Talk:Motherfucker
Rather than a "see also", probably should just be a redirect. Also, isn't it usually a compound word (motherfucker)? Hmm, that appears to be a redirect to incest which doesn't match the common use of the word at all. --Brion 21:43 Jan 10, 2003 (UTC)
Just redirect it to fuck and mention that this is often used in the same context. -- Modemac
Merriam-Webster dates this term to 1952. This is significantly past the period of time implied by the article's notion that the term came about as a result of slave owners raping slave women. Is there any actual source for this information? --Michael 05:37 8 Jun 2003 (UTC)
- I don't know anything about the supposed origin of the term in slavery, but it certainly predates 1952 (although perhaps not in print). One anecdotal example was found by a friend who was researching old New Orleans police records concerning bars where music was played. Something along the line of in the late 1910s a man brought to court for stabbing someone told the judge that he had to stab the other guy, because of what the other guy had called him. The judge asked "what did he call you?" "He called me a motherf-----". --Infrogmation 16:06 8 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Moved:
- Although often thought to relate to the widely condemned biological and cultural incest taboo, its origins are to be found in North American slavery. Here the sexual abuse of enslaved women often led to pregnancy. However the offspring were often enslaved like their mothers. Rather than refer to the man who impregnated their mother as father, the term motherfucker was often prefered. Similar grammatical forms are found in other african-english expressions such as babymother and babyfather.
I agree with Michael here. It's not the age of the term that's the problem, (as has been said, "Oedipus was the first motherfucker" <g>)it's this supposed derivation of it that's highly unlikely when you think about it. I'd like to see a source before it's put back. - Hephaestos
The song you quote from the Bloodhound Gang is actually a parody of a Prodigy song. wouldnt it be mroe apropriate to use the line from the original song? Vroman 23:41 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Great article, the grammer sings. --ShaunMacPherson 05:11, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
The quote from the Bloodhound Gang seems a bit out of place. Scores of people have used the word to refer to just about anything under the sun, long before the members of that band were born. A more legitimate cultural reference would be better.
Could someone edit in how the term "Mofo" came into being? I don't see how theres an 'O' after the 'F', when F!@#ers second letter is 'U'.