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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 83.23.61.102 (talk) at 23:51, 4 January 2006 (→"These proofs"). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Attention- Radio Maryja is a subject of a heated debatte in Poland

Editing an article on this issue is thus comined with the probability, that users instead to add their arguments, will try to erase the existing ones. Moa anbessa 15:56, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Moa, how familiar are you with our policies? In addition to Wikipedia:Neutral point of view you should practically memorize {{wikipedia:No original research]]. If you violate these policies people will delete your work and no one will defend you. If you comply with these policies fewer people will delete your work, and if anyone does you will have much support. The crucial thing (referring to two other policies) is that you will be on strong ground if instead of drawing on your own personal knowledge you draw on and provide verifiable sources. Good luck, Slrubenstein | Talk 20:44, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Seeing how http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debata_o_Radiu_Maryja has a bunch of data, you might be able to get information from there in bulk, without much in the way of debate (as it already exists as sourced and linked articles). Anyways, I've added this page to my watchlist. Ronabop 04:01, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Blanking good faith edits?

I'm sure we can keep this article sane, provided it is well sourced. I've restored Moa's last edits, and done some grammar cleanup, and it would be good if some of the statements were better sourced. Ronabop 04:07, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Read my explanations Ksenon 13:26, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Since I'm seeing the accusations of anti-semitism coming from several reliable sources, why were those removed? Ronabop 06:10, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
There is a lingering tendency to associate the Catholic church with anti-semitism in the generally secular and left-wing media. Besides, the views of some viewers do not reflect official policy. How can references such as "our elder Jewish borthers" used by the radio be anti-semitic? Listen first, then spew if you have to. Ksenon 12:44, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
As I understand it, this is *not* the official Catholic church station (That would be Radio Jozef, right? I had some cited text explaining that Jozef was the actual, official, Catholic station, and that Maryja was booted from the church's offices, but you removed it.).
As far as referencing 'our elder Jewish brothers', use of that term would depend on the context. The links I've found so far seem to indicate that Maryja is supporting bizarre anti-semitic notions such as Jews controlling the media, Jews controlling the banking system, Jews taking money out of the country, Jews being warned away from the WTC., etc. Ronabop 15:01, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Now the article is a complete nonsense

the main feature of radio maryja is that it is antisemitic and is run by catholic church. It is written now in tha article that although it is run by the church, it is not an official church radio (!!!), and that it is not antisemitic, but its listeners are. This is a nonsense! Those jesuit censors that cut my edits should be carefully observed- they cut too much. Moa anbessa 11:12, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2289567.stm ... Maryja isn't part of the catholic church, though it does seem to be tightly connected to a catholic political party. Ronabop 04:30, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Radio Maryja and antisemitism

Sources for that: http://www.or.org.pl/artykuly/acala-rm.html http://www.radiomaryja.pl.eu.org/ http://rydzyk24.e-sai.org/ I have compiled these links for Ksenon. He was erasing them from the main article. Moa anbessa 11:31, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

More: http://www.masterpage.com.pl/outlook/catholic.html http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/asw2004/poland.htm http://today.reuters.com/business/newsarticle.aspx?type=media&storyID=nL23156850&imageid=&cap= http://www.diapozytyw.pl/en/site/slownik_terminow/antysemityzm/ http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=412339&contrassID=1&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y Ronabop 05:21, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"These proofs"

http://www.radiomaryja.pl/ataki-tvn.htm

It is well documented. Read what some of the leading professors in the country have to say

Well documented? That's ridiculous. All these "leading professors" are people connected with Radio Maryja. That source is completely unreliable. Authors of those articles try to prove that TVN program was prepared using some propaganda techniques (BTW Radio Maryja uses such methods non-stop) but I see no proof that there was any "fabricated material".
This fragment: "...secular lines of the mainly liberal and post-communist media..." is clearly an opinion, not everyone could agree with such statement. Generally, whole article looks like Radio Maryja propaganda, all controversies are described in just one sentence without examples and further explanations.
I have no time to work on this article now, but it's definitely not neutral. 83.23.61.102 23:48, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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