User talk:Matia.gr/Archive 4

old stuff: User talk:Matia.gr/Archive 1, User talk:Matia.gr/Archive 2, User talk:Matia.gr/Archive 3

vote for Alexander

he has now 8 votes! go and vote also! -- Bonaparte talk 16:43, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not gonna vote before he accepts his nomination. Check DBachmann's comments on Alexander's page. +MATIA ☎ 16:49, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Macedonia (Greece)

Hi. It seems to me that just about every article that touches upon Macedonia at all is in a constant state of change, with lots of editors being unhappy about it. I think that it would help if we could get some facts into the articles with proper citations. I'd like you to help me out by telling me what facts you would like to see in the article. If all of the effort that went into arguing about what is neutral went into research, I think that we would get closer to WP:NPOV. Jkelly 17:52, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've tried that in the past, it didn't work and it gave me too much wikistress. I'll try to give you proper citations within the next days (I've tagged the article so that someone might help). I'm trying to ignore the ugly things I've seen in RoM related articles and improve the Greece-related articles, but to see changes like those in Macedonia (Greece) while knowing what happened in RoM-related articles is difficult for me. The Macedonia (Greece) has many external links that will not verify for example the "existance" of Ber or Kostur. Thanks. +MATIA ☎ 18:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I do wonder whether it's worth including the Slavic place names in that article - it strikes me as being more of an attempt to wind up the Greek editors, rather than a worthwhile effort to give bilingual names. I'll have a think about it and post some comments in due course. What do you think? -- ChrisO 00:42, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed them once. I cannot understand their place in that article and I can't find a reason that justifies them. Maybe I'm wrong or missing something, but I can't figure it out. +MATIA ☎ 00:59, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Theotokos

Although I'm technically on wikiholiday, I'd be happy to help with this page. Did you have any part in particular that you wanted help with? User:JHCC (talk) 22:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Guitar wood

Hi Matia.gr - I changed the link to redcedar on the basis of Badagnani's comments ([1], now at the end of my 3rd talk archives) that Thuja plicata (Western Redcedar) is the wood used, which is not a cedar (Cedrus) - MPF 21:43, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your message. I'll look into it. What I can tell you from memory is that Cedar is used in, rather low or middle cost, classical guitars and its main characteristic is volume. +MATIA ☎ 12:02, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks; the problem is that are a lot of woods are erroneously sold as 'cedar', even though they aren't, so one needs to be very careful over the actual wood identification - MPF 12:23, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I haven't thought of it before, but you are right and we'll have to be careful, if WP is an encyclopedia :) +MATIA ☎ 12:26, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Tedernst / Macedonia (disambiguation)

I'm not sure what your message means. I did de-link United States because that link isn't being disambiguated. I also removed descriptions or towns or villages in the United States that aren't necessary because each of them is in a different state. The extra text is just distracting. Do you have another opinion about this? Tedernst | talk 06:00, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

exces wikilinks, the style guide is to me very clear that state & south-eastern Europe should not be linked on a dab page because they don't help to distinguish the articles in question, they only clutter things up, do you have a different understanding? perhaps this belongs on the MoS:DP talk page? Tedernst | talk 16:56, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I had written my thoughts at your talk page. Let's leave it for now. Take care. +MATIA ☎ 17:04, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

a notice from Izehar

Matia, have you seen this: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#CDThieme sockpuppetry? Izehar (talk) 11:32, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've encountered Via Egnatia, NoAccount and CDThieme many times on various Macedonia related articles, but I didn't knew they are related. That's a strange surprise. +MATIA ☎ 11:53, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Guitar editing

Sure, Guitar seems to be a real mess now. I'm trying to build a good encyclopedic-like infrastructure, all about guitars in wikipedia, I've introduced a few categories and standards lately. Guitar just needs a major rewrite, really...

--GreyCat 16:51, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree for a rewrite of the See also section. The rest need small improvements, in my opinion. For example I think that Guitar should list very few "Significant Guitarists", only those who influenced the guitar development (for example Aguado, or Van Hallen), and have a link to Guitarist and List_of_guitarists (those two are a real mess indeed, but let's see what we can do with Guitar first). +MATIA ☎ 17:09, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

As far as things going, "See also" went to a separate article - that's good for now. We'll deal with it later, I guess. I'm trying to start "Guitar parts and accessories" category and file the separate articles for all guitar components. Any objections? --GreyCat 14:18, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

one more notice by Izehar

No, but I have read Wikipedia:Disambiguation and WP:NPOV. Izehar (talk) 18:15, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Makedonia Airport

Oops, well spotted. I look forward to someone excavating an Ancient Greek air control tower... ;-) -- ChrisO 19:05, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

lol. That was a good one. It reminded me a joke: An Egyptian went to a Greek and said "Our civilization is older than yours. We found telephone lines under the Sphinx", and the Greek replied "Well, we didn't find anything like that under the Parthenon, because they were using mobile phones". +MATIA ☎ 19:20, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Macedonian (disambiguation)

I changed only the demographics section - which I explained in the talk page, even you participated in the talks back then. I don't know who changed the history section (I haven't touched it). As for Greek Macedonians - I told you you could write anything you wish but in English it sounds more like the members of the Macedonian Slav minority in Greece rather than a regional identification of someone who has a Greek national identity... VMORO 13:05, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I dont understand your change in the demographics section. If possible, please analyse it to me here. Thanks. +MATIA ☎ 17:18, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm starting to see your point. +MATIA ☎ 17:25, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Macedonia

well,there is a difference between "greek Macedonia" and "greek region of Macedonia" which they who revert know it very well.Why we dont say "greek Thessaly" instead of "greek region of Thessaly"; -- Makedonas

I don't exactly understand it, and it is very likely that those who revert you don't understand it either. As far as I can tell Greeks used and are using the term Macedonia. What exactly helps the addition of the words "region of"? +MATIA ☎ 10:09, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Having thought about it some more, I think I see where Makedonas is coming from. Greek Macedonia could be interpreted as meaning "the Greek portion of Macedonia", while "Greek region of Macedonia" could be read as "Macedonia, a Greek region". In other words, it could that Makedonas is trying a subtle form of POV-pushing - seeking to associate the name Macedonia exclusively with the Greek region, rather than "sharing" it with other countries ("Bulgarian Macedonia", "FYROM Macedonia" etc). -- ChrisO 15:34, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like the opposite to me. Don't know :) +MATIA ☎ 16:53, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Matia, what's going on on Talk:Macedonian (disambiguation)? The discussions seem to be going around in circles. Izehar (talk) 21:40, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Matia, sorry for me butting in like that, but I'm thinking of running for the WP:MC in the future, and I was looking for practice. Izehar (talk) 21:46, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

May I give an advice? +MATIA ☎ 21:47, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly. Izehar (talk) 21:49, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Have patience (too much patience), check the sources (or search for more), and examine them with patience (I'm talking generally, not only about those articles). Take care. +MATIA ☎ 21:51, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks. Izehar (talk) 21:52, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

linguistics terms

well, imho, all linguistics terms should at least redirect somewhere; we do have affricate, however. We also have List of phonetics topics, but I am no great friend of list articles; such groupings can be done by categorization. regards, dab (ᛏ) 21:44, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Lists can have benefits that categories lack. Lists remind me the many appendixes (aka more than one indexes) that good books have. Thanks for your help. +MATIA ☎ 21:46, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Apantisi

Ego aplws evala tous syndesmous sto arthro Names of the Greeks. Nomizw pws tsekarisa tous syndesmous alla den thymamai. Yparxei provlhma; - Deucalionite 12/12/05 12:28 P.M. EST

Coins

Hi Matia. Please see User talk:BDAbramson#Image:Amyntas_III-161113.jpg. Basically, you can remove the CNG tag, and add a {{PD-ineligible}} or {{PD-old}} tag.-Splash^talk 17:34, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

why?

Why? Tedernst | talk 19:30, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That vague question can have at least two answers. 1) Because unintentionally you vandalised that phrase, and/or 2) because the term periphery has a certain meaning that is needed in that context. +MATIA ☎ 19:33, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't get it. Why does the definition of the word perifery have any bearing on a user being able to find the article that s/he's looking for? Tedernst | talk 19:35, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

When "I don't get it" I discuss first and then edit. What is a periphery? Is it a term widely used? Are there more peripheries? Should there be hyper-text links that would help a reader find out a strange word in a line describing an article at a list?

What is your opinion about the difference between an official policy and a guideline? +MATIA ☎ 19:48, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This is no longer a policy or guideline issue for me. The issue is, if I'm a user, what's going to help me find what I'm looking for and what's not. If the link to periphery helps, then it should stay. If not, then it should go. I don't see how it's helpful to have the link. Could you explain? In fact, I'd go further to say that I don't see how it's helpful to have the word there at all. Please explain how it helps a reader find the correct article among many choices with similar names? Tedernst | talk 19:52, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: You cannot unintentionally vandalise. The definitive characteristic of vandalism is bad faith. A bona fide edit, however damaging or bad is not vandalism; an editor who genuinly believes (s)he is improving the encyclopaedia by making an edit cannot have that edit labeled vandalism. Therefore, to use legal jargon, a mens rea is required for vandalism. If there is no bad faith, there is no vandalism. See Wikipedia:Vandalism:

Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. Apparent bad-faith edits that do not make their bad-faith nature inarguably explicit are not considered vandalism at Wikipedia.

I'm telling you this, because you have accused me of vandalism in the past and have done the same to Tedernst now, and I think you may have the wrong idea or are misusing the term. Izehar (talk) 19:50, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Izehar see the part of the definition that relates Vandalism with the removal of accurate information. +MATIA ☎ 19:53, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]