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Judaism WikiProject

Hi JFW, as I said I'm still pretty new to all this so not quite sure what a WikiProject is - looked as some existing ones on other religions and it seems to be a page dedicated to conventions and plans to develop that part of Wikipedia. In this case, I'm all for it and a sense of more precise direction will do the articles good. Although, because I'm not completely familiar with the wiki format, I'd probably only have suggestions as to what directions the articles should be developed in, new articles etc. and not style conventions. But yeah, if you do set up a draft then I'll be happy to come up with some ideas as to how to develop the articles. Frikle 06:01, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)


Judaism articles

Hi, you mentioned that I should get my previous anonymous contributions credited to my account. Do you know how to do this? Since I've got a weird roaming IP address, there's a few of those contributions floating around and I haven't been able to find out if it's possible to do it. Also, with lifnei iver, I don't think it will lead to a huge proliferation of articles on individual mitzvot as of the 613 it's only a few that are rich sources of laws beyond their "literal" applications, lifenei iver being one of them. So, I think it is possible to do a few other major ones without crowding Wikipedia. Finally, the triplicate description of tractates has been removed and the individual pages of each Seder have them leaving the Mishnah and Talmud page with space for other topics. Frikle 12:10, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Hi Jfdwolff - I'm pretty new to Wikipedia so I guess I got pretty excited about it all and put a bit too much detail into some contributions. But I still think it can go into quite substantial detail. As to Judaism articles, that sounds great, I've added abstracts of tractates in the Mishna article and made separate article starts for the orders. Also seeing Rosh Hashanah (Talmud) and Taanit have their own page I started one on Avodah Zarah although if you you thought that other one was too detailed wait till you see that one! But I think since some tractates have their own pages it would be good to have at least the major ones with their own pages. So, some heavy editing is welcome and if you have any ideas about Judaism articles to be touched up/expanded, tell me. Thanks, Frikle 10:17, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)

CAM boxes

Here it is. Our Article Series Box that does not even look like a box. Template:CamTiny

Replace {{CamBottom}} with {{CamTiny}}.

I want to make sure that you have seen this post. -- John Gohde 16:06, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)


I feel like our articles developed something like a foot fungus. Maybe someone makes a spray for these? You're the administrator-- do something before they spread. Alteripse 17:14, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

The mycosis pedis lesion on the plantar aspect of Disease doesn't look very "tiny". Can we expect it to spread to all other diseases? Some damfool has an alternative treatment to virtually anything, but I might quit editing -- or else start pushing to quarantine the vector-- if they spread to the articles I'm working on. How do the other members of the mess feel about this?

Also, user:Prisonblues did some nice additions to leptin; I invited him to drop by the mess. Alteripse 00:25, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Re clinical depression - I got rid of it and commented that if he/she wants complementary medicine mentioned in the article then they should put a section header and relate comp meds directly to the article. Sticking such a vague, open set of links down there... I can't see the benefit.
Done. The phases of the CAM project have been clearly laid out. First, we identify. Next, we label. And, finally we take over. It called making a smooth transition. -- John Gohde 16:58, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The branches link takes you to a list which includes cognitive behaviour therapy, but it's down a long list which includes 100s of other items - including coin rubbing (holds head in hands) .
Essentially, if someone wants to spread the word about complementary therapy well, frankly, don't be so bloomin' lazy! ;o)
More seriously though, as a member of a family that suffers with profound mental ill health some of these "medicines" make me rather angry. Or rather the fees for them do. --bodnotbod 14:37, Jun 2, 2004 (UTC)
Why is there a backout of virtually all coverage of preventative medicine from a conventional medicine perspective? Will the CAM project be the first group to make the connection public from an alternative point of view? -- John Gohde 17:05, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

There is now two options. You can either display it on the very top of the article as a category (Alternative medicine) or on the very bottom of the page. Clicking on either will provide the explanation. {{CamTiny}} now works completely like text, because it is text.

It is your choice: Categories on top or See other on bottom. -- John Gohde 20:28, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I'd like to propose a third option for the real medicine articles: an even tinier label, Template:Certified CAM free. Alteripse 22:16, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

From the rubosis of the link I gather this was glosso in maxilla. JFW | T@lk 22:32, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Depends on how annoyed I get at the CAM vector. Keep reminding me to keep a sense of humor.Alteripse 22:35, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

One tries... JFW | T@lk 22:38, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

He's put in the section now. Well, I asked for it. Now I have to pick it apart. Not up to it now. Too busy smoking. --bodnotbod 23:47, Jun 2, 2004 (UTC)
I've made my edits to the comp.med and alt.med parts of Clinical depression - please have a look at Talk:Clinical depression, I'd appreciate your input. --bodnotbod 14:22, Jun 3, 2004 (UTC)
This attack against {{CamBottom}} is total nonsense, as you very well know. {{CamBottom}} is an ASB.
  1. The WikiProject on Medicine's ASB is absolutely huge.
  2. The WikiProject on Medicine's ASB violates the every WikiProject has to chose and use its own color rule.
  3. The WikiProject on Medicine's ASB pushes a POV, just as much as our ASBs do.
  4. Everywhere we have actually bothered to state our views, our ASBs etc. have been deleted / vandalized. Everywhere where we have wasted time doing what you people have asked for our ASBs etc. have been deleted / vandalized.
-- John Gohde 14:29, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Talmud and Orthodox Judaism

Hi Dr Wolff,

First, I must compliment you on your editing skills; you have “a great eye”.

As regards the articles on Judaism, I have some thoughts:

  • Once this is complete, “editorial” responsibility could be distributed for each category. I imagine that there might be some wiki protocol or precedent relating to this.
  • In general, and by editor, “POV stuff “can be treated via an inclusion in each article of the sort: The Talmud in modern day Judaism. Similar treatment could be applied to parochial external links.
  • “The list” might also serve as a basis for standardization in spelling and terminology.
  • Do you suppose that the content of the wiki articles could be (ought to be) “validated” against outside sources, for example the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia?

Fintor | talk

  • Congratulations on the "de-poving"; I saw that myself but hesitated to act...
  • "Jewish glossary" is a great idea; I will set to work and message as it progresses.

Fintor   |   talk, June 3 20:49 UTC

Categories for Judaism

Take a look at the "categories" for Jewish texts, such as Talmud and Torah, someone has decided it belongs under "Jewish MYTHOLOGY"???? Can we do something about it soon please!

OBJECTION!!!

I OBJECT most strongly to placing the classical Jewish texts under the category "Jewish Mythology". "Category:Jewish mythology" and the Subcategories being "Category:Jewish texts" And then God becomes ARBITRARILY part of "mythology"! Perhaps Midrash could go with it, BUT not these others. I vote that the titles be REVERSED and that "Jewish mythology" become a Subtext of Jewish texts. I plan to take this to arbitration!IZAK 12:30, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)

And I thought the CAM categorization on the medical articles was a problem.  ;-) Kd4ttc 16:18, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Hi, re your message, how narrow the categories?

Hi JF, You say that you have sent me personal messages in my Talk section, but I do not see anything new from you?

I do not agree with your narrow view of the categories as the Mussar Movement or the Torah Im Derech Eretz movement were powered by Rabbis and by the Jewish Texts they taught, it was all one in essence: "Yisroel, Ve'oraisa, VeKudsha Brich Hu - Chad Hu" : "Israel (the people), and the Torah and God are ONE", is what I was always taught, how about you? Similarly for "Jewish texts" it's the Rabbis who teach them and keep them vitally alive. The Torah and the Talmud do not exist in a vacuuum but in a symbiotic relationship with their teachers (usually the rabbis) and their students who are the Jewish people) that practice Judaism, which ties it all together. After all, I am not connecting the subjects with astro-physics or unrelated categories. I suppose it's a different perspective. IZAK 09:36, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

See my reply...on my Talk page IZAK 10:55, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Attributing edits

Hi! I've already logged in. Now I would like to know how my contributions from my old number can be switched to my new username, Marcus2. --65.73.0.137

OK, I've added my request. Now, how long would I have to wait before my old contributions are switched from 65.73.0.137 to Marcus2? --Marcus2 (65.73.0.137)
I was going to hold my vote till he accepted, but ... why wait<G>. More level head sshould make for a better Wikipedia. - Nunh-huh 20:35, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Admin nomination

Thank you for the kind words and (admittedly rather unexpected) nomination at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship. It was very nice of you to put my name forth for consideration, and I've humbly accepted. --Diberri | Talk 22:24, Jun 8, 2004 (UTC)

Jewish mysticism

JFD, I agree with your position on this issue. See my added comments on Category talk:Jewish mysticism. IZAK 09:40, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion regarding "Jewish mythology"

JFW: Take a look at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion where the issue of "deleting" Category:Jewish mythology is being "discussed". I conveyed the comments from the "Category:Jewish mysticism" talk page to the deletion page so that they get some more input on some of the core issues involved. Feel free to add more comments on the deletion page as you see fit. IZAK 05:56, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Cross-catgegorization

In answer to your comment on my talk page, if it can be kept clear in the writing of it that the article is primarily about how believers in Islam understand Allah, then it is less likely that a series of one-contribution contributors will insert categories that do not lead readers in productive directions. 金 (Kim)

Recent messages

Hi JFW: Please see my comments/responses at Category:Jewish rituals and also on User talk:Frikle. I cannot understand why you want to "clip his wings" when he (Frikle) wants to add good articles. Also your comments about Jewpedia make no sense as it is not even off the ground yet. Will you be involved with it, and will it automatically store Jewish themed articles from Wikipedia?IZAK 02:53, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Detailed articles and other views of Judaism

JFW: Thanks for your responses. I still think that there should be absolutely no limits on (Jewish) articles, (and you should not jump down people's throats if it appears they want to contribute, as we need all the help we can get in the Jewish areas on Wikipedea). As for getting the non-Orthodox's reactions and "misquotes" I agree with you, but since when is that a problem, as once an article grows a little, one can simply divide the sections between the "Orthodox view", "Reform view" etc, or they can eventually be disabiguated or even satnd on their own as independent articles eventually. Also I fined it odd that this concerns you as you seem to feel its perfectly fine to have a CHRISTIAN view on the Shema Yisrael and you even combined it with the Jewish view after I had spent time dividing them via a perfectly legitimate disambiguation page which gave the reader two options: One Jewish and one Christian. What was wrong with that? After all don't you think that the Shema which stresses God's UNITY should most definitely be "disambiguated" from a Christian's "Trinitarian" viewpoint since they believe in the "Father, the son and the holy host", something which runs counter to the Shema's entire premise?? So if I were you I wouldn't be so concerned about "what on Earth will the 'liberal' Jews say next", as ways will be found to deal with them, or we can always count on you to stop disambiguations and just make us all into "one big happy WIKIPEDIA family". Also, I am presently unable to do more than I am doing on Wikipedia, as at the moment I have some time for it but I would like to be doing some other things soon (like writing some Torah down, which will have to wait for now.) I am rather puzzled though by what excactly Jewpedia is all about? Best wishes. IZAK 02:16, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

More on above...

JFW: Hi again, what "Jewish" Wiki project do you have in mind? As for the Shema Yisrael article, I was NOT worried about Christians who might read it as there are about two billion of them and if they lose a few to Judaism it's like taking water out of the oceans. It's the unsuspecting curious Jews I was worried about who would gain a wrong impression about Judaism, and who knows, may ask a Christian for guidance which is what happens all too often in our age. This in fact is a major flaw in Wiki in most of its Biblical articles taken from that wretched old encyclopedia they used to launch the articles in the year "zero". All the best. IZAK 10:15, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

too many cats

hey dude, how's your daughter? (sorry I can genuinely only remember Myrtle but I know that's not her name). anyway I'm a bit anxious about Category:Mu-opioid agonists... most drugs in this category also have kappa and delta activity... it all gets a bit of a mess ... do we mean pure mu agonists, weak mu agonists etc etc. me thinking just keep it simple. this must be a generic issue accross many classes. food for thought. Erich 00:11, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)

IBS

Doc, what is wrong with having some commercial links in the IBS article if they supply some additional information? Does Wikipedia have a policy against this? I supplied one of the links in question in the hope that it might be helpful to someone who was suffering. H2O 04:10, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the feedback. I share your dislike of people placing spam-like links. I have also deleted links that I thought were questionable. I also agree that the mfg site is biased toward their product, and will try to make that bias more evident in the future by using a format similar to what you described if I can't find an unbiased page to use. H2O 12:20, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)
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