Talk:Neon Genesis Evangelion
- Some reverse the first two angels. Some start the list with a 0th Angel or otherwise disagree with this list. Some call Pen-Pen the 2nd Angel.
Could you elaborate, especialy about Pen-Pen ? --Taw
- "Why is Lilith called the First Angel?
- Two reasons. First of all, remember that she's been mistaken for Adam (more truth-hiding by SEELE),
- but she's also the first Angel to have appeared; she was on Earth in some kind of Angelic form well
- before Adam showed up; SEELE's symbol of the seven eyes on a triangle is taken from Lilith's mask,
- and SEELE's also been around since long before the Second Impact."
- According to the evaotaku.com faq, the Red Cross Book says that the angels originated from the
- source of life called Lilith, but also calls Adam the First Angel. This would explain why someone
- might call Lilith the 0th Angel (although the faq author doesn't). I think I heard about Pen-Pen the
- Second Angel from a friend at college. He also appears in some forms of Discordianism. --Dan
Zeroth Angel?? How?? what?? and what about humans being the 18th....??
and are the angels what could have been? instead of humnas... at least thats what ive understood...
Eva is an incredible series/movies, but it is also incredibly confusing...
- End of Evangelion definitely calls the Angels other possible forms of humanity. So I assume someone
- denies this violently. I could explain the whole plot for you, but...um...er...I have to go now. --
- Dan
I think that Adam is the first angel and Lilth is the 2nd Angel. What I would like to learn more about is, all of the secrets that the creator puts into this wonderful series/movie. If you watch death/rebirth on DVD try to find secrets. I have found alot. EX: on evas 5 through 13 if you look closely the dummy plug says Kaworu on the front.:)
- Hope I don't upset anyone too much if I say that despite the Red Cross Book being an official Gainax product, I don't regard it as an infallible source of information. Of course the RCB can be regarded as a co-equal part of the NGE corpus, but this means it is just as likely to contain misinformation and contradictions as any other part. I don't think it should be seen as an authoratative metatext. And while we're on the subject, Tim Miller's NGE secrets page mentioned above is also not authoritative. He's not updated it for 5 years, and so it doesn't take account of the restored footage in the "Director's Cut". For example, this shows that the embryonic Adam was at some point implanted into Gendo's hand (and so you have to come up with another theory as to why Gendo puts his hand on Rei's breast in EoE) --PS4FA