Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/SlimVirgin2

Can you clarify how this qualifies as "trying and failing to resolve the dispute"? It reads more as an attempt to get an admission of guilt. Wasn't the page unprotected long before you pointed out the alleged violoation of the protection policy? —HorsePunchKid→龜 2005-12-17 09:14:32Z

First, I've actually been disputing with SlimVirgin over the proper application of the PPol prohibition for a couple of months due to the Islamophobia dispute. I posted that note on the talk page to voice my objections to her continued violation of the same policy in hopes that she would voluntarily withdraw it. She did not and instead refused to acknowledge any error both there and on my talk page. The ensuing conversation went nowhere with neither of us coming to an agreement, so I posted an RfC for outside comment. Second, you are incorrect about the timing of the page's unprotection. I posted about Slim's PPol violation at 03:45 - approximately 45 minutes after SlimVirgin protected it. Daniel Brandt was unprotected at 04:16 by Linuxbeak [1]. A little over an hour later SlimVirgin criticized Linuxbeak for unprotecting it since he was also involved in the dispute [2], even though she was equally involved when she protected it in the first place. Rangerdude 09:49, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Don't you mean you've been stalking her and trying to turn her every admin action into a "crime"? Guettarda 17:30, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Please assume good faith, Guettarda. My only concern is when SlimVirgin abuses her admin powers, and in the case of page protection she does so on a regular basis. SlimVirgin and I edit a number of articles in common including Chip Berlet. The other day this article was reformatted, including the criticisms section. I was reviewing the changes yesterday, followed the wikilink to the Daniel Brandt article, and saw it had been page protected by Slim, who I knew to have been involved extensively in the dispute there. That makes it a clear violation of PPol and it's one she's done before, as with our previous dispute over the Islamophobia page protection. I decided to raise the issue because she evidently has not curtailed her violations of this rule since the Islamophobia article, which makes it a recurring problem of admin privilege abuses. Rangerdude 18:34, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You presented your Islamophobia page protection "evidence" as part of the ongoing arbcom case involving your conduct. The arbcom has not sanctioned her for it. Why must you continue, then, to bring it up? It's very unseemly. · Katefan0^(scribble)/mrp 18:38, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I bring it up, Katefan, because it's a recurring problem in her misuse of admin privileges that happened again as recently as yesterday. Fred Bauder chose not to sanction her for Islamophobia because she's a well connected admin and told her that here even while recognizing that she broke the rules. But that is a problem with the current Arbcom's structure and history of showing favoritism to admins - not an issue of any determining value on how to handle SlimVirgin's continuing misuse of page protection. Fred argued at the time that it was a minor one time transgression, but I am arguing here that it is a recurring pattern and I'm asking for community input on how this rule should be applied since my conversations with SlimVirgin seeking her compliance with the rule have not produced any resolution. If you have any recommendations on how to properly address the PPol issue you are welcome to post them. Remember the RfC policy though - "Mediate where possible - identify common ground, attempt to draw editors together rather than push them apart." Rangerdude 18:50, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The conspiracy against you reaches far beyond Fred Bauder. Trust me. The Illuminati are involved. Phil Sandifer 19:03, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Who ever said anything about conspiracy? I'm simply concerned about the abuse of power that is increasingly common on Wikipedia among Administrators and Arbcom members. Rangerdude 19:05, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Aha, I see -- the arbcom is corrupt. Isn't it possible, just maybe, that you were simply wrong? · Katefan0^(scribble)/mrp 19:07, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not in this case, Katefan. The evidence is clear cut for both. Slim had an extensive editing history on both articles when she imposed Page Protection. The policy explicitly forbids admins from doing that. Oddly, you seem uninterested in addressing the question at hand of whether SlimVirgin's breaches of this policy are a problem and what to do about it, instead preferring to refight Arbcom disputes. That certainly doesn't seem to be an "attempt to draw editors together" though it does contain elements of "push(ing) them apart." Rangerdude 19:19, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Since you included the Islamophobia information in an ongoing arbcom case that's all but over, do you consider the Islamophobia information you included here "refighting arbcom disputes?" · Katefan0^(scribble)/mrp 20:35, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rangerdude, why should I assume good faith when you have been acting in bad faith for months? It's painfully obvious what you are up to. This is about Will reverting your POV pushing. Wikipedia does not exist for you to push your agenda, and it does not exist for you to stalk and harrass the people who supported Will. This is ridiculous. Guettarda 19:50, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Guettarda - I've asked you previously in a polite and reasonable manner to abstain from personal attacks and bad faith insinuations. I'll ask you once again to please focus on the issue at hand, which is the problem of administrators applying page protection to articles where they've been in disputes. Should you wish to comment on this, your input may be useful. Should you continue making personal attacks and bad faith insinuations such as the above, then I have nothing further to say to you and will accordingly ignore your subsequent input here. Rangerdude 21:48, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Just saying, I attempted to resolve the dispute at User_talk:SlimVirgin#Wondering... while the page was protected, which did not work at all. But the page is no longer protected anyway, and thus there is no problem unless SlimVirgin decides to protect it again. Guettarda's view is pure ad hominem, though, in my opinion... :( --Nymph 20:27, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Is it really? Have you looked at Rangerdude's long history of stalking and harrassing SV and Willmcw? Guettarda 20:44, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Whether or not he has a, er, long history of stalking and harrassing SV and Willmcw, is not quite relevant to the report he made. "RANGERDUDE!!" does not refute "Well she did this, this, and this wrong." --Nymph 21:01, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

She last edited that page on 16 October. AnnH ^(talk) 21:17, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

She also created the page itself and has been involved in the Daniel Brandt dispute that's been occuring both on and off Wikipedia ever since. When Brandt set up his anti-wikipedia page he identified SlimVirgin as one of the main and original instigators in the dispute and she has participated extensively in it throughout. Rangerdude 21:48, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Did she break a rule or not?

Can we please talk about the issue at hand? Did SV break the rule or not? Whether or not this is an elaborate, well-planned conspiracy to undermine SV is completely irrelevant. All that we should be considering is whether SV broke the rules. If you want to start up a discussion about why the reporter of her misdeeds is a low-down dog for pointing it out that SV is breaking the rules, then please do so in an appropriate forum. Vivaldi 21:27, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

So far I have yet to see one purpose DENY that Slim Virgin broke the rule. Does any such purpose exist here? Who denies that a rule is broken? Can you please explain why the evidence presented here should be disregarded on some other basis than by bringing up the character of the person who pointed the rule violations out? Vivaldi 21:27, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Vivaldi - thank you for getting this discussion back on topic. The issue is whether or not SlimVirgin is abusing her admin powers, and if so how we can better address WP:PPol's restrictions on admin powers in her case. Rangerdude

Cognition's testimony

Yes, SlimVirgin clearly did break a rule. As Rangerdude clearly demonstrates, SlimVirgin makes no secret of her disdain for Wikipedia policy. Just to add to Rangerdude's case... SlimVirgin uses her administrative power to protect pages when she is in disputes stemming from her attempts to promote synarchist POV. One notable example was her abuse of sysop powers on physical economics, a school of thought on economics developed by American statesman Lyndon H. LaRouche which is rapidly gaining wide influence worldwide, especially in Russia and China. She, along with Willmcw and Snowspinner, is the archtypical example of the "rogue admin". Cognition 01:49, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cognition, unless you can show that you are one of the "Users who tried and failed to resolve the dispute" you should not put your name in that section. "The dispute" measn this specific dispute. -Willmcw 02:04, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The dispute is not particular to any article. The dispute involves her pattern of abusing her admin powers, which I have noted again and again on such pages as Talk:Physical economics. The dispute with both Rangerdude and me cannot end until she is de-sysoped or starts respecting the rules. Cognition 02:09, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]