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Universism

This page has been deleted before: see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Universism, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Universism 2, and the speedily-terminated Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Universism (3rd nomination). However, Deletion Review has opted now to undelete this article and send it back for reconsideration. Important information is available to editors of this debate a the follow link to the Deletion Review debate. I abstain. -Splashtalk 03:06, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per national media coverage. I just saw a segment on it on CNN today, which means people are probably going to look for information about it here on Wikipedia. Turnstep 03:58, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Two appearances is US News and World Report, the front page of the LA Times, a mention in a New York Times op-ed piece and at least one (perhaps now two) appearances on CNN all add up to notability. I don't know if it's due to this group promoting itself or what, but it seems it has come quite a way since their first (clearly premature) article and its VFD over a year ago. I would dismiss any one of those media mentions on its own, but they've got enough coverage that I'm certain people will search for this. That being said, keep on eye on it for POV and third party verifiability and the like. -R. fiend 04:13, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and watch per R. fiend -- the existing article needs work already. bikeable (talk) 04:24, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral When becomes something new wikipediable? The earlier deletes were justified as far as I am concerned, but this is a growing organisation thatis gaining traction. --KimvdLinde 04:26, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Since the last time this article was deleted as non-notable, the subject has simply accumulated a few more passing mentions in the media. I see no evidence the group/"movement" has become more notable for any intrinsic reason beyond these media mentions. As I said in the deletion review discussion, I don't see the additional information (at least what was provided in DRV) as terribly substantial, or as providing the verifiable and neutral information that we would need to create a neutral article. I concur that this will need close watching for NPOV (and the linkspamming that was common with earlier versions) if kept. -- Rbellin|Talk 05:02, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The growing amount of verifiable material now gets it over the line for mine. Capitalistroadster 06:20, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Rbellin. There's a difference between serious news media coverage and some smirky feature pieces; quality vs. quantity, as it were. Universism has gotten a few numbers, but only one can be considered even arguably serious. --Aaron 07:17, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. If something is noteable enough for the front page of the LA Times, it's more than noteable for Wikipedia. NoIdeaNick 08:59, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. BBC, NYT, LA Times, CNN feel this is worthy of coverage; that's enough. Suggest improving the references to those particular instances of coverage, however, as a priority to making the article keepable; date, time, perhaps brief excerpts or summary of content. -ikkyu2 (talk) 09:28, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, notable. --Terence Ong 10:31, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The media references are passing mentions and do not indicate that it is "a worldwide religious movement" with any substantial number of adherents. If we are going to be impressed by a mention in U. S. News, we should note that according to that article, the Universist organization in Birmingham, Alabama—where the group was founded—is small enough to meet in a coffee shop. Their website does not indicate a street address or a telephone number, and I haven't been able to find any indications that they have one. With regard to the claim that there are 7000 "registered" Universists, the website says [1] "a number based upon people who have submitted a statement to Vox’s website agreeing with Universist principles and asserting that he or she is an Universist." It would be interesting to have a count of the number of people who have physically attended a Universist meeting of any kind. Dpbsmith (talk) 14:42, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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