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Quickpolls are polls among Wikipedia regulars on issues that need to be quickly resolved.

Policies

You are responsible for reading Wikipedia:Quickpolls policy before using this page. Quickpolls are not for arbitrary issues between users.

Concluded polls should be moved to Wikipedia:Quickpolls/Archive (which also includes an example poll).

User:Cantus, User:Cantus2, User:Wikified, User:Kiw et al.

Accusation

Cantus has made constant reverts to Wik's talk page, insisting that he can put whatever he wants there. Wik kept removing them. As User:Cantus he added the material 9 times, which certainly breaks the 3 revert rule, and he did more as User:Cantus2, after he was blocked by me for 2 hours to attempt to relieve the situation. I am now asking that he be banned for a period of 24 hours with sock puppets banned indefinitely. I also ask anyone voting to consider the problem at hand, and not the two people involved in it. Danny 23:40, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Defense

Danny, with what moral do you create this quickpoll on me, when you were yourself engaged in the revert wars with Wik? You violated Wikipedia policy when you violated the three revert rule [1], violated Wikipedia policy by removing my comments in your Talk page [2], violated Wikipedia policy by replacing my User page with your own message [3], violated Wikipedia policy by supporting Wik's removal of other people's messages in his Talk page [4], and abused your admin rights when you banned me [5]. I believe your admin status should definitely be reviewed. --Cantus (alter-ego Kiw)

Support

  1. Support. Maybe ban sock puppets indefinitely? Ban primary account for 24 hours. Kingturtle 23:47, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  2. I think this qualifies as a "rampage". Agree with a 24hr ban, per quickpoll policy. Martin 23:51, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  3. I support, on the condition that action be imposed on Wik. This behavior is ridiculous, and both parties are equally guilty. (Wik has vandalized Cantus' user page 5 times today.) The only difference is that Danny chose to ban Cantus, not Wik. Community action is appropriate, but it must be equilateral. Favoritism will only exacerbate the problem. Cribcage 23:59, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  4. Dori | Talk 00:11, Apr 12, 2004 (UTC)
  5. Support a block. He is also engaged in a campaign of harrassment against User:Wik. RickK 00:18, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  6. Support, harassment is bad, and if we it is allowed (as in the past) why shouldn't wik be grumpy? Sam Spade 00:23, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  7. Support 24 hour ban, users violated 3 revert rule, and Wik's talk page is Wik's domain that Wik may do with as Wik pleases. I do not support any indefinite bans as of yet as no concrete evidence has been presented. --Hcheney 00:31, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  8. Bypassing a block, even if one disagrees with it, is definitely a no-no. -- Dissident 00:32, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  9. Ambivalenthysteria 00:46, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  10. Support for 24 hours as per policy. Should not last longer unless the user continues reverting. Warofdreams 00:58, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  11. Meelar 00:58, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  12. Support. Strange behavior indeed. Is this Wikisuicide by Quickpoll? -- Decumanus | Talk 01:09, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  13. Support for either time frame -- this below was enough for me: --Cantus (using my Kiw account, because I've been banned by Danny) -- BCorr|Брайен 01:55, Apr 12, 2004 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. On principle. User:Danny proposed a one week ban. Now, User:Kingturtle and User:Martin are talking 24 hours. Once again -- what are we actually voting for? Are other persistent vandals to be dealt with too?Moriori 00:04, Apr 12, 2004 (UTC)
I still support a longer ban, but I have agreed to a compromise as suggested by KingTurtle and Martin. I think other persistent vandals should be dealt with too. Danny 00:24, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Comment

  • How long is "and extended period"? Ban proposals should be specific. Moriori 23:44, Apr 11, 2004 (UTC) "An".Moriori 23:45, Apr 11, 2004 (UTC)
  • This is a clear case of acute vandalism. While a quickpoll can be held to approve a longer ban, why can't all his incarnations immediately get a 24-hour block? His IP is vandalizing my talk page as we speak. --Wik 23:50, Apr 11, 2004 (UTC)
    • I agree with Wik. Many users are waging a concerted campaign to persecute Wik soley because he gets in the way of their POV agendas. On top of that, well-meaning users start attacking him because they've often failed to see through the bullshit criticism of Wik spewed by the POV users who get reverted by Wik regularly, and ought to get reverted regularly. 172 23:57, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • As far as I can see, User:Danny was engaged in edit wars with User:Cantus etc. himself. Per policy, he is not allowed to start a quickpoll (not to vote either). Also, User:Danny seems to have violated the three-revert-rule himself [6]. As he previously has voted for banning other contributors for NOT having violated any rule, we should consider banning him when he violates the rules himself. Wik has reverted some 10 times as well. Perhaps both Cantus as well as Wik and Danny should be given a cool down? Nico 00:01, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
    • Thanks Nico. Finally someone with brains! I know reverting isn't good at all, but what I was reverting was the deletion of mine and other people's messages from Wik's Talk Page by Wik and then Danny. As far as I know, the removal of other people's messages in Talk pages is not permitted (even if you own the Talk page). User:Danny said the contrary, that the owner of the Talk page could delete messages at will. I believe this is innacurate and a violation of Wikipedia policy. I believe that Danny's admin status should be reviewed. --Cantus (using my Kiw account, because I've been banned by Danny)
      • I can count on my fingers the number of wikipedians who participate in continuous reversions. Thousands of other users find other ways to reach solutions. I hope that you too can learn how to find other ways than repeated reversion. Kingturtle 00:33, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
        • I did not defend him. I have no special opinion in this matter, really. But I believe in equal justice. User:Danny violated the guidelines, while he wanted another contributor banned for not violating the guidelines. Nico 00:42, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Note

I have protected Wik's pages during the time of his ban.

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