User talk:Unigolyn

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The undeletion vote on Template:User No Marxism

Hi! I see you have been using this template on your user page. In case you haven't voted yet, make sure you don't miss the vote on the issue, whether to undo its deletion or not Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Userbox_debates#User_No_Marxism. Constanz - Talk 14:18, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bad manners

Why do you insult the citizens of other countries? Imagine someone had a user box like yours on the EU and UN on Canada or Nepal. It's just bad manners. ROGNNTUDJUU! 19:58, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, read more carefully. I'm a CITIZEN of the EU. Also, the EU isn't a country, it's a political organization of which various countries are members. I have nothing against the individual countries in the EU, including my own (Estonia), but I don't like the undemocratic, elitist federation the EU is trying to become. Also, there's nothing about the United Nations on my user page.

Hello, thanks for your answer. You put it on my user page by accident, please use my talk page next time. Ok, seems you saw it yourself now. No, I did not think you were from Nepal, just used that example in order not to make people think I wanted to create some US/EU case out of this. Many users who had the symbol were from the UK by the way. I saw the Canadian flag and thought you were from there. There is a similar user box for the UN that is currently suggested for deletion. Many users have both boxes and I copied my message from one of them for you and just chose your country as an example, sorry for that. I know mass messages are not encouraged but it is a serious problem if people leave symbols on their pages others might find offensive, and the more people remove it individually the more likely it will be removed altogether. I regard it as more respectful to first talk to the people than to just get them a red link after deletion. You have all my understanding for your misgivings about the EU. I just think you should not cross an official symbol that represents a union of countries with many hundred million citizens some of whom identify with the symbol and might get offended. You can easily express your legitimate opinion with for example a red question mark to the right of the stars and a little statement what you do not like about the EU. If you just give a cross over the flag some might think you disrespect the people who live there. ROGNNTUDJUU! 22:48, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's just plain ridiculous. The European Union (or the United Nations, for that matter is NOT a country! Unless you're squatting in the bathroom of the European Parliament in Brussels, you don't live in a political body either. The very concept of free speech demands first and foremost that the citizens of any country have a right to crticize whatever ruling body governs over them, not to mention any NGOs their government belongs to. By your logic, criticism of any NGO is a faux pas because their member states have people living in them. Would you crusade against anti-NAFTA userboxes, or anti-WTO userboxes as well? Unigolyn 22:55, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You remove my criticism from your talk page because you consider it answered? You're the one going around soliciting debate, and FYI, debate doesn't work like that. You can't declare yourself correct and then erase all record of it ever taking place. Go google "The Comissar Vanishes". Unigolyn 23:00, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I answer at other users' talk pages and try to keep the discussion together. Many users keep their pages tidy I have seen - what should be wrong with it? If someone wants to check, it all remains in the history.

Of course you have the right to criticze, I just think you should not cross an official symbol of an entity representing several hundred million people. An NGO is something different because it only represents its members who chose to take part, not whole countries. I do not see the point in making disparaging remarks about NGOs though, either. If you have legitimate criticism you can express it in a respectful way. ROGNNTUDJUU! 23:11, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]