Talk:List of characters in Metal Gear Solid

Revert explained

Okay, why I reverted.

Headers - Don't use first-order headers (=Main characters=), per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (headings)#Markup. I don't know why it's that way, but it is.
Supporting/Minor characters - I understand why you might not want to classify Romanenko and Mei Ling as minor characters, so I just renamed the whole third header "Supporting characters". There's no need to break this up any more than it already is.

Anything else I forgot? - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 05:08, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Something I think that should be mentioned for Donald Anderson: He is in fact Mr. Sigint from Metal Gear Solid III. In the end of the game when the timeline is shown, it reveals that Mr. Sigint joined DARPA (sometime in the 70s). I believe there may be more that reveals they are one and the same person but I am not positive. I believe that should be added just because it is an interesting connection to Big Boss.

Sigint and Anderson being the same is theory, not fact. Wikipedia has to be encyclopedic. Also, Sigint joined ARPA in 1965; not in the 70s.

I personally think they should be separate. Although, interaction with Mei Ling and Nastasha are not mandatory to clear the game, they each have a very established backstory and support the player with info and advice, compared to Anderson and such, who are only in the game for a couple of scenes to further the plot and nothing more. Jonny2x4 13:17, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

- - If DARPA cheif and SIGINT are the same than they should be but in the recurring MGS characters page

They're peripheral to the main story being told, you say? ;D

I think any distinctions like that can be made in the characters' listing, rather than splitting this down any more than necessary. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 00:51, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, I had another idea. Why not eliminate the list entries for the minor characters, like Houseman and Anderson, and just mention them as part of a terse list in the games' entries? - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 00:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No. It's ~~perfect~~ adequate as it is right now. Jonny2x4 04:49, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I dunno...I still prefer the major characters of the games to have their own page. I mean, it's not like the List of minor Star Wars characters and its followings like List of minor Star Wars Jedi characters, where some of the characters details are kept short, and those with long paragraphs don't have the extra "chapters" within them anyhow (not really your fault, but the text size of "Gameplay" under Psycho Mantis is roughly the same size as "Sniper Wolf", which still makes things pretty convoluted). And there are still spoilers within (not just with the game's plot, but with the fate of the individual characters).

If we're to keep this though, the list of Metal Gear characters should include links to Solid Snake, Meryl, Gray Fox, and etc, at the least as well. And of course, the See Also list that is in there, should be in the other three. Also, The Boss is missing from the Metal Gear Solid 3 list. Shadowolf 10:09, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bear in mind that this is still in the process of being rewritten to cut trivia and needlessly overdetailed plot summary.

When this list is done, there will be short descriptions of the characters who have their own articles, with {{main}} links to the main articles. For example, this list will have short descriptions of Solid Snake and Grey Fox with an eye to their role in Metal Gear Solid, with a {{main}} link pointing to their main articles. I'm going to make a listing like this for Solid Snake in List of Metal Gear Solid 2 characters, shortly, to show people an example. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 11:26, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sniper Wolf's Bio

I think the line about her addiction to tranquilizers should be deleted. Unless someone can provide the proof that in canon she has an addiction that line is speculation.

Someone like her who can wait days for a target doesn't have time to deal with an addiction. Albeit the tranquilizers she takes may help her metabolism stay subdued, nowhere is it mentioned that she is addicted to them.

The line about her not being affected by FOXDIE should be edited to mention that Revolver Ocelot and Liquid Snake think the reason she isn't affected is because of the pills she takes. I'm editing that line. TotalTommyTerror 15:38, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I forget which person it is, but one of the people on the comlink mention that she's addicted to Diazepam or Pentazemin, depending on which of the two versions of the game it is. As for the second edit, though, that's fine. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 15:42, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It is mentioned by Ocelot while Snake is listening in on his conversation with Liquid (203.167.171.13 00:45, 2 February 2006 (UTC))[reply]

I have a question. Where in the game does it say that Sniper Wolf was brainwashed by the Iraqi ministry of affairs and that she was in a refugee camp in Iraq when she met Big Boss and the secretary of state? Also where does it say she was trained by a Gurkha Sniper? It just seems like Fanfic. Unless someone can proof it is canon. I'm editing it. Thank you. George Ramos

Dominant and Recessive ; Solid and Liquid

In the Liquid Snake article it is stated that he had the superior dominant genes. Excuse me for my lack of knowledge on this subject, but shouldn't Snake have the Dominant genes? He looks much more similar to Naked Snake then Liquid does, and I believe that the ending meant that although Liquid recieved Ressecive genes, he was still superior to Solid Snake. Please correct me if I am wrong on any of these subjects, as I stated before, I do not know a whole lot about any of them.--Yoshimitsu blade 04:20, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's made clear in the MGS ending, Solid Snake got the recessive, Liquid Snake got the dominant. Other than that, don't think about it too hard; it doesn't make a lot of sense if you know even a little about genetics. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:41, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Misconception. What is made clear in the MGS ending is that Liquid Snake was in fact the superior. Ocelot does not use the terms recessive or dominant. As such, it is possible (though by no means certain) that Liquid was simply mistaken about the recessive genes being flawed. Since Solid Snake displays far more similarities to Big Boss than either of his "brothers" - it does seem to make more sense to think that Solid Snake is expressing the "flawed" dominant genes - that Liquid mistakenly believes to be "superior".

The Solider Genes were not identified until after Big Boss' death after all, so it's not like the scientists knew which genes were going to be the best for what - they likely just guessed that dominant meant better, since they're the ones that Big Boss was expressing.

You are however, entirely right about it not making any sense if you know even a little bit about genetics. :D

- Uli

Octopus

Regarding the information about Decoy Octopus (originally added by 139.139.193.12) that I removed, there is nothing given anywhere in Metal Gear Solid or The Twin Snakes about Octopus having "DNA-absorption techniques". There is no cutscene in either game showing Octopus "drinking/licking Donald Anderson's blood to take on his appearance and characteristics" (which is what 139.139.193.12 listed in his edit summary). In fact, the 'real' Octopus is only seen once, and it's when he's dead. Just thought I'd post this in case anyone wondered about it. - DoubleCross 17:22, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Liquid

Liquid should go on the "recurring characters" page. His soul is in side Ocelot but he's still Liquid and does play some part in Mgs2. The Bread 04:58, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Isnt just speculation that naomi is returning to the MGS4 based solely on the poster (the blue one with snake, vamp, raiden ect.) If anybody has any proof of it tell me

Pgiii 21:16, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]