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VOTE!! - HDI in country infobox/template?

The Human Development Index (HDI) is a standard UN measure/rank of how developed a country is or is not. It is a composite index based on GDP per capita (PPP), literacy, life expectancy, and school enrollment. However, as it is a composite index/rank, some may challenge its usefulness or applicability as information.

Thus, the following question is put to a vote:

Should any, some, or all of the following be included in the Wikipedia country infobox/template:

(1) Human Development Index (HDI) for applicable countries, with year;
(2) Rank of country’s HDI;
(3) Category of country’s HDI (high, medium, or low)?

YES / NO / UNDECIDED/ABSTAIN - vote here

Thanks!

E Pluribus Anthony 01:52, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]


EU average

EU average is 0,907 if it interests anyone. Alensha 18:57, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see it in the HDI report (though I might've missed it). Where's this from? E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 18:59, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
From adding the scores of the member states and dividing it by 25. Though it might be not the best way to find it out. Alensha 20:05, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I figured that. Original research notwithstanding, I think a better way to determine a figure for the EU would probably involve collating similar data for the EU countries in toto (total GDP per capita PPP, etc.) and plugging that data into the HDI equations. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 20:15, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
oops, I didn't think it counted as original research, it was simple mathematics :) anyway, I suspected this might be not the perfect result, that's why I wrote it on the talk page, not in the article. :) Alensha 22:18, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No problem! I might've done the same and, just for curiosity, might proceed as suggested above. And if it helps any, I recall seeing a paper somewhere that applied and analysed HDI criteria to Canadian provinces and territories. I'll get back to you shortly.  :) E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 22:35, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Font tags

Why are they allowed to live? Anyone would mind if I remove them? /Grillo 01:55, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

China, etc.

Re: this mass revert of my edits

"Countries – specifically, UN member states – fall into three broad categories based on their HDI" vs. "Countries—almost all the UN member states and a couple of special territories—fall into three broad categories based on their HDI"

Not all those on this list are UN member states: Hong Kong, Palestine, and the Vatican are not. There are member states that are not given HDI's.

"Taiwan" vs. "Republic of China|Taiwan, Province of China"

This is a UN list, so let's stick to UN terminology just like how an Olympic medalist list will use "Chinese Taipei". None of Wikipedia's lists have "Taiwan" on its own (it's usually some variation that mentions "Republic of China") because Kinmen and Matsu are part of Fujian, not Taiwan province (like Penghu), or part of Taiwan island (like Taipei and Kaohsiung). And im not the one enforcing these rules!

"For UN purposes, data for China does not include the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (SAR) (with a unique HDI entry), Macau (SAR), or Taiwan." vs. "The figure for "China" consists of only the data for mainland China and does not include Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan."

What do you mean by "for UN purposes"? This phrasing is imprecise and confusing. Is this true for everything the UN publishes? The answer to this question is not relevant here. We only need to state what is relevant, no more and no less. For those needing to consult this footnote at all, they are going to want to find out whether the data includes HK, MO, or TW, knowing that HK, MO, TW may or may not be included in the figure due to their political status. Whether these are SARs or renegade provinces is not really relevant, because for this note to be useful, we only need to know that these territories are "possibly or somewhat part of China". And why spell out "Hong Kong Special Administrative Region" in full but leave "Taiwan, Province of China" abbreviated?

"The HDI report does not include data for "Taiwan, Province of China" (territories governed by the Republic of China), which the UN does not recognise." vs. "The HDI Report released by the UN does not include data for "Taiwan, Province of China" (the term used by the UN to refer to the territories governed by the Republic of China, which the UN does not recognize as a state)."

Please read the former option more closely. It is trying to assert that the UN does not recognize "Taiwan, Province of China". If the UN did not recognize it, then why did it bother stating in its report that it does not have a HDI for "Taiwan, Province of China"? What the UN does not recognize is the "Republic of China", not "Taiwan, Province of China". We want to be also clear here that "Taiwan, Province of China" is UN terminology and not Wikipedia terminology and that by "recognize" we mean "recognize as a state". In addition, please follow the MoS and use "ize" endings for UN-related topics: Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(spelling)#British_English_with_-ize_.28Oxford_spelling.29.

The see also section is redundant with Template:Lists of countries and is not needed.--Jiang 12:35, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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