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Somebody reverted this to Minoan Civilization-unless we are gonna start calling the Germany page, German Civilization-we might as well call this Minoa-since the Minoan Civilization was based in Minoa.

Andre is right, of course. Minoa is not the common name for the location of Minoan civilization (I'm not happy about Hitti either, and that's a culture I know a bit more about). What is the basis for calling it Minoa? If there is none, I will revert this back. Danny

Minoa is the common name of the Kingdom of Minoa. Minoan is heard when one refers to Minoan artifacts, Minoan technology, Minoan religion, or the like, but Minoa is the place.

Links to websites that use Minoa

Remember...Americans come from America not from American... Lir 18:35 Nov 5, 2002 (UTC)

I've started reading Toynbee's A Study of History, and he mentions the "Minoan Civilization" or "Minoan Society" as a progenitor of the "Hellenic Civilization". I can see the use of separating a Minoa article from a Minoan Civilization article. --Ed Poor 21:39 Nov 5, 2002 (UTC)

Actually, I just looked through the links. I am going to take the bold step of asserting that the name of a hotel or a town in upstate New York or a computer game or a new age novel do not constitute solid historical proof. The one site, www.educationplanet.com turned up a blank search for Minoa. Other sites referred to another island, Minoas, which is off the coast of Amorgos. So much for the Internet as a primary source. To the best of my memory (and its been several years since I studied this) Minoan civilization is named for the legendary King Minos. The excavations were at Knossos. Minoa, even if it exists as a term, is so little used. We should be describing a culture, not a place. If there is no real grounds for thsi to be Minoa, I will revert it. Danny

I don't know enough of the subject to say if the page should be moved back (though I do know that "Minoan" returns four times as many hits on Google as "Minoa", so it seems more than reasonable). However, if you do make the move, can you make sure that all the redirects pointing here are changed so they point to this page's new location. I just changed them all to point here earlier today - when the page was moved, all the redirects were broken, because they became double redirects, which the software doesn't handle. --Camembert

And I thought it would be easy ... :-) Will do. Danny


WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU! MINOAN...MINOA....MINOAN....MINOA---DO YOU SEE WHAT THE N IS USED FOR? MINOAN IS AN ADJECTIVE! WHAT IS MINOAN? MINOA IS MINOAN!

I think what's wrong with me is that I have actually studied this and you have not. None of the websites you gave showed any indication that you are correct--unless, of course, we are citing computer games as proof of history. Staying in the Mediterranean littoral, are you planning on changing all the Etruscan articles to Ertusca next? Danny

That's a good idea-thanks danny Lir 18:24 Nov 6, 2002 (UTC)

In any case Minoan is an adjective from Minos, not from Minoa. Minos is Minoan by definition but he lived on the island of Crete so he is also Cretan. There are several places in the article which use the adjective Minoan when the adjective Cretan should be used instead, particularly for pre-Minoan times. -- Derek Ross

Minoa is clearly a back-formation from Minoan, and I don't think anyone in the field uses it. A reference to a book might help; all the books I have seen refer to the land of the Minoans as Crete. Meanwhile, I'm reverting it. --Josh Grosse

Just checked with the senior archeologist, where I work. No one uses Minoa. As Derek pointed out, Minoan comes from Minos, not Minoa. Danny

If nobody uses Minoa why is there a list of Minoa links above there? Your senior archeologist is clearly mistaken. Now, if you'd like to call the kingdom Minos, that will be acceptable. Minoa is more commonly used to indiciate , "Kingdom of Minos" but Minoan is an adjective or a person from Minoa/Minos-not the name of a place. Minoan civilization is not in line with the other national/historical page names and simply avoids the question of, "What is the name of the kingdom" I will gladly accept Minos, Crete could be used as well but of course that causes confusion between modern Crete and ancient Crete so thus Minoa does seem more appropriate. Likewise, Minos is not appropriate as Minos was the King of Minoa for which Minoa was named. For instannce

ALEXANDER....ALEXANDRIA SEE HOW IT WORKS A its an A people

MINOS....MINOA

MORE LINKS ABOUT MINOA

http://www.ancientcash.com/page-2/greektime.html athens captures minoa http://www.dilos.com/region/pelopon/tolon.html it was decided that the under construction town would be named Minoa and all the Cretan fighters scattered in the Kingdom were invited to come and live ... http://people.clemson.edu/~elizab/websites.html htm Good info on royal tombs of New Kingdom period, many ... http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~frr/MINOA/MINOA.HTM "Barbarians and Bureaucrats": Minoans, Myceneans http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dome/6423/Valoria.html declined through the 510s onward, its golden age lasting less than a century… …Antran of Minoc's declaration of the independent Kingdom of Minoa in 533 AB ... http://www.sarissa.org/europe.html reaches Crete (c. 1450 BC) • Mycenaeans adopt Linear A from Minoa, which evolves to ... 327 BC - 304 BC ) • Lydia absorbed into the Seleucid kingdom (323 BC). ... http://artho.com/age/old199.html son of Aegus King of Athens, and have volunteered to go to Minoa. ... The http://www.plantagenettours.com/2003/sicily.html detour to see Eraclea Minoa with a name that recalls Hercules and King Minos who came here with a navy to find Daedalus who had fled Minos' kingdom of Crete. ... http://community-2.webtv.net/NUBIANEM/CHARTOFBLACK/page3.html ille Civilizations (3000 BC to 1400 AD) Oni or Priest-King from Ife Kingdom. ... The first people to begin civilization in Minoa were also Black Egyptians as many ... http://www.ku.edu/history/VL/methods/timelines.html Assyria; Mitanni; Egypt; China; Hittites; Phoenicia; Israel; Phrygia; Etruria; Minoa; Mycenae; ... Chronology of the Qin. India: The Indus Valley: The kingdom of Indraprastha; ... http://members.tripod.com/hedrool/list-of-books.htm A) section 1, sign 1. It is used on Anatolian and Hittite seals of the kings of the middle kingdom and the early new kingdom.. ... Scripta Minoa, (Oxford 1909-1952 ... http://www.kronia.com/journals/biovel.txt search within this site in Egypt, India, Assyria, Akkadia, Chaldea, Medea, Minoa, Sumeria, Judea ...

By comparison with Alexandros (which is what he was called in Greek), we would have a people called the Minians from a city or country called Minia. Obviously, we don't. Minoan isn't even an ancient term, it's one coined by modern scholars, and they happen to describe the land of the Minoans as Crete. Sure, it might make sense to call it Minoa, but that's not how demonyms work. It doesn't make any sense that the Canadians are from Canada, the Norwegians from Norway, the Novocastrians from Newcastle or the Dutch from the Netherlands, but they are.

As for the web links, well, all that shows is it's an easy mistake to make. Assuming most of those are actually using Minoa to mean ancient Crete - some random samples were talking about other things completely. Find something in an authoritative source, or at least a book, and then you might have a case.

The fact that some of my web articles are not particularly informative does not rule out that most of them are quite clearly talking about the Kingdom of Minoa, located on what is now Crete.

The fact that Alexandros' city was named Alexandria is quite in line with Minos' city being named Minoa. Minoia, of course, loses the unnecessary i as it is following an o, rather than a r.

Minoan is not an ancient term. It's one coined by modern scholars, to refer to something that is of Minoa. It is easy to see that an American comes from America and a Iowan comes from Iowa.

It does make sense that Canadians are from Canada and Albanians are from Albania. As you don't understand this, seemingly, obvious difference between Minoa and Minoan I am confused how you justify your argument that Minoans are not from Minoa.

It doesn't just make sense to say that Minoans are from Minoa but its also very clearly correct. Just as Egypt is where Egyptians come from and Mexico is where Mexicans' come from, do the Minoans come from Minoa. Lir 22:09 Nov 6, 2002 (UTC)

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