:53, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Ma'alot

Hi Izehar: See the mess about the Ma'alot article [1] Can you correct it? Thanks. IZAK 10:00, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Didn't want to start a new section here, but just wanted to say thanks for bringing up the issue to the admin notice board. I didn't because I didn't know about the noticeboard, sorry... just thought when a move request template was posted on a page, an admin would eventually review it because of the category, in the same way as Speedy Deletion. As for kh vs h, I think HET/HA are more often transliterated to 'ch' than 'kh', which avoids confusion between HET/KHAF, and HA/H'A. -- Ynhockey 12:25, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Category:Cities with significant Arab Israeli populations

Hi Izehar: Please see the Vote for Deletion (vfd) for Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 December 4#Category:Cities with significant Arab Israeli populations. Thank you. IZAK 12:10, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!

Now that my RfA is fully and officially completed, I want to thank you for your support. I appreciate your confidence that I can do the job. -- SCZenz 18:12, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Don't worry

Don't worry User:Decius is User:Alexander_007 and I strongly recommend this man! He is so valuable and maybe too modest. He will be elected for sure, and I invite you also to vote for him. We need such Admins like Alexander. -- Bonaparte talk & contribs 18:44, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

RFA for TheParanoidOne

Hello Izehar. Thanks for the vote of confidence in my RFA. I have now officially received the badge, so I shall try my best to be a good administrator. Thanks again. --TheParanoidOne 19:59, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Mindmatrix scam adminship

I have recently been granted greater access to your systems, and can begin the process of salvaging the sensitive information from my politically unstable land, as I promised. Please accept this loonie as a token of faith that I will conduct myself as required to complete our transaction. Thank you for your support. Mindmatrix 20:38, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Barnstars

Thanks very much! I'll add those to my user page... :-) -- ChrisO 20:49, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Cnwb's RfA

Izehar,

Thanks so very much for supporting my Request for Admin. The final result was 38/0/0. I'm looking forward to spending my summer holidays shut away in a darkened room, drinking G&Ts and playing with my new tools ;-) Please accept this Tim Tam as a token of my gratitude. Cnwb 22:54, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you very much indeed for my barnstar. I really do appreciate it.--Mais oui! 00:19, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Seeming contradiction on your user page...

===>Post-modernism vs. Racism Under the POV on various issues, you claim that "There is no absolute truth for me; even the most hardened facts are open to interpretation," and go on to state "I am dogmatically opposed to racism (including anti-Semitism)." How can you claim that there is no absolute truth, and then dogmatically be opposed to racism? Isn't it possible that Jews are morally and genetically inferior in one's construction of fact, and therefore true to that individual? I suppose the larger question becomes what's the point of standing for or against anything if you are a post-modernist? Wouldn't even post-modernism itself be not necessarily true? Justin (koavf) 03:17, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

===>Thanks for the speedy response Here's hoping for a swift and bloodless establishment of a Palestinian state. Justin (koavf) 14:36, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

fascist anon

Hi!

Please look at this: [[2]], there is a fascist anon, can you help please? -- Bonaparte talk & contribs 18:57, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

He changed until now 5-6 IPs: user:81.182.194.197 user:81.182.104.136 user:81.182.195.63 user:81.182.20.159 user:81.182.108.116 user:81.182.194.197.... Can you report to somebody or to an admin? I am not admin. -- Bonaparte talk & contribs 19:02, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Everyday he makes these edits: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=81.182.194.197 -- Bonaparte talk & contribs 19:03, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I have detected that is from Szombathely, Hungary. -- Bonaparte talk & contribs 19:09, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Dear, Izehar! A possibility is to protect the pages. This anon seems that he does not will to reach consensus. -- Bonaparte talk 18:49, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

• I'm interested where do you know that i'm a fascist from? I think you are the fascist, because don't let the justice predominate... I'm not fascist, not irredentist, not nationalist: and i will not tell it again, learn it at once

There is a club in Hungary, where only geniouses can join in. And the forum of the site of this club there is a rule: Who at first call the other fascist, communist etc. that lost the discussion. I think it is a good rule... (I'm regrettably not a member of this club) And by the way, I'm not from Szombathely... unsigned by 81.182.144.238 (talk · contribs) - post left at 18:55, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Alright

Well Izehar, whether we realized it or not, we worked together toward a temporary solution. Peace, Shalom, Alexander 007 22:05, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey,

Thanks for the barnstar. Would you believe it, its my first one. Many thanks. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 23:35, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Been here since the February 2002!!! Oh my gawd! I didn't realise it was that long!!! FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 23:40, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

You're fine

No. That is the exact user that template was designed for. Jimbo and the arbcom are aware of him. He has been blocked indefinitely by their orders. By 'no legal threats' they mean 'don't threaten to sue someone if you can't get your way on wikipedia.' That template doesn't do that. It warns a user that defamation is an offence and they can be sued for defaming someone. AFAIK your usage was spot on. If ever a user comes on either posting defamatory attacks in edit summaries or by virtue of their names, block them indefinitely and post that template. (I have emailed members of the arbcom and Jimbo directly to alert them to the template. If anyone raises an issue about your usage of it, tell them to speak to me, and that Jimbo has been informed about the existence of the template and the rare reasons why it might be used.) It should be fine, I would say. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 00:36, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Edit on Bush page

I'm a long-time user of wikipedia but new to editing, granted, and look forward to exploring the technical nuances of the editing process. That said, don't you think my very minor edit to the Bush entry is a valid one? Trojanpony 13:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

The problems with the anon

I'd recommend posting this on the administrators noticeboard. Actually I'm going to do that myself. I'll let Bonaparte know too. I'm doing this because we just can't protect 4 pages. Hopefully there's a better way. If not, we'll protect the pages. --Woohookitty^{(cat scratches)} 19:40, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

George W. Bush

I'm wondering why you reverted Trojanpony's edit to George W. Bush. It was legitimate, I have restored it. Please don't revert edits just because they are made by a new user. -Greg Asche (talk) 21:12, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Ah, okay, I didn't know that it was previously reverted by someone else. I'll contact Geni. Thanks for letting me know. -Greg Asche (talk) 21:18, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Erm... Why did you just revert this? Please read edits more carefully before you revert them. If there was some reason for that, please let me know--Sean|Black 21:25, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Ah. Sorry if that sounded rude above, and thanks for explaining. I never would of guessed that there were too many people watching the article for vandalism :). Thanks again--Sean|Black 21:31, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the Barnster

Izehar, thanks for the Barnster!!! There's tremendous misconceptions about Hinduism in the West and being an American of Indian origin, I was determined to change the impression. I hope that I least tried on wikipedia.

I have many Jewish friends and I am fascinated by how Jews and Hindus and maybe the Chinese are the only three ancient peoples who have maintained their culture and traditions for thousands of years. Everyone talks about Egyptian, Roman and Greek civilization of the past but do they exist today? The prayers Jews and Hindus pray today were the same prayers said by our ancestors four thousand years ago!!

Raj2004 23:53, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, Izehar, Hinduism was under assault because much of India was ruled by foreign invaders, the Muslims, some of them intolerant, and the Christian British. They had to denigrate our religion and customs in order to rule. That's part of the reason why Hinduism is so misunderstood. Even most Hindus don't really understand the religion. As I have written, Hinduism divided into four denominations.

Reincarnation is closely tied with karma. It is related to the problem of evil in Hinduism. See Karma in Hinduism, for example. We don't believe God condemns us to eternal hell. This is very pro-Vaishnavite site, but it has very easy to read explanations about reincarantion and karma, http://www.gitamrta.org/reincarnation.htm, http://www.gitamrta.org/karma.htm Vaishnavites worship Vishnu as the supreme God and is a monotheisic faith. When people think Hinduism is polytheistic, they are confused, because most Hindus are in fact Smarta in belief and are rather inclusive monotheists, that is they believe the different forms of God is the same God; see monotheism article for more detail.

Raj2004 00:15, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

This belief of the many Hindu deities are supposed to be manifestations of a single divine source called Brahman is only the belief of Smarta Hinduism which follows Advaita philosophy. Vaishnavism, on the other hand, for example, states only Vishnu is Brahman but a personal God and no other deity besides Him, like the God of Israel in Judaism. In Smarta Hinduism, Brahman, specifically Nirguna Brahman can never be defined because to define Brahman would be limiting and is a impersonal force. The lower Brahman, or God with form, Saguna Brahman, which is personified as Vishnu or Shiva is a personal God, like the God of Judaism and Islam. In the other branches of Hinduism such as Vaishnavism and Saivism, they only worship a personal supreme God like Judaism.

Hope this helps.

Raj2004 00:41, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

as for personal qualities of God such as mercifulness, here's what I wrote about in the God article,

"In the two largest branches of Hinduism, Shaivism and Vaishnavism, it is believed that Ishvara and Brahman are identical, and God is in turn anthromorphically identified with Shiva or Vishnu. God, whether in the form of Shiva or Vishnu has six attributes. However, the actual number of auspicious qualities of God, are countless, with the following six qualities being the most important.

• The number six is invariably given, but the individual attributes listed vary. One set of attributes (and their common interpretations) are:
  • Jñāna (Omniscience), defined as the power to know about all beings simultaneously;
  • Aishvarya (Sovereignty, derived from the word Ishvara), which consists in unchallenged rule over all;
  • Shakti (Energy), or power, which is the capacity to make the impossible possible;
  • Bala (Strength), which is the capacity to support everything by will and without any fatigue;
  • Vīrya (Vigour), or valour which indicates the power to retain immateriality as the supreme being in spite of being the material cause of mutable creations; and
  • Tejas (Splendour), which expresses his self-sufficiency and the capacity to overpower everything by his spiritual effulgence.; (cited from Bhakti Schools of Vedanta, by Swami Tapasyānanda.)

• A second set of six characteristics are
  • Jñāna (Omniscience),
  • Vairagya (Detachment),
  • Yashas (Fame),
  • Aishvarya (Sovereignty, derived from the word Ishvara),
  • Srī (Glory) and
  • Dharma (Righteousness).

• Other important qualities attributed to God are Gambhīrya (grandeur), Audārya (generosity), and Kārunya (compassion)."

Raj2004 00:44, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Hinduism has many branches and like any religion, it depends on what school of thought you are, Here is good general book on Hinduism. http://www.dlshq.org/download/hinduismbk.htm (a little difficult for the newcomer)

a good book for the westerner, Dancing with Siva, but slanted towards Saivism

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/dws/dws_table_of_contents.html

Raj2004 00:50, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, Hinduism is a very old religion and as you can expect, a lot of thinkers will have different views. ISKCON traces its roots from a legitimate subdivision Gaudiya Vaishnavism of Vaishnvaism, one of the four denominations of Hinduism. Most of their beliefs appear legitimate ( I can't verify all) but some may be cult-like.

ISKCON has a mixed view among traditional Hindus, some of whom think it's a perverted form of Vaishnavism.

Raj2004 01:04, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

No, there were never 300 million deities, if I recall, written in the Vedas. They refer to devas, which are numerous and equivalent to angels.

Brahman is clearly stated in the Vedas as one. A famous line from Vedas state Truth is one, the wise call by different names.

I am Smarta in belief,

Raj2004 01:14, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

By the way, we don't have 200 million gods. We worship God primarily as Vishnu, Shiva or God's Power, Shakti. Even Smartas only recognize six forms of God, unlike Saivites and Vaishnavites who only recognize one form. We, like Christians, do believe in lesser powerful beings named devas; see smartism and deva for more detail. The reason Hinduism is not a missionary religion is the we believe everyone has to seek his own path to God. These are common quotes echoing that belief. A well-known Rig Vedic hymn stemming from Hinduism claims that "Truth is One, though the sages know it variously." Krishna, incarnation or avatar of Vishnu, the supreme God in Hinduism, said in the Gita: In whatever way men identify with Me, in the same way do I carry out their desires; men pursue My path, O Arjuna, in all ways. (Gita:4:11); Krishna said: "Whatever deity or form a devotee worships, I make his faith steady. However, their wishes are only granted by Me." (Gita: 7:21-22) Another quote in the Gita states: "O Arjuna, even those devotees who worship other lesser deities (e.g., Devas, for example) with faith, they also worship Me, but in an improper way because I am the Supreme Being. I alone am the enjoyer of all sacrificial services (Seva, Yajna) and Lord of the universe." (Gita: 9:23) What's good for one is not good for another. As the site, http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/h_polytheism.htm states, "The Bhagavad Gita clearly explains the pitfalls of worshipping smaller gods and making offerings to them. Sri Krishna informs us clearly that those who worship smaller gods would go to them, while those who worship the Supreme Self would reach Him only. Hinduism therefore does not view favorably the practice of worshipping smaller deities, but does not condemn the worshippers either for choosing a circuitous path."

.... These are relevant verses from the Gita:

hapter 9, Verse 23. Whatever a man may sacrifice to other gods, O son of Kunti, is really meant for Me alone, but it is offered without true understanding.

Chapter 9, Verse 24. I am the only enjoyer and the only object of sacrifice. Those who do not recognize My true transcendental nature fall down. Chapter 9, Verse 25. Those who worship the demigods will take birth among the demigods; those who worship ghosts and spirits will take birth among such beings; those who worship ancestors go to the ancestors; and those who worship Me will live with Me.

Only Vishnu or Shiva as God can grant the desired object of every human, moksha. The lesser deities cannot do that.

Raj2004 01:18, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

also, I think one is insulting God when you limit Him to one conception of Him. You say God is omnipotent and then you say he can only be this.

Raj2004 01:47, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!

I feel I owe you some sort of a thank you. I was on a machine at school and edited my user page, adding the text 'test' to it. You, knowing that the school's IP has been blocked before, reverted the comments and warned the user.

If it's any sort of thank you, I just reverted your user page from a vandal. Oh, and you just left a thank you note for that action. :-)

--TonySt, Vandalism Ninja 00:51, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

That IP comes from LA, California, USA. I thought is connected to the anon vandal. -- Bonaparte talk 17:36, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I've seen before. Good that someone helped us. It was such annoying...-- Bonaparte talk 17:51, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

By the way how many romanians are in Israel? I've read once that are around 10%. Is this true? the second minority after the russian diaspora? -- Bonaparte talk 17:53, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

400,000? [[3]] - -- Bonaparte talk 17:58, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

No, I'm not from capital :) -- Bonaparte talk 18:07, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

I think you can start learning romanian :) since is a very easy to learn language. If you know italian then everything is so easy. (or french/spanish) -- Bonaparte talk 18:08, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Did you knew that moldovan is romanian with another name? -- Bonaparte talk 07:00, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

renaming Mormonism and Judaism page

Thanks for drawing my attention to that discussion Izehar, I really appreciate it. I am quite interested in Mormonism, but that question is a little over my head. It seems from reading the article that people should really choose the direction they want the page to go in before they choose the name. I would prefer just a history of the relationship between the two communities.. I don't go in for these pages which analyse the doctrinal differences between religions, it always seems to exacerbate misunderstandings. Anyway good luck on sorting it out Zargulon 01:08, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

I see you fixed the WW2 casualties page--Berndd11222 17:30, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Army-Navy game 2005

I correctly edited in Army-Navy game but you sent me a incomprehensible message: "Thanks for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. Izehar (talk) 22:31, 8 December 2005 (UTC)"

Why? unsigned by ProdigySportsman (talk · contribs) - post left at 23:01, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

You assume that I was signed in when I made corrections. You assumed wrong. Trust me, I know better than you things I have done. I also sent you an exact copy of the message you sent me. would you like me to post it again? Why would this be a joke? It is not even funny.

ProdigySportsman 04:30, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Bengal famine

Hallo Izehar, and thank you for your messages. I have laid out my reasoning for the disclaimer over the link to the Holocaust revisionism journal on the discussion page for that article ([[4]]). I do not understand why a simple disclaimer, that I feel is clearly merited (where in fact one might ordinarily think that the only other option would be to delete the link completely) has aroused such passion, although by your impatience it is clear that you feel strongly about it. I have outlined my reasoning on that page (in summary, because an uninformed reader would not be aware of the provenance of that article unless they followed the link; I presume that many or most do not in fact do this). I do not think that an obviously biased article from a Holocaust revisionism journal is a sufficiently reliable source to be drawn upon for an encyclopaedia article, and I suspect that I will not be alone in that view. Could we perhaps agree to put this issue (and the Bengal famine article more generally, which is of poor quality at present) to some sort of peer-review or other independent third party opinion so as to present a possible way forward? Please refer to the talk page for the Bengal famine article for a full exposition of my thinking on this matter, but note also that I immediately placed a justification for my (very minor) edit on there as soon as the original change was made. If you can point to a wikipedia rule that explicitly states that suggesting reader caution in relying upon very clearly biased cited sources of obviously dubious veracity is not allowed as you stated, then I will (very reluctantly) remove my disclaimer, although in so far as the article seems to draw very heavily on that source, I would therefore suggest as an alternative that the entire article either be deleted or have a 'neutrality disputed' flag imposed. I am an educator, and it worries me that students (who, rightly or wrongly, draw on wikipedia for research purposes) may come away with the belief that revisionist history journals that, frankly, in many cases fall little short of justifying atrocities, are somehow worthwhile academic sources. I do not believe that this is so, nor do I believe that such material should (in general) be drawn on to construct wikipedia. We may be best served be seeking an independent opinion. Sorry for being so long-winded, I look forward to your response and thank you for your comments. unsigned by 86.132.186.88 (talk · contribs) - post left at 23:08, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Hallo Izehar- I'm not sure that deleting the link is the best solution. It was a primary cited source for the wikiarticle. I originally left it to inform potential readers that any information derived from it (and I believe that the POV of the Pfitzner article seems to have informed that of the primary author of the wikiarticle) COULD be considered suspect, and therefore encourage them to seek corroboration through more reliable sources regarding contentious issues. Leaving the information from the article IN, but removing the actual link explaining WHERE that information came from, may potentially be misleading. I think it would have been better to leave a disclaimer on the source and allow readers to make up their own minds (or, even better, to rewrite the article so as to adopt an academic style of referencing, overtly linking statements and assertions with the source/citation in the prose itself, and thereby allowing the reader to assess likely reliability on a point-by-point basis). It's unfortunate that you think that my choice of words gave the impression that the whole article was a hoax; I think the use of the brackets and the clear spatial linking of the disclaimer with the citation and link made it very clear that my comment pertained only to the Pfitzner article. I did try and phrase the wording ('reader beware') so as to suggest general caution in interpretation, rather than condemning the Pfitzner article outright. However, your choice of words is certainly acceptable also, and if you really want to delete the link then I guess that's an acceptable compromise if you really feel it is appropriate. In general, the article itself (on a subject I find interesting but for which I have only a superficial knowledge unfortunately) needs a lot of work and may deserve a clean up/neutrality disputed tag. I may leave a message on the talk page tomorrow and canvass other opinions- yours would be appreciated as a start however? Again, cheers for the comments.

My RfA

Izehar, thanks for your support on my RfA. The final count was 46/0/0. I hope I'll live up to your faith in me in my use of the mop and bucket. Please accept this wikithanks as a token of my gratitude ;) --bainer (talk) 23:53, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Early RFA thanks

Hi Izehar,

Thank you very much for your support on my RfA. It has done very well and is currently at 67/0/2. As such, I am posting this in advance of its closure. If I can ever help with anything or if you have any comments about my actions as an admin, please let me know. Thank you once again! – NSLE _(T+C+CVU) 00:59, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Idealist

On your user page, there is a list of characteristics. Postmodernist is at the top and Materialist is at the bottom. The attribute "Idealist" may have two or more meanings. Do you think it means "one who strives for perfection" or "one who thinks that the only things that we know with immediate certainty are our mental pictures of objects, not objects in themselves"?Lestrade 01:23, 9 December 2005 (UTC)Lestrade

My failed RFA :)

Dear Izehar,

I would like to thank you for supporting me on my RfA. Even though it failed with a with the final tally of 55/22/6, I want to thank you anyways. I don't want to be one a admin anymore until I reach 10,000 edits now that it's over with. Thanks --Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 02:33, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Awolf002 RfA

Thank you very much for your support for my RfA. I will do everything I can to justify your trust in me. Awolf002 03:10, 9 December 2005 (UTC)