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Most important articles

There are many long lists everywhere. Has anyone thought of the most important articles that you would want in any philosophy section? My list is below. A similar thing would apply to philosophical biographies. Lots have 'stub' on them even when the philosopher deserves exactly the amount he or she has been given. There should also be the opposite: a sign to show when inordinate amounts have been devoted to non-entities.

Some of the articles have been written (most are not very good). Some have not. That is just my list, heavily biased towards English Analytic School. But what other sort is there?

List of most important philosophical topics

Dbuckner 17:32, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

See List of philosophical topics (A-C) and related pages; also List of basic philosophical topics; But the main list is category:philosophy Banno 20:53, 4 December 2005 (UTC)


Let's start from the premiss that I've seen these lists. There are lots of lists. What is the list of the most important philosophy articles? Dbuckner 20:28, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

That would depend in part on what a given individual feels is the most important aspect of philosophy. There's no one "list of most important topics". Maybe you're getting at "list of most fundamental topics"? -Seth Mahoney 22:37, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

I love lists! I've worked on or have tied together most of the philosophy lists. And the term "important" makes your list philosophical indeed. How should we interpret the word "important", and how do we measure the "importance" of any given article (to be sure that it should go on the list)? What would the purpose of your list be, exactly? That is, who do you want to reach, how do you want to affect/change/improve/influence them, what point do you want to get across, and how should your list be positioned (linked to) within the overall philosophy material? (By the way, I've taken the liberty of sorting and link-activating your list, hope you don't mind). Go for it! 22:47, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

In your opinion, what is the purpose of philosophy? Go for it! 22:47, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

What should the main missions/objectives of a philosopher be? Go for it! 22:47, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Here's my list of the philosophical terms I've found so far to be the most important/interesting:

Go for it! 22:47, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

This is probably out of bias, but I would also think that Theology or Theism/Deism, or at least arguments for God's existence are relevant to philosophy (especially if we have agnosticism and atheism - of which theism should be classified with). Also, if Theological noncognitivism is important, then Theology more broadly construed is relevant. Just my two cents! --FranksValli 01:48, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

meaning of 'important'

I meant important for developing a set of articles that other philosophers will take seriously. As far as I can see, there are no professional philosophers working on the philosophy sections. And it shows. Dbuckner 14:34, 10 December 2005 (UTC)


Biographies

We also need to look at the question of which philosophers get more time than others. There is the biography of Anscombe which I just noticed. This is very good. But very long. Why is the article on Geach, her husband ( which I contributed btw) much shorter? They probably deserve about the same. This is not a complaint, just an observation that what we call a "stub" is an entirely relative concept. Dbuckner 20:32, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Since you contributed the article on Geach, my guess as to why that article is shorter, is that you didn't write as much :-) --Trovatore 22:15, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
See my proposal for a collaboration that would seek to remedy these difficulties. Banno 20:06, 8 December 2005 (UTC)



Philosophy in pop culture sections

Many philosophy articles, particularly nihilism and existentialism, have sections on "X movement in popular culture", where representations of these philosophies in contemporary film, music, and literature are discussed. (Proposal 1): I think these sections are valuable, and actually should be added to more articles. It might even make a worthwhile collaboration of the month to try to get similar sections going on other articles. (Proposal 2): However, judging by the history on both nihilism and existentialism we need some guidelines for how these sections should work. I'm currently thinking, based on the "no original research" and "cite sources" guidelines, that the requirement should be that someone reputable has written on the particular band, film, book, or whatever (or the author, director, or whatever has written about it), in the given context, and that that source should be cited, with all others being deleted on sight. Any thoughts? -Seth Mahoney 19:02, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I enjoy the thought of finding the relations in philosophy to film and literature especially. In fact, even they may seem a bit mainstream, there have been several books on philosophy in the "Matrix", and "Harry Potter" and "Star Wars" etc. "The Matrix" is a classic example of a movie chock full of philosophical references. -Chad Boyko 17:39, 6 December 2005

Right! Now here's the trick. I do want to be able to have sections like these in lots of philosophy articles. I don't want every so-and-so's favorite movie stuck in there. (And I hope I'm not being too authoritarian in expressing my wants as if they were everybody's) What guidelines can we use to help ensure that? -Seth Mahoney 17:39, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
I would object to having such sections in articles. It would be far preferable to have philosophy sections in the pop culture articles. The Matrix has no place in the metaphysics article, but metaphysics might be appropriate in The Matrix. At the least, setting up an article on philosophy in popular culture might save us from a reference to every science fiction book or film ever written in every philosophy article Banno 20:00, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
A reference to every science fiction book or film in every philosophy article is exactly what I'm trying to avoid here - what I'd like to see happen is to see more pop culture references that make sense in context, and limit it to that. I do think, however, that many of the articles could well benefit from sections like these. Philosophy is hard stuff, and if someone can say, "oh, hey, I saw that movie, I remember that scene" and then have everything click, that's fantastic. It may also be worth adding that not having pop-culture sections in articles (if we can find a way to keep it serious) would represent an anti-postmodern POV. -Seth Mahoney 00:34, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
I think I could mount an argument that including references to pop culture was POV, too. What fun! The proof will be in the pudding, so go ahead and make the changes, if you wish - but I think that you are opening a can of worms, and one with little gain for us. Far simpler to put references to philosophy in pop culture articles; the fans will love it, thinking it gives their stuff more credibility, and we may attract new editors in that way. Banno 05:16, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Seth, I would be interested in doing some revamping of Baudrillard articles over my christmas holidays. In particualr I think that article of hyperreal needs some revamping. Also I would like to start an article on Symbolic Exchange. I've got a bunch of differnt ideas if you are interested. Szpak 07:39, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes! I thought about starting symbolic exchange and adding a bit in commodity fetishism myself! I just didn't feel quite qualified to do it. I'd be glad to throw in what I can here and there though. -Seth Mahoney 17:39, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

An extended discussion of The Matrix in the metaphysics article would be inappropriate, but using summary style would not be: one could have a section on Metaphysical theses in popular culture which says that theses P, Q and R have captured the popular imagination, particularly in works X, Y and Z, and leave a {{seemain|Metaphysical theses in popular culture}} link to the appropriate article expanding on this brief comment. --- Charles Stewart 00:39, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree completely. However, under what guidelines do we keep everyone from adding every movie and book and pop band and whatever they like to the list (and this is exactly what has happened on two articles I've done work on)? -Seth Mahoney 00:42, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Each thesis will not usually benefit from more than two or three examples, so insisting on the most notable examples should be easy to do. --- Charles Stewart 00:46, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Maybe, but how might we define 'notable'? The most google hits seems arbitrary to me... -Seth Mahoney 01:08, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
A recipe for endless edit wars, says this old vet. Banno 07:49, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
You're probably right. I'd still like to think, though, that there's a way to do it while avoiding the likely problems. -Seth Mahoney 18:22, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Reply: I agree with Banno that it would be better to place philosophical references in the pop-culture articles rather than the other way around, or dedicate a whole article to philosophy in pop-culture. Having pop-culture sections in philosophy articles detracts from the serious subject matter. See meaning of life for and example of this.

I agree that this is a potential problem with this sort of section, but I'd like to point out again that considering pop culture treatments of philosophy to be non-serious could represent an anti-postmodernism POV. -Seth Mahoney 18:22, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
By all means, include them where they are directly relevant or where they clarify a discussion; relevance and clarity will decide the issue. I certainly do not think that we ought seek out and include such references as a matter of policy, and take the view that to do so would be unjustifiably biased towards post modern ideas, since pop cultural treatments of philosophical ideas on occasion simplify and trivialise them ;-) Banno 19:49, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
No doubt - guess it doesn't matter at this point, but what I suggested above wasn't to include such references as a matter of policy, but only where they make sense, and to have policies in place to trim them down when they get out of control. -Seth Mahoney 20:20, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

A Dictionary of weird Philosophical Terms

Would anyone be interested in helping create more definitions for abstract philosophical terms? If so could we maybe start a list under here? I'll start with one for now but I have a bunch written down somewhere that need to have articles!

  • Symbolic Exchange (Baudrillard)

Reply:Ooh, another list!!! I love lists! Are you familiar with the philosophical lists? The comprehensive List of philosophical topics lists almost every philosophy article on Wikipedia (and is intended to list them all). It even includes terms that aren't topics yet, and serves as a sort of topic request list as well, so that all one has to do to create a topic for a term missing in Wikipedia is click on a red link in this list. And they'll already be represented in the list if somebody creates an article for the listed topic on the fly. Please be sure to add your terms to that list if they are not already there. Go for it! 21:34, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

There's also the List of basic philosophical topics and the List of philosophical isms. The latter list includes definitions, but is only about half complete. I've been looking for someone to help out with filling it in. Perhaps we can team up and work on each other's projects. Go for it! 21:34, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Be sure to check out this month's collaboration, the main philosophy article. Join in on revamping it, and you'll get to know the other members of this WikiProject. Go for it! 21:34, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

So, you like weird terms? Here's one for you:

Go for it! 22:53, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

By the way, what did you mean by "weird"? Go for it! 22:58, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi there! I didn't mean weird as much as I meant abstract relatively new philosophical terms. I will be keen to help out this december... but I wont be able to until about the 16th; exams and such.Szpak 14:44, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
I think this is a good idea, though some terms may not warrant an article. Maybe, in addition to creating articles wherever we can, it would be a good idea to add as many philosophical terms (and philosophical uses of everyday terms) to wikitionary. Of course, the next step there would be to actually link to wikitionary whenever those terms occur, which would be a big task (I so wish there was a way to use mouseovers to show wikitionary definitions). -Seth Mahoney 17:42, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Linking to Wiktionary directly is frowned upon; this is because Wiki links should link only to articles inthe same Wiki, to avoid confusing the reader. While there might be an argument for including a section at the bottom of the article with links to Wiktionary references for weird terms, I think that it would be preferable to just make new articles for each. Stubs are underrated. Banno 20:04, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Watching

I've moved the watching stuff to a sub-page since it is reference material rather than stuff we need to access daily. Banno 19:58, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

To do or tasks?

Since the template is called "Template:PhilosophyTasks", shouldn't we standardise on "Task List" rather than "to do list"? Banno 21:57, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

That's fine with me, as long as the title on the list and the references to it on the project page are the same. The title has been changed to "task list". Go for it! 22:48, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Similarly, I would have thought Wikiproject Philosophy was a proper name, but philosophy Wikiproject a description. Banno 01:24, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Important Articles

Go for it! > I love lists! I've worked on or have tied together most of the philosophy lists.

Unfortunately there are too many lists. Why are people writing lists, when they are working on a database, by the way? My proposal was to have one list, of the most important articles, and concentrate on those.

> And the term "important" makes your list philosophical indeed. > How should we interpret the word "important", and how do we measure the "importance" of any given article (to be sure that it should go on the list)?

Important to the development of a successful internet encyclopedia.

> What would the purpose of your list be, exactly?

To ensure that Wikipedia is taken seriously by philosophers. Dbuckner 21:18, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Template:Philosophy navigation issue

Additions and subtractions to the {{Philosophy navigation}} have been dominated by two users, Go for it! and Infinity0. I can find little discussion where other Wikiproject members have weighed their thoughts as to this template's features and purposes. Two TfD votes took place, yet TfD votes are for deciding whether a template should exist, not neccesarily its design. With this in mind, the specific issue I would like to address is whether or not the template should include external links, which I believe it should not. The purpose of this template seems to be to provide navigation between Wikipedia articles relevent to philosophy, yet external links do not provide navigation, they provide further reading. Similar navigational templates, such as {{Hinduism}} and {{evolution}}, do not contain external links (and templates in general do not). Futhermore, placement of these external links on the template are redundant with those listed under the external links sections of the respective articles, such as on Philosophy. I don't see any good reason why external links should be on this template, and would like the opinion of other Wikiproject members.—jiy (talk) 02:58, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree. The external links go to good sites, but I think these links should be put on the Philosophy page, and not on the navigation template. (The rest of the template looks pretty good though.) WhiteC 04:11, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
My view, stated elsewhere, is that {{Philosophy navigation}} is at best superfluous if the article involved is properly categorised and has a decent See also section, that it detracts from readability, and that it is necessarily POV. That external links are included in what is supposed to be an aid to navigating the Wiki shows yet again that the template is too prone to misuse or misguided editing. Kill the whole thing, please - but at the least, delete the external links. Banno 06:18, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Nobody will be surprised, that I fully agree with Banno. It's a miracle, that the navigation survived two TfDs, as both ended effectively in Portalize. And my even more fundamental disagreement with putting external links in navigation templates I stated a long time ago.
The only thing that kept me silent since then, is the disappearance of the template from those article I watch. If someone inserts it there, I'll surely revert - at least while external links are included.
Pjacobi 08:34, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Alright, move those external links to a separate article, maybe Philosophy resources or one that exists already (I don't know if there is one) and link to it from the template? Infinity0 talk 16:48, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
needless to say, I hate templates as well as lists, and anything else that means you have to do two or more things whenever you do one thing. Add a philosopher, then find any number of lists and update those &c &c. Can't the system itself be fixed so that, when we add a philosopher we put one or more tags on (date of birth, date of flourish and date of death if applicable, plus any other bits and pieces?

In any case, I have a lot of stuff on spreadsheet now, and very easy to dump a textfile that has the right format, if lists and stuff are needed. Dbuckner 20:13, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

List of philosophers

I downloaded List of philosophers into a spreadsheet. Someone had the very good idea of tabulating whether the philosophers are in one or all of three separate encyclopedias. Now I am able to rank the 1700 odd philosophers into four groups (listed in all 3, in 2, in 1 or in none). Roughly there are about 300 in top group, 300 in second, 700 in third and about 500 who are not mentioned in any of the three encyclopedias.

Looking through the top group (3 mentions) these are mostly what you would intuitively recognise as philosophers of the first rank, though there are exceptions like CS Lewis, who is not a philosopher at all (and not really a very good one at that). Generally there is good coverage in WP of these. In the second rank the coverage is much more uneven. In third, there is considerable divergence between the coverage in the encyclopedias, and in WP.

Finally the last group: those not mentioned in the encyclopedias at all, except WP. These fall into the following classes:

  1. Charlatans and self-promoters who have put themselves in.
  2. Scholars who were not philosophers pur sang (e.g. Scaliger)
  3. Journalists and hacks who wrote popular philosophy
  4. Theologians
  5. Mystics and spiritual leaders, and deities.
  6. Actual philosophers

What do we do with these? Also, there was a discussion a way back on whether philosophy = western philosophy or not. what's the view on this? my view is that philosophy is a well-defined subject that happened to develop in the west. there is no eastern philosophy, except in a sense of 'philosophy' that does not apply to the philosophy we are talking about here. Dbuckner 20:13, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

I say cut out 1,3,4,5. 4 and 5 unless the person is a philosopher too (which most 4 and some 5 in fact are). Infinity0 talk

whoops I forgot to add class 6! dean
Delete the lot? What exactly is the point of such a list? What does it do that is not better accommodated in the categories? "I've got them on my list! There's none of 'em be missed!" Banno 20:42, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Generally I agree, as you know. But this list was useful.

Which Encyclopedias did you use? I can think of at least four you might have used. How do you ensure that foreign langauge names are handled correctly (eg. Averroes in one might be Ibn Rushd in another)? --- Charles Stewart 20:57, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

This information was already in the List of philosophers - it says which on the page. I did not compile it. Must have been a hell of a job - dean. And to avoid any other confusion, the only point of this list, which I am now maintaining outside WP, is to identify areas where our coverage is less than perfect. This is true of the "top rank" of philosophers, where our coverage of some is pitiful, as well as the other ranks. Generally, looking through the entries they are not as bad as you might imagine. There is a lot of plagiarised material though.

On another point, I see that Irving Anellis has joined the ranks. He is a noted historian of early 20C logic and mathematics at whose feet we are not worthy &c &c. He has done good work on the Russell article and hopefully more. Welcome, Irving, if you are reading this. Why not help with the collaboration on the Logic article. DEan

If they aren't philosophers, then they don't belong on the List of Philosophers! Though don't religion and religious issues fall under philosophy? Did we ever complete a good definition of philosophy for the philosophy article? Maybe that will help. Go for it! 22:30, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Who is responsible for this project?

I have removed most of the rubbish created since 12 December on the Philosophy page. I'm not saying that version is very good, but it minimises the reputational damage against WP of what was there this morning. I identified one culprit in the talk page. But does anyone else want to claim responsibility for this act of vandalism? It appears to be a coordinated affair, organised on this pageDbuckner 21:04, 16 December 2005 (UTC).

There's no need to go insulting everyone. Nobody "coordinated" the "vandalism". You make some good points in your explaination of your revert, but instead of bitching about how crap the article is, why don't you edit it to make it better?? Infinity0 talk 22:03, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Project FAQ or overview/introduction?

Hi, I'm a new member of the project and I'd like to compliment the project members and all contributors on the vast quantity of philosophy articles on WP. I'm not aware of any larger single source of philosophy encyclopedia articles on the entire Internet. Many of the articles are already of great depth and quality. I believe this is or will soon become the best Philosophy reference on the net that all people interested in Philosophy will turn to first. On some of the philosophy forums I frequent many people are quite unaware of just how good the WP philosophy portal is. I ran onto the portal quite by chance. What kind of efforts, if any, are being made to get the word out? Is there or should there be any effort to recruit the help of academics and scholars?

I was wondering if there is any one introductory article to Philosophy on the WP (i.e. the Project, Portal, Wikibooks, everything) for newbs like myself. I've already managed to figure out many of the basics, but it would have been a little easier and still could be for other newbs if there was a FAQ or something like it that gave an overview and answered the most common questions. The WP in general seems quite busy and confusing at first and they seem to direct you in about 20 different directions to find the information you need to get started.

For example, here are some of the basic Philosophy places on WP I've discovered that would probably help a newb to know about:

Phil. Portal - is the main entry point for Philosophy overview, searching, etc.

Phil. Wikiproject - is the main place to go if you want to help with Philosophy on the WP, if you just want to look up stuff you should go to the portal.

Phil. Wikiproject Talk pages - seems to act as the main forum for the project

Phil. categories - is basically a quick index of philosophy areas, subjects, topics

The main Philosophy WP article - appears to be the primary starting point article that all other philosophy articles branch off of.


These are some questions I think most newbs that want to hang around might have:

Is any one person or group(s) in charge, who?

Who are the philosophy administrators, if there are any?

Is anyone paid or employed to work on the Philos. project?

How do I begin helping?

What are some easy things that almost anyone can do to get started?

I think I can best help by doing X, is that ok or should I really be working the task/todo lists?

Is there a Philosophy help desk or where can I turn to for help?

Should I turn to the general forums for help or is there one primary forum that I can ask questions specific to the Philos. project?


I suspect it might be tempting to tell newbs just to read something like the Project's talk page archives and that will tell them what they need to know no doubt. Some newbs, who might have turned out to be very helpful and productive, might be discouraged by such a suggestion. The higher you set the bar the less likely you may be to get the help of busy academics and scholars. If the entry learning curve is too steep, some very knowledgeable and potentially helpful people might decide its not worth the effort. That's the primary reason I think it might be a good idea to have a single simple, concise document that tells people all the basics they need to know to begin helping. I know this information is already available, but you have to look in several different places if you even know where to look.

So, in a nutshell, does such a document already exist, if so where is it and should it be moved top, front and center of the Philos. Wikiproject page?

These are just questions and suggestions that I hope will be helpful.

Thanks, --Jim 02:19, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. Organization is mostly ad-hoc. Nobody is really in charge (especially not me), but people who make lots of good contributions get more respect. If you DO want to look at a FAQ page, I think the general Wikipedia Help (over in the navigation bar) should, well, help with questions about how Wikipedia works in general. I think philosophy is in the process of becoming organized as we speak. Anybody can help by doing things like proof-reading (easiest), doing to-do things, contributing to pages they know something about or starting good new pages (most effort--in my opinion, anyway).
If you think you can help best by doing X, go for it. If you're worried about reaction to it, suggest the change on the article's or philosophy project discussion page first, wait a day or 2, and then do it. But whichever way you go, be prepared for criticism, which will hopefully be constructive. I'm sure other people can help with more specifics about things in philosophy that are getting organized... I tend to just plunge in and learn by making mistakes. WhiteC 04:44, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

We made it to the Main Page!!!

The new browsebar from the Philosophy Portal got placed on Wikipedia's Main Page (!!!), but some POV'er removed Art and Philosophy from it. He cited the discussion on Template talk:MainPageIntro#portal:art and portal:philosophy. However, that discussion was tied 2 to 2. Please go there and support Art and Philosophy. Art packs a lot of punch for being only 3 letters, while Philosophy is on the same level as Science, both of which rank above Mathematics on the hierarchy of fields. But we're almost there! See ya at that discussion! Go for it! 08:20, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Improvement drive

Meditation is currently nominated on WP:IDRIVE. If you want to see it improved and could help us bring it up to featured standard, please vote for it here! --Fenice 08:59, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Missing article

What about an article like Philosophizing ? In german language it's already existing, see de:Philosophieren. -- Amtiss, SNAFU ? 19:55, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Would our equivalent be the stub Philosophical analysis? Banno 03:33, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Proofreading and editing the project page

I find the phrasing of recent edits to this page, together with the structure involved, quite problematic. I have refrained from comment in the hope that some one else would raise the subject, but no one has. Talk of Honours, Duties, Recognition and Requirements are, it seems to me, profoundly against the spirit of the Wiki. Am I alone in thinking that the tone of this page has become too strong? Banno 08:12, 4 January 2006 (UTC) See also Template:Philosophy. We do not set standards - although we can make recommendations. The project does not own the philosophy pages! Banno 08:16, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Yep, you were right, upon rereading it, it did sound a bit authoritative for a WikiProject. And a little misleading. So I gave it a quick once over, changing "requirements" to "guidelines", "duties" to "tasks", "honors and recognition" to "award", etc. It reads a bit more casual now. Thanks for proofreading, it really needed it! Go for it! 22:14, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Publicity for an RFA

I hope that the Philosophy Project participants have an interest that one of their own might have admin powers. You are invited to cast your vote at WP:RFA on Banno's candidacy. --Ancheta Wis 02:39, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Stable versions#Certification gang

would you like to create certified articles in philosophy? -- Zondor 03:28, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Please define "certified" -- Go for it! 22:16, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of Category: Contemporary philosophers

The Category:Contemporary philosophers was deleted due to this vote. Only four people voted, none of whom (in my opinion) really had a grasp of what they were doing. I think that we should nominate the category for undeletion. — goethean ॐ 15:55, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I have nominated the category for undeletion. Please vote! — goethean ॐ 16:51, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Disquotationalism

I've added a redirect from Disquotationalism to Redundancy theory of truth, which looks the same to me. But if I've missed some subtlety (I'm not a philosopher) please let me know. --Trovatore 22:52, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

They are not, on my understanding, quite identical, there being some redundancy theorists who are not distquotationalist... but I think the re-direct is fine. Banno 23:22, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
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