Talk:San Antonio/Archive 2

Origin of the name?

The article mentions that San Antonio was named after St.Anthony the Great. Is that true? I always thought that it was named after St.Anthony of Padua... --thomasgraz 16:39, 2 October 2005 (UTC)' I thought the city was named after Saint Antonio--Andrewcool 08:29, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Miscellaneous

About half way down the page, under the "People and culture" section, it is says that Karl Rove lives (or owns a home) in The Dominion. I belive this to be incorrect. I did not remove the statement because I am not 100%, but encourage the author to double check his/her inforamtion. 24.173.63.215 01 Nov 2005

San Antonio metro is almost 2 million, wow this city has grown. — 208.188.153.193 16 Dec 2004

Still a great place to live! — 64.213.156.2 8 Mar 2005

The avg income for san antionio doesn't sound right.--Andrewcool 02:41, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

When discussing the services in downtown San Antonio it might be helpful to mention the Alamo City Amigos that assist visitors to the city. It is funded by a property tax for a downtown development district. There are 3 areas involved in the program. They are the Ambassadors who assist visitors in finding their way around downtown, the Maintenance who sweep and power-wash the sidewalks, empty trash cans, do graffiti abatement and weed removal from adjacent areas, and the Streetscapers who care for more than 600 plants in the area. There is an operation center that contacts the police or fire department in case of emergency in the zone, advises the city about problems with infrastructure and maintains a log of the daily requests and assists visitors that drop by the office. The program was started on January 26,2000. There are currently 36 employees on the Amigo staff. The governing board is Centro San Antonio.

Images

I'm afraid most of the images on this page do not have licensing compatible with Wikipedia. Please see this Signpost article for further explanation. Kaldari 7 July 2005 00:08 (UTC)

Im in the process of contacting the copyright holder of those images to gain the necessary permission.--Zereshk 22:03, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

• If that is the case, we should wait unitl Zereshk heres form the source on way or another. -JCarriker 22:09, July 9, 2005 (UTC)

Just give me a couple of days. I should be hearing from them one way or the other.--Zereshk 22:32, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

OK. They will only allow it for non-commercial purposes.--Zereshk 23:22, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

That means they have to be deleted - see Signpost article. Sorry - I know you've worked hard on this article. Manning 02:07, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

What subject matter did we lose? The only one I saw deleted from the main article was the Riverwalk at Christmas. I'm in SA, and have a digital camera, and could easily run around downtown some afternoon snapping a few more pics. I'm no professional, and so would have no qualms about dropping any pics I take into PD. I obviously can't get a shot of the Riverwalk at Christmas for a few more months, but I could get some others. What other shots of San Antonio do we need/want? TexasAndroid 18:37, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

The Riverwalk shot is the only one I personally deleted. I don't see why a shot of the Riverwalk at Christmas is specifically necessary. (It's lovely all the time anyway.) Cheers Manning 22:06, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

If you do have a digital cam and are in the SA vicinity, then you could do San Antonians a favor and take some nice pics, and put them on this page to show to the world. To get an idea of what we're looking for, see Houston for comparison.--Zereshk 09:58, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Ok. Some shots that I'm thinking would be nice include:

Rivercenter mall, from down the riverwalk a bit.

The Texas Eagle train.

One or two other shots of Brakenridge park

SBC Center exterior (for the SBC Center page)

The Torch of Friendship

La Villita

Giant Boots outside Northstar Mall

Suggestions of other nice pics are welcome (and encouraged). TexasAndroid 22:49, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Some closeup shots of downtown and the SA skyline. Things like the samples below:

File:Bayou Place Houston.JPG

File:Houston Panoramic.jpg

--Zereshk 23:39, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Ok. So a nice Skyline or two is wanted. Very well. Also, cataloging the ones we just lost from the main page:

One Image of the Tower (Don't remember exactly how it looked.)

Botanical Gandens

Colorful Riverwalk from one of the bridges

Bexar County Courthouse

Alamodome

Mission San Jose

Another of the Riverwalk (Don't remember exactly how it looked.)

TexasAndroid 19:33, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

As soon as I'm set up, I can get those pictures available by next week.Dknights411 17:06, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Took my kid to the zoo over the weekend, and snapped several shots of the Texas Eagle while there. Not sure how they'll turn out, but if they're nice enough, that one is covered. TexasAndroid 11:16, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

First Modern Art Museum of TX

Someone questioned the fact that the McNay Museum is the first Modern Art Museum in TX. See p41 of the SA Travel Guide Brochure to verify: [1]

--Zereshk 22:46, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Actually, the sentence had said that the McNay was the first art museum in Texas (it said nothing about genre). — Mateo SA | talk 16:30, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

8th largest is correct

The city of SA is now larger than Dallas. It is thus the 8th largest in US. Not 9th, making it the 2nd in TX. But the metro is #3. [2] [3] [4] --Zereshk 23:21, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I am quite aware that San Antonio is now the second-largest city within the state of Texas and eighth in the United States as of the July 1, 2003 U.S. Census estimates. I rewrote the introduction recently to reflect the official (non-estimate) 2000 U.S. Census figure. I also made a minor formatting of the article to make it look better, especially at the introduction. UH Collegian 00:14, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

I didnt delete or change your edits, just updated the population estimates to the 2004 Census Bureau figures.--Zereshk 00:23, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

One problem is that, as the page currently read, it's incorrect. It says SA was 8th according to 2000 figures. We were still 9th by the 2000 figures. Either it needs to stay saying 9th, or it needs to say correctly where the "8th" stat comes from (2004 figures). TexasAndroid 15:08, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

fixed.--Zereshk 21:29, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

If UHC continues deleting factual information from the SA page, I will place a POV tag on this page.--Nightryder84 20:09, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Opinion quibbling

Not an actual complaint, but I have to laugh with and agree with the "'the' place" remark in regards to the Bonham. --_Alex¯^Jon 05:12, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Notables section is becoming too large

I propose that the "SA notables" section be moved to an independent page on its own, inorder to both preserve its list from future trims (due to eclipsing and overshadowing of the main SA article) and to also maintain the suitable proportion for the San Antonio page. (the section is starting to overshadow the main SA article).

We can then provide a "See main article: Notables of San Antonio, Texas" link from the section on the SA page to the new page.

Agree?--Zereshk 21:35, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

No arguement from this corner. I'm all for it! Dknights411 06:17, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. I've been thinking of doing the same with the Districts section. That one is at least 25% of the text in the article. WOuld make a nice separate article. - TexasAndroid 12:34, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Micromanagement

Agreeing with the above about making separate pages, I propse that, seeing as San Antonio is growing at a pace comparable to its own wikipage, we go _THE DISTANCE_. Meaning, adding in the various neighborhoods (separated, obviously, by district), a more in-depth transportation section, cultural and historical elaboration (can/will do if necessary), and various other things of the sort. The city is 400+ sq. mi., so a page that has fewer words than some articles on flowers just won't do.

Hereby proposed:

• Transportation
  • More highway info, taking into account the current 5-year plan to take truck traffic from the interior highways, and new propsed freeways
  • A neutral elaboration on the bus system, and the unmentioned river taxi (and proposals on its expansion)
• City Districts
  • Neighborhood listings, with landmarks (main school, fire/police substations), etc
  • EXAMPLE: SNAKE HILL/GOVERNMENT HILL (District 2) - Served by SAISD (Pershing Elem., Wheatley Mid., Fox Tech High)
• Architecture
  • OBVIOUSLY, this is a VERY underwhelming part of San Antonio's wikiarticle. Many styles are in SA, from the Alamo and the Spanish Governor's Palace, to the very art deco E. Houston Street drag.

Any other ideas? Hit me up here AND in my own discussion page. TA, --_Alex¯^Jon 02:56, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I dont think you need to propose adding missing info. Just add it into the article, and we will keep enriching things as we go along. However re-adding back in the neighborhoods wasnt a good idea. It clutters up the page needlessly while there is other information still in need of being written about SA. Not to mention that it is uncourteous in ignoring the majority that voted here. Im adding in 2 or 3 pics I just took.--Zereshk 10:35, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Though i don't really have a strong opinion on the old Neighborhood data being readded, I can see the logic. It was moved to it's own article because it had become huge. It had become huge because of the copyright data that had been added. With all that copyright data removed, the section is back to a much more reasonable size. So I don't have a huge problem with it returning. The one problem I see with it's return is that we now have the exact same data in the SA article section, and in the separate SA neighborhood article. This duplication is going to cause trouble at some point down the line. - TexasAndroid 19:30, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps someone should take up the job of paraphrasing the old copyright stuff (and providing source of course) to restore the independent page's length?--Zereshk 00:02, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Y'all: I added some pics Ive been taking in the past week. This should give the article a good facelift.--Zereshk 00:02, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

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I just went biking in town today, took some photos, and uploaded them, and created 3 pages along the way:

• Bexar County Courthouse
• San Antonio Convention Center
• San Antonio Public Library

The page looks pretty beefed up now I'd say. Go Spurs! :) --Zereshk 06:51, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Districts up for deletion

As per my concerns in the Micromanagement section above, I've been concerned by having the same data in the Districts section of the San Antonio article, and in the separate Districts sub-article. To deal with this duplication, I have just now placed the sub-article up for AFD. If you have interest in the fate of this San Antonio sub-article either way, please come and join in the discussion/vote. - TexasAndroid 16:14, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Image mess up

User:D Marc has replaced the safe Image:Downtown-san-antonio.jpeg with a non-safe (unsourced) image of San Antonio Image:Saskyline.jpg, which means it will soon be deleted, and we wont have any image at all of San Antonio's cityscape.

Someone please address the problem.--Zereshk 22:08, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Revert back to the safe one and explain on edit summary. RJN 22:33, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

The NHL?!?

Somebody put up that the Pittsburgh Penguins are considering a move to San Antonio. I just want to know where did THAT come from?Dknights411 02:29, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

If not imaginary, I would guess it might be a rumor in the Pittsburgh media. That's total speculation on my part. - TexasAndroid 12:13, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

That's what I figured. Should we delete it then?Dknights411 16:14, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

I would say delete it with a comment requesting sourcing. If the originator wants to put it back in, and is able to back themselves up with sources for the information/rumor, then we have a different situation and will need to reconsider. - TexasAndroid 16:41, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Looking at it a little more, I suspect my initial evaluation was correct. Looking at the Pittsburgh Penguins page, in the next to last paragraph of the history section, it talks about the team having money problems, looking to build an arena, and lists rumored cities to which the team could move if the arena deal does not happen. The same anon who added the comment to the SA page added SA to the list of rumored cities.

I really have to wonder about even the possibility of such a move to here. Other than the AT&T center, or *maybe* the Alamodome, we do not have an arena that could handle them. The AT&T is locked up between the Spurs and Rampage. And I would be very surprised if the Alamodome was suitable. And we are so much not a hockey town, I can't imagine any sort of tax package passing to build a new arena for them. - TexasAndroid 17:34, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

I live in SA too, and do you remember what happened to the Iguanas (a very popular minor league hockey team) when the Dragons (a higher-level minor league team) came to town? The city ran the Iguanas out to make room for the Dragons. I'm pretty sure that if the Penguins (or any NHL team) really wanted to come here, the city would neatly "arrange" the exit of the Rampage to make room in the AT&T Center.Crazed actor 19:16, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Sega has HQ's here?

I tried verifying this info and couldn't find it. According to the sega site found here[5] they are based in San Francisco. Maybe the editor just got confused. Csyberblue 09:08, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

What happened to "Districts"?

Hello; I am writing because I am concerned about what happened to the former "Districts and communities" section, now known as "Zones - Districts - Communities." (To begin with, the new title is no good; it shouldn't have dashes.) I overhauled this section a couple of months ago and thought it was pretty good and accurate...now the only parts from my edit that remain somewhat intact are about China Grove, Windcrest, West Side, and East Side. Whoever redid the section threw in a bunch of TOTALLY FABRICATED NAMES like NoDo, SoSo, Midtown, Uptown, Uptown Broadway, Great Northwest, etc., including nonexistent "districts" downtown. These may be valid names in New York City, but those familiar with San Antonio never refer to parts of our city as such. In addition, there are all these one-line paragraphs that are choppy and aesthetically displeasing.

With regard to his "celebrity map," we do not need these lists of Spurs players and minor celebrities to describe the districts. I wrote "Notables of San Antonio" and then we agreed to relegate celebrities to that page because the main page was getting too listy. By the way, can anyone verify that Thomas Gibson, Jim Carrey, and Joe Horn live in San Antonio? If they do, it's news to me. And Tommy Lee Jones lives in Terrell Hills, not Alamo Heights.

If you are interested please review the "Zones - Districts - Communities" section and, if you agree with me, let's talk about changing it. Thanks.–Clpalmore 00:22, 10 Feb 2006 (UTC)

Actually, "Great Northwest" is the valid name for the neighborhood (a bunch of subdivisions) near Culebra and 1604, extending north toward the Medical Center (I used to live there). And "SoSo", or "South of Southtown," really is the name being frantically pushed (signs posted all over) by the people in that area. But you're right, no one else seems to be using it, nor are many people using "Southtown" for that matter, even though the city has given the area that official designation.Crazed actor 19:21, 3 March 2006 (UTC)